To Solo Play Players: If You Could Disable PVP, Would You Play in Open Play Mode Instead?

Robert Maynard

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Robert Maynard
Losco Nosciuto said:
The only FAIR thing to keep PP and BGS FAIR as a game mechanics is close them to OPEN PLAY. Wether you like it or not.
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In the opinion of some, certainly, however that's one opinion - and some others don't share it. The game design and Frontier's statements on the BGS don't support it either. No game features require any player to engage in PvP - in that sense they are fair. That some want to add PvP to PvE gameplay is their choice - a choice that cannot be forced on other players.

We all bought a game where playing among players who may wish to engage us in PvP is an optional extra, which means that PvP is an optional extra that no player requires to engage in, while affecting the shared galaxy, if they choose not to - even if some players can't accept that. That some players bought a game where PvP is not forced and that fact spoils their enjoyment of the game is not Frontier's fault, nor the fault of those who bought the game for what it is (rather than what it is not).
Losco Nosciuto said:
Who want to keep PP and BGS in all modes, are only trying to make the best for themselves, as a group or as an individual. The best for the game is what keeps the game balanced, not what makes everyone half happy.
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Are those who want existing content shared by all players to be PvP-gated to Open claiming that they don't want the change for themselves, as a group or as an individual?
 
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TiberiusDuval

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Losco Nosciuto said:
You know what? This is kinda creepy and disgusting. What happens by Solo Powerplay / BGS players in this Thread is basically the same as ganking. This is going PvP on concepts and words, knowing that the vast majority of active Forum Members are PVT/Solo players, they can outnumber and literally gank us, as we only do tank all we can, and I'm totally annoyed by it. It's not a point of "what's fair or not" for fair-play but "what's fair or not because we don't want to play in the backseat because we play solo". The only FAIR thing to keep PP and BGS FAIR as a game mechanics is close them to OPEN PLAY. Wether you like it or not. Then you can say that "But I want to play and having nothing precluded in solo and PVT too" but that's not about a fair game mechanics, it's just about being fair about the original kickstarter Idea. Period.
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Well, idea was that every player could effect BGS, not just PVP lords. And that is what I consider FAIR play. Using PVP against BGS influence, is like using hammer to say loosing nuts and bolts.
 

Ettanin

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I think the misconception regarding BGS is with regards to how EVE handles it.

It's actually simple. You neither own nor belong to a faction or power. You work for that faction. You are an independent mercenary.

If that weren't so, you wouldn't be insured by the Pilot's Federation and wouldn't bear the title CMDR. Thus, your objective is not to eliminate faction opposition (bar any massacre missions), but to work for the faction in secret.

While there are certain effects concerning Power Play mechanics, it's implementation is a mess and changing it into a certain direction will alienate another fraction of the playerbase, so keeping it as is is the optimal solution.
 
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Losco Nosciuto

Losco Nosciuto
TiberiusDuval said:
Well, idea was that every player could effect BGS, not just PVP lords. And that is what I consider FAIR play. Using PVP against BGS influence, is like using hammer to say loosing nuts and bolts.
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That's how you don't understand.

It's not about PvP itself. It's about the game.
You can go undermine / trade / sell your data and I don't have the power to stop you because you're playing solo.
The MAIN and most focused mode is Open because is the only mode without restrictions, and one want to play there (because it's fair, i do BGS, you can counter that). Maybe I don't want to go PvP but when I am moving my commodities a pvp player (which exist and they are free to play that way, it's fair and I say it even tho I suck in pvp) interdicts me and kills me. That wouldn't happen in any other mode.
Oh well, will it or not you suggest "go play solo" and we'll, that's not what it's meant to be. Powerplay and BGS are COMPETITIVE gameplay, prove me wrong. And as such where is the competition in legalizing exploits like hiding in other instances or block players?
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Robert Maynard

Volunteer Moderator
Robert Maynard
Losco Nosciuto said:
Powerplay and BGS are COMPETITIVE gameplay, prove me wrong. And as such where is the competition in legalizing exploits like hiding in other instances or block players?
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Indeed - Powerplay is competitive PvE with opportunities for consensual PvP but no requirement for any pledged player to play among other players to engage in Powerplay, and players can choose to compete through the BGS (even if it was not originally intended for that), again without ever being in the same instance. Affecting game features from Solo and Private Groups is no more an exploit than doing so from Open.

Opinions vary on the necessity, or lack thereof, to potentially engage in PvP when engaging in game features. Frontier's apparent stance, made clear by the game design, is that even potentially engaging in PvP is not a required part of any game feature except CQC.
 
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Ian Skippy

Ian Skippy
"Would more people go to our vegan restaurant if we added steak to the menu?"

Arguably, yes. But why stop there?

"Would more people play ED if we removed the spaceships and made it a F2P Battle Royale game"?

Arguably, yes.

If we are going to do things "because more people might play then", then whatever ED will end up is not going to be the ED you want. If you only use it as an argument to get things you want, but pretend "ED should remain a niche game!" when it comes to other things, you are basically arguing in bad faith.
 

TiberiusDuval

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Losco Nosciuto said:
That's how you don't understand.

It's not about PvP itself. It's about the game.
You can go undermine / trade / sell your data and I don't have the power to stop you because you're playing solo.
The MAIN and most focused mode is Open because is the only mode without restrictions, and one want to play there (because it's fair, i do BGS, you can counter that). Maybe I don't want to go PvP but when I am moving my commodities a pvp player (which exist and they are free to play that way, it's fair and I say it even tho I suck in pvp) interdicts me and kills me. That wouldn't happen in any other mode.
Oh well, will it or not you suggest "go play solo" and we'll, that's not what it's meant to be. Powerplay and BGS are COMPETITIVE gameplay, prove me wrong. And as such where is the competition in legalizing exploits like hiding in other instances or block players?
Facts
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As others have said, you do not know what I'm doing. At worst you by trigger happy patrolling are hindering your own faction.
And OK, I fly in open doing mission to system you are defending. You interdict me. I jump away. And block you. Jump back do my stuff. Basically it costs me added inconvenience. And due to how blocking works it is unlikely I see even your friends next time at same system. UNLESS you want to deny BGS for those players who do have blocklist and play in open?
 

PiperFurri

PiperFurri
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