To Solo Play Players: If You Could Disable PVP, Would You Play in Open Play Mode Instead?
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Why not?
SWTOR had PvP servers for the Open World. Afaik they were shut down. They were consolidating regions on them when I played the game. It's an unsustaining audience in many cases - especially with predominantly PvE audience.
No it's not and your comment doesn't make any sense if you think about it.
There already is an 'easy mode' as you call it. It's Solo and PG. This thread is just another request from people who would like to play with others instead of against them.
Quick answer to the title, yes
And what do they want to do with others that they cannot do already?
Haul cargo in wing? That's possible with friends, random strangers are not going to be much of a help.
Kill a wing assassination target in wing? Well that's not exactly a pacifist kind of thing but that doesn't matter, it's easy to do in a PG if you are afraid of big bad gwieferz. Those kind of players, if there is even a single one around in the first place, are just going to steal your target in a PvE mode where they cannot blow you out of the sky.
Wing up and bounty hunt together in a Res site? Actually it's already even better in PG than in Open since there are no more people there to steal your targets (and whom you wouldn't even be able to stop in a PvE-only "Open" mode as they would be invulnerable).
Explore Guardian sites together? That's basically the same case as the previous one: in PG you can coordinate your actions but that's not working if there are other people around since they will just mess things up for you, it does not matter if they can shoot at you or not.
Go kill Thargoids in AXCZ's? Pretty much the same thing again, better in PG as generally you don't want random strangers to determine how and when the instance gets started or held.
Explore the Galaxy? Well you don't really need anyone else to be able to do that, but even if you did, you can safely stay in Open since you're not going to see any other living souls in the middle of nowhere anyway.
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That you need to ask shows that you don't have a clue how other people play the game. Which is fine, nobody knows everything. People need to realise that their view isn't universal though.
Actually I do play with random strangers. It's quite fun and they often get added to my friendlist.
In a PG I would only meet a handful of people who are in my PG, or no people at all because everyone is in a different mode. That's not my idea of multiplayer.
Wrong, it sucks in PG because nobody is there. In Open I always send a wing invite to everyone in the RES and we are having fun killing pirates together, something that wouldn't work in a PG.
Well Guardian sites is something I actually would prefer to do alone, so I might go to Solo for that.
Again, there aren't many people in my PG. I actually do want to play with random strangers, and many other people as well as you can see from this thread.
It's pretty much irrelevant which mode you use when you are exploring and therefore not related to the discussion.
Now it's my turn to ask: Why are you against a PvP toggle? I already asked 15 pages ago and nobody managed to give a satisfying answer.
You know why.
Surprisingly, I don't.
Some people are obviously against it because it destroys griefing and ganking, which is good in my opinion.
But not everyone in this thread is a 'evil ganker' and I don't understand why they have such a big problem with optional PvP.
Most of the purple headed warriors already left the game AFAIK.
Yes, i would play a mode akin to a PVE or having an optional PVP flag in open. I like to meet random players but i am not really interested in PVP as it is currently.
This is probably due to the lack of in-game incentives for higher risk/higher reward or proper game mechanics where PVP is actually meaningful.
An optional PVP flag with some incentives to have it enabled would probably work best for me personally.
This is probably due to the lack of in-game incentives for higher risk/higher reward or proper game mechanics where PVP is actually meaningful.
An optional PVP flag with some incentives to have it enabled would probably work best for me personally.
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It's because we all know the relative numbers of player types. The game would be changed: all the stuff about ganking would be recognised as an aberration which could be sidelined, rather than "normal gameplay". I think it would be better to just have a separate Open-PvE mode or make instancing dependent on the flag setting (one of the few good ideas in this thread), so that people who want "Mad Max in Space" won't have to see ships they can't explode. But even then they'd get upset about their version of Open filling with tumbleweed and the ghastly knowledge that lots of other people were having a good time in a parallel dimension.
Well ganking or even PvP in general already isn't normal gameplay. The vast majority has no interest in PvP, at least that's what all the polls showed when they were still allowed. Apart from that, Braben always made clear that he doesn't want that type of gameplay but 'meaningful PvP' instead (whatever that means).
Personally I would like to bring the player base together instead of fracturing it even more.
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Here's a couple:
People bought a game advertising survival in a cut throat universe, and they actually want to have it? (*NPCs will not provide this)
"Anything goes" makes all in-game morality choices available to me and meaningful. If we meet in open and I don't try to destroy you, that already tells you something about my CMDR. If instead we strike up a convo and do some co-op then that provides a stark contrast to other encounters we might experience.
People just don't want the game to be watery and toothless.
Then let me turn it around - ganking is so rare that asking for a PvP flag is like asking for a 20 limit on the motorway because crashes sometimes happen. The only place I might half consider it viable is at CGs (more like a 20 zone in a residential street). Then again, block already permits mitigation for that situation, not to mention closed modes, Mobius. A PvP flag is a bad solution looking for a problem.
Then they can switch PvP on.
Again, this would still be possible if you swith PvP on.
PvP on...?
That doesn't make sense. If ganking is so rare, why should a PvP flag be a problem? Do you fear that everyone sets it to off? That's not a very good argument in my opinion because it would just show that you fear the majority isn't interested in PvP, which is an argument for a PvP toggle.
Yeah me too, although most people are just (understandably) minding their own business even in Open, but it's absolutely possible and you don't even need to be invulnerable.
In Moebius you can already meet as many PvE-only people as there are in existence basically, minus a handful of PvEers who are only kept in Solo by the horror of the 0.00001% chance of their pixels getting shot at in said PG.
It only works in Open/big PG's as long as those people you meet accept your wing invite and even then only up to 4 people in total. It always works if you are in a PG with your friends (max. 3 of them).
Not true, many people gave answers, including me, just scroll up a bit. In a nutshell, it's stupidly immersion-breaking, exploitable to hell, takes away all what little unpredictable danger exists in Open. I certainly don't want my instances to be diluted by invulnerable people pretending to play Elite: Hello Kitty Online or Elite: Safe Space.
IIRC nobody asked to be invulnerable.Yeah me too, although most people are just (understandably) minding their own business even in Open, but it's absolutely possible and you don't even need to be invulnerable.
This is not true and shows again that you don't know what you are talking about. Moebius isn't one group. And many people who aren't interested in PvP fly in Open, like myself.
The reason I would like to see a PvP toggle is not that I want to play alone with my friends, I think you should understand that after so many pages...
All thease theories have already been debunked. I want a real reason. It's not immersion breaking, it's not exploitable, it doesn't take away unpredictable danger. People wouldn't become invulnerable. If anything, a PvP toggle would bring the game closer to Braben's vision.
I'm against it because, most obviously, I think the idea of having ships that are invulnerable to player fire mixing with normal ships would just be silly.
Beyond that, I'm against the idea of asking for a "PvP toggle" because it'll never work properly, it'll be open to abuse and it'd only ever end-up being something that receives a lot of criticism.
There's simply too many caveats and provisos that need adding to a "PvP toggle" for it to work elegantly; there could be timers, there could be limited opportunities to enable/disable it, there could be places where it doesn't apply, there could be activities where it can't be used etc.
All that stuff is going to make it a convoluted mess... and then there's also the certainty that players would find ways to abuse it as well.
If FDev chose to do something related to this issue, I'd rather they simply created a PvE mode.