Please correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't there some fuss about the Orca and Beluga being the only ships that can fit luxury cabins?
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To all those moaning about being killed around Jaques bu other players.
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Please correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't there some fuss about the Orca and Beluga being the only ships that can fit luxury cabins?
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Cruise ships like the Beluga and Orca are being given people carrying compartments. And are the only type of ship that has this.
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Besides the existing module class-size system, I suspect not. It looks like the biggest out-layer right now would be the C4 hardpoints. Not many ships can sport those.
Exactly.
Dang, that's true, forgot about that. I was thoroughly confused trying to stick the biggest shield generator in the Orca at first.
Killing long distance traders in open is totally worse than combat logging. You have ruined weeks of their precious free time. if anyone is cool with that then display liberal sentiments that ruined Rome back when the Visigoths invaded.
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I think you need to assess your definition of deep space. Any craft capable of withstanding exposure to 'space' once it leaves the safe confines of a space station dock and can travel beyond that station is capable of travelling to Beagle Point with the right set up.
A spacecraft will need certain bare minimums in order to survive outside the station. This does not change wether you're here, or over there. The 'bubble' is deep space.
Some ships are fitted and geared for travel. Some for combat. Some for trading.
You can travel around the world on a Honda c90. Or a private jet. A luxury cruiser or a yacht.
It's what you do with the tools at hand.
Please stop comparing spacecraft with tanks, cars and planes. They're not the same.
A spacecraft will need certain bare minimums in order to survive outside the station. This does not change wether you're here, or over there. The 'bubble' is deep space.
Some ships are fitted and geared for travel. Some for combat. Some for trading.
You can travel around the world on a Honda c90. Or a private jet. A luxury cruiser or a yacht.
It's what you do with the tools at hand.
Please stop comparing spacecraft with tanks, cars and planes. They're not the same.
Certainly, but what we are talking about here are the rigors of combat not being equal to the rigors of exploration, but being something completely different. You don't use a military nuclear submarine to explore the Marina Trench, you take a specially designed exploration sub. That military sub would implode under those pressures and it doesn't have the equipment to properly do the job. Elite should have the same specialty of design for roles, meaning there should be mechanics pertaining to deep space travel that ships need to specially prepare for if they are to survive and fly there. Currently, the fact that a full blown combat Corvette can get to Sag A and only needs to sacrifice one internal for a fuel scoop to do so is lame. There should be more of a choice and compromise in that Corvette in order to make it that far which would consequently diminish it's combat capabilities.
But, lets be honest, FDev loves their combat, so it's never going to be a thing anyway. We are all just dreaming here.
The reality is you cannot stop griefing, it is going to happen in any game that allows players to kill one another, and you are certainly not going to stop it by messing with ship balance. Griefer’s will simply turn up in what ever ship can carry weapons get them to your location, and then grief you anyway. Heck, even if griefer’s could not carry weapons they would ram you to death or find other creative ways to give you a hard time.
Unless you pvp regularly, more often than not, you are going to fall foul of those who do.
With pvp being part and parcel of the game in open, with events even creating focus points for pvp to occur. The developers cannot go and increase in game penalties to the point that no one can afford or is willing to pvp, not when the game was sold on the premise that pvp is permissible and is even a viable career path.
Bottom line, If you do not like pvp, and there is nothing wrong with that, fly in private pve groups, solo, or in open as part of a wing. Players are fortunate it is possible to do so, if this game had a single open instance there would be little recourse in the event players were killed by another. And don’t forget to complain to FDEV when they introduce events that favour or force upon players one type of instance over the others. Doing so is poor game design and it is not acceptable when they sell an instanced multiplayer game where the instances can have different rules and they only support limited player numbers.
Unless you pvp regularly, more often than not, you are going to fall foul of those who do.
With pvp being part and parcel of the game in open, with events even creating focus points for pvp to occur. The developers cannot go and increase in game penalties to the point that no one can afford or is willing to pvp, not when the game was sold on the premise that pvp is permissible and is even a viable career path.
Bottom line, If you do not like pvp, and there is nothing wrong with that, fly in private pve groups, solo, or in open as part of a wing. Players are fortunate it is possible to do so, if this game had a single open instance there would be little recourse in the event players were killed by another. And don’t forget to complain to FDEV when they introduce events that favour or force upon players one type of instance over the others. Doing so is poor game design and it is not acceptable when they sell an instanced multiplayer game where the instances can have different rules and they only support limited player numbers.
Not trying to stop people from killing people, but when it happens it should happen within the mechanics of a game that makes sense. Like combat ships like the FDL being 25,000 light years hope killing explore far into the void, where only specialised and properly equipped ships should be.
Just because you can do a thing doesn't mean you should...
The problem is not that combat ships are able to travel that far. They should be able to do so, only less efficiently than exploring vessels. If you want to go from Barcelona to Amsterdam, you can either travel by plane, train, car, or bicycle. All of them will bring you to your destination, only not at the same speed and effort expense, obviously.
No, the problem is that there are complete psychos in that game, who have nothing better to do with their lives than spending days traveling to Jacques only to troll on unarmed explorers. Picturing the amount of jumps and the time spent on getting there will give you a hint on the level of psycho we're talking about. At this stage, I'd advise their family to call the police and get out of the house. FD cannot solve psychos. Only strong medication can.
No, the problem is that there are complete psychos in that game, who have nothing better to do with their lives than spending days traveling to Jacques only to troll on unarmed explorers. Picturing the amount of jumps and the time spent on getting there will give you a hint on the level of psycho we're talking about. At this stage, I'd advise their family to call the police and get out of the house. FD cannot solve psychos. Only strong medication can.
But if they want to do that, this is fine. However the game needs proper crime and punishment mechanics and done within the boundaries of common sense. I.e, combat ships are not exploration ships, design to survive on their own 25,000 light years from the core.
In making it this way, this leaves explorers to concentrate on the real dangers of exploration. Combat is dangerous and so should exploration be and if you are not in an appropriate ship, kitted appropriately for surviving far away from home, you are soon going to go pop after leaving the core.
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I don't see why combat ships wouldn't be able to stand the rigours of space. What's the difference in operating in space 22,000 light years away than it is next to Sol. Most military vehicles/craft are pretty tough. If you've managed to get your short jump range fighter out there then good luck to you.
Possibly there's an argument that supply lines wouldn't be shipping ammo that far... but then people would synth ammo or just take lasers.
I realise automatic ship transfer will alter things yet again in October... but I'll leave that to other threads
Trivially easy? Yes. But last time I checked it also was mind-numbingly boring to do so. 12 hours non-stop jump sequences? No thanks.
Don't worry OP, Soon you won't even need to fly the ship there, you will be able to summon them instantly
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