Minonian
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Just cut his internet cable...
General / Off-Topic Trump: Legal Issues (was The Testimony of James Comey)
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Communism falls apart once two or more people get involved.
You are still confused. When you talk to other people, you need to listen to what they say. Its cool that you are very upset about USSR, I get it. You dont have to like any of it. But when someone talks about something totally different, it makes no sense to bring it up. In case it is still unclear: it is totally fine if you dont like bananas. But if someone is talking about apples, it doesnt make sense to keep talking about your hatred for bananas. It makes you look like a fundamentalist.
I am not saying apples are amazing, or that everyone should eat apples, or that apples have a right to exist. But please stop talking about bananas, because it makes you look silly. If someone talks about the ideas of Trotsky, respond about the ideas of Trotsky, not someone else. It isn't a difficult concept, really.
True. But to be fair, so does every other ideology.
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Minonian
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Lol true that!
@sleutelbos! Your problem lies in the second part of my post, and what's follows it about liberalism. What you trying to do is to say i commit ignoratio elechi.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignoratio_elenchi
Sorry, but i'm not. However? You committing the fallacy of fallacy.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/the-fallacy-fallacy
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Democracy seems pretty solid to me against all the bad leaders, and governments what we sometimes elect. (unlike communism if i might add)
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I've heard it espoused democracy fails whenever the people figure out they can just hold a vote to give themselves money.
Republicanism seems to be doing much better.
The real echo chamber, where the voices are not even human anymore.
Ohhhh the plot thickens!
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...russia-dossier-christopher-steele-devin-nunes
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...russia-dossier-christopher-steele-devin-nunes
Devin Nunes is an exceptionally thick chap. He attended an agricultural college and reportedly struggled to get a basic degree in cow farming. His only path to exceptionalism is toadying, which is how he got nominated and won his seat. Now, he's a loyalist to the Trumpians, and has completely debased the House investigation at the cost of his own credibility.
Finding a picture of him NOT looking over his own shoulder for the police is a challenge.
I guess that counts as a "success" in his worldview. But like the Toady who catches the steel boomerang for Humungus in Road Warrior, he's about to lose his fingers.
He lied to defend Trump's baseless and stupid claim that Obama was surveilling him, involving Ezra Cohen (a Flynnstone, recently fired) in the most transparent coverup that ever got a man in jail. Muller hasn't locked his sorry butt up yet, because it's a function of time. Tick tock.
Nunes isnt a traitor on the scale of Tillerson. He's a disposable pawn, used and discarded by the marginally smarter buffoons, and now they are using him again. Once you see his fingerprints all over a political operation, two things follow: it is going to be transparently stupid, and it will fail spectacularly.
Exactly why is the Trump contingent terrified of the Dossier? Isn't it all supposed to be a "baseless fake"?
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Was that in a keynote from The Mooch?
You know, that guy who's company is so yugely successful it's as profitable as an unmanaged index fund but he pays himself more salary than he returns to his investors?
I know it's two pages ago, but:
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...James-Comey)?p=5805057&viewfull=1#post5805057
Half truths are more dangerous than lies?
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I dunno about that. How did Trump get into the White House again? Then there's that classic video of some millennial bleating "But I voted to leave (Brexit) because I thought my vote didn't matter! I didn't think it'd actually happen!". Honestly, sometimes I think people would be better off with a firm but benign hand at their throats. People really are too stupid to determine their own destinies.
Out of curiosity, is that based on anything or just something that fits your worldview?
Minonian
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So you want someone else to do it, and determine your fate?
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Hehh! To be entirely honest, sometimes people's choices can be really stupid. For prime example see brexit. And the Government job to lead the best the country he can, what means the right choice is to not push it over, but this can't be the basic approach how you must govern, but something what you must do when it's necessary.
The final choice after all must go to the leader.
(As far he is capable. If not? What the hell he doing in the Pm's chair???)
And about brexit? Whom's fault are the people's choice really are?
Theirs? Or the ones fault whom intentionally misinformed and hysterical -ised them?
They can be smarter than to belíve all the dumb trash they got to their face? Yes... But the truth is, not everyone smart or experienced enough for this. So i say the responsibility in this case is shared between the ones whom cheated them, and the people, because they must make a more responsible choice.
But first and foremost it's the sin of the ones whom fooled them. Because just as i said? You can't make a right choice based on false and incomplete information.
The final choice after all must go to the leader.
(As far he is capable. If not? What the hell he doing in the Pm's chair???)
And about brexit? Whom's fault are the people's choice really are?
Theirs? Or the ones fault whom intentionally misinformed and hysterical -ised them?
They can be smarter than to belíve all the dumb trash they got to their face? Yes... But the truth is, not everyone smart or experienced enough for this. So i say the responsibility in this case is shared between the ones whom cheated them, and the people, because they must make a more responsible choice.
But first and foremost it's the sin of the ones whom fooled them. Because just as i said? You can't make a right choice based on false and incomplete information.
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I want to be the firm but benign hand.
No one hand, but a number of fingers of different people who can watch each other.
Government and important decisions of government is way too complex and important to be left up to an uneducated mass of toddlers who will believe the lies of the likes of Trump, Johnson, Wilders etc.
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True, governing is not for idiots, and also better if the masses can't determine all of it's aspects.
Right now In Hungary LMP wants to reduce electing age limit to 16. I say it's a bad idea. At first by hungarian law you not considered to adult, at second at this age in average you way too inexperienced the world thing to make a right choice.
Jobbik in the meanwhile want to introduce an educational census. You can only vote if you have at least 8 elementary. About this i have more mixed feelings. At least some basic education (literacy for starter!) Are really necessary be capable to make a right choice. In the other hand? Close out the less lucky people? Not sure about it.
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In my reading this is more about social status. Especially coming from the racist jobbik. (Gypsies!)
Anyhow, to make a right choice what you really need is experience, and capacity to comprehend what's going on around you, in this terms age primary but education secondary reason.
What people really need to make a right choice is comprehension awareness and experience. Not raw intellect or litracy.
Right now In Hungary LMP wants to reduce electing age limit to 16. I say it's a bad idea. At first by hungarian law you not considered to adult, at second at this age in average you way too inexperienced the world thing to make a right choice.
Jobbik in the meanwhile want to introduce an educational census. You can only vote if you have at least 8 elementary. About this i have more mixed feelings. At least some basic education (literacy for starter!) Are really necessary be capable to make a right choice. In the other hand? Close out the less lucky people? Not sure about it.
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In my reading this is more about social status. Especially coming from the racist jobbik. (Gypsies!)
Anyhow, to make a right choice what you really need is experience, and capacity to comprehend what's going on around you, in this terms age primary but education secondary reason.
What people really need to make a right choice is comprehension awareness and experience. Not raw intellect or litracy.
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Yea, it took literally one minute to find the story behind this right-wing paranoia hoax:
The lower picture is not Sweden, it's Bangladesh: http://www.bbc.com/news/10192755
I want to be the firm but benign hand.
Anyone that wants the job is automatically excluded.
That already happens. Huge multinationals tell governments how to policy, my vote is just an illusion of control.
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To be fair Leninism/Trotskyism was pretty crappy too. I'll imagine that Marx & Engels were revolving in their graves from about 5 minutes after they were buried.
I think that the wider point is that communism, or any purely ideologically defined economic system - I'm looking at you, libertarianism and laissez-faire capitalism - doesn't take into account the human component. The systems are not proof against people gaming them.
Also, an equally big issue, is that I've never heard of a practical transition plan from the current mess into a proposed replacement that won't make a lot of people very dead in the process (see: Leninism & Trotskism...).
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