I agree with this. Make the focus on doing stuff, not on getting stuff, and the grind vanishes.
This game just isn't worth playing at the moment
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I agree with this. Make the focus on doing stuff, not on getting stuff, and the grind vanishes.
Surely better to ask they work on reducing grind** than introducing the devils teat of Pay2Win* mechanics, for eg, the new Guardian missions - whoever thought to make them repetitive grindy loops just stopped 75%*** of their players from even bothering with them.
* I hate P2W more than advertisers - and I despise them with the heat of a thousand collapsing stars.
** Make the grind fun and it becomes gameplay.
*** Numbers pulled out my shiny metal but.
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You're overreacting by far, but I do agree in general. I mean ... passenger missions are rather useless. Did 1-2 and earned nothing. it's not even fun to do them. combat missions are at least fun, mining is fun too, but any type of delivery missions, they're straight up boring and you get nothing for them.
I heard that game is suppose to become less grindy, but all I see is more grindy. I only recently started looking on forums because I'm THAT close to buying the Corvette, but all the missions are nearly impossible + I can't find a single rank-up mission anymore ....
I don't understand why developers are throwing sticks at players right now, do they want to kill their own game?
I heard that game is suppose to become less grindy, but all I see is more grindy. I only recently started looking on forums because I'm THAT close to buying the Corvette, but all the missions are nearly impossible + I can't find a single rank-up mission anymore ....
I don't understand why developers are throwing sticks at players right now, do they want to kill their own game?
Well you'd better start chowing down on those high fibre cereals then.
If the activities are fun then there is no spoon.
This ^
Example: I played Vermintide and the newly released Vermintide 2. I leveled up, I got items, I unlocked subclasses. I never "grinded" for any of it because I am having straight up fun when I play and don't think about it as a repetitive grind. Because every time you do a new match it's a different experience. There are some things you expect, but several things that can happen unexpectedly.
As mentioned before... if scanning a planet involved a minigame where you could get a better or worse result depending on how well you do it then it would feel engaging. You strive to get the best outcome and focus on that. That makes it more engaging rather than just sitting like a zombie, staring blankly at your screen while the little refresh icon keeps spinning as you scan it.
Also minigames or making activities more engaging doesn't need to be convoluted or complex. They simply need to be a) Engaging, b) Challenging, c) Have a risk of getting a poor result and a reward for doing well.
Like I said about mining in Galaxy on Fire. If you do well you get better / more stuff. If you do poorly you get little and damage your drill.
I know I would be mining more if I actually had to put some thought and skill into getting the best yields rather than putting a paperweight on my "Fire mining lazer" button and stare blankly at the screen like a zombie while limpets float around outside my ship.
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In the spirit of "gameplay is its own reward" I fully agree.
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I am firmly in the saving up for stuff IS a large part of the fun in a game... looking at that <next big shiny it does not matter what it is> and knowing it is probably 50hrs away, but that is the goal.
I love games which offer that, and this is why i thought ED was great at launch and better than now in many ways.
ED still has it, but only if you deliberately play unoptimally.... but then i like trying to find the most optimal way to do things as well, which is why it is important to me that games have robust rules and economies etc. ED falls down for me here.
the important thing for me tho (again ED falls short) is stuff needs to be doable by using skill OR "grind" even for some things, but it has to be predictable. it is why i HATED how engineers worked and much prefer now. whilst there may be a little more grind now, the RNG effect is massively reduced..... now if only USS mechancis could be tweaked to be less about rng pop up and more about using our tools to find them.
I love games which offer that, and this is why i thought ED was great at launch and better than now in many ways.
ED still has it, but only if you deliberately play unoptimally.... but then i like trying to find the most optimal way to do things as well, which is why it is important to me that games have robust rules and economies etc. ED falls down for me here.
the important thing for me tho (again ED falls short) is stuff needs to be doable by using skill OR "grind" even for some things, but it has to be predictable. it is why i HATED how engineers worked and much prefer now. whilst there may be a little more grind now, the RNG effect is massively reduced..... now if only USS mechancis could be tweaked to be less about rng pop up and more about using our tools to find them.
Honestly what annoyed me most prior to 3.0 was that constantly I had to compromise on materials cause I needed to throw away A, B and C in order to make way for D, L and T. Wasting rare and very rare in order to allow a longer roll session to further improve existing rolls.
Now you can store so much more and rolls have a definite end so it's only the collecting side which still is some kind of grind. But USSs spawn constantly somewhere, mission rewards are often given in materials and data so I wouldn't say it's no grind at all anymore but significantly nerfed nowadays.
I understand that some players want everything immediately with minimum efforts and I respect their opinions.
However personally I believe this game lost a lot of its attraction if everything was nerfed in a way you could achieve end game status (triple Elite King Admiral with all ships g5 engineered) within a few days or a lower amount of playing hours.
A game you can't win is frustrating, a game you can't lose is boring.
Hence too easy is as detrimental as too difficult.
Imho FDev have done a pretty good job with improving game balance right now.
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I want a spoon.
I don't know of any game that improves because the payout got quicker. So the fun in the game is how much you're being paid and how fast?
I can just imagine the furore if FD gave away a free spoon. I wanted a metal one, they should be plastic, I thought they would be bigger, Nerf the spoon, buff the spoon, THE SPOON IS BROKEN.
So you get a few reps for the suggestion - so what? Why do you think 10 people repping you for it is a convincing argument for FDev? What about the counter argument of how many people would uninstall the game immediately because of such a decision. What about LEP's? What about PaytoWin? Name a game that added credit buys that got better for it.
So you dont see an issue with paying FD money to get away from the crime consequences of ganking noobwinders?
You'd think Brett making the statement that it isn't going to happen would be the end of the issue, wouldn't you? I certainly would.
Why the debate that it might happen ?
Why the debate that it might happen ?
What is TF2?
You'd think Brett making the statement that it isn't going to happen would be the end of the issue, wouldn't you? I certainly would.
Why the debate that it might happen ?
Are you asking us why we're having a conversation about it?
It's TeFlon 2.0 - you know the teflon stuff that goes in your frying pan? It's the new version of that.