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Minonian

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Morbad said:
Both had less victims that democracy, and all of them had fewer victims than agriculture or sexual intercourse, which themselves pale in comparison to time.
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When a democracy committed genocide for ideological cleansing?

Wars? that's my friend an entirely different question. there is no nation or government form, whom not did wars for one reason or another.
But both Communism and Nationalism is guilty in this, and alongside with religious zeal, the only kind of presently existing type of governments and ideology whom have this as original sin.
 

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@Boomer. I guess he working after all. :D

To continue my previous tough?

In a system like democracy where you have the right, to speak up your mind, and the whole system is based on the challege of ideas? To forcefully silence a different opinion is a sin.
From the eyes of the other party, this makes us a stirring pot of chaos? yes... And sometimes are dangerously stupid? YEP!
But... A regime uncapable to put down to the table so much in terms of science literature, arts, philosophy and advances. What a Democracy can do. This is the cost to maintain too much order. Ours? Instability.

But mind you Dictatorship have an other weakness. If they do something dangerously stupid? Than they just shut up the opposing opinion, and keep doing it, because i'm the boss and your name is shutup!

For example? See Venezuela present situation. They are literally ruined a nation with so much potential than Saud Araby. The Government are failed in elections. Reactions? They keeping the power by force, Because i'm right! Despite the catastrophic consequences of their actions, and instead admitting their mistakes keep blaming others.

Edit; A Democracy balancing above the chasm of chaos and failing, and a Dictatorship just lags behind...
 
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Morbad

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Minonian said:
When a democracy committed genocide for ideological cleansing?
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Historically, pretty much whenever they thought they could get away with it. Nothing about democracy is incompatible with genocide.

The United States has always claimed to be a democracy, but has committed numerous acts of genocide against indigenous peoples. The British Empire and it's subunits were also perpetuating genocide long after it had nominally become a democracy. I'm sure you can find plenty of examples.
 

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Not true. Most of the People of The American continent are died due the sicknesses what The Eurpoeans bought with him selves. And this is where we end our discussion. because you see? I don't debate with tin foil hatters, and this is? A Grade A+ Tin foil hatter idiocy.
PLUS I did not talked about Racist genocide.
 

Morbad

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Minonian said:
Not true. Most of the People of The American continent are died due the sicknesses what The Eurpoeans bought with him selves. And this is where we end our discussion. because you see? I don't debate with tin foil hatters, and this is? A Grade A+ Tin foil hatter idiocy.
PLUS I did not talked about Racist genocide.
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Your random collection of arbitrary conditions of what does or does not constitute genocide are as misinformed as your definitions of communism and socialism.
 

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Morbad said:
Your random collection of arbitrary conditions of what does or does not constitute genocide are as misinformed as your definitions of communism and socialism.
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In the debate of ideologies all conditions are arbitrary. The difference between you and me? I know this. ;) And now you go back where belong, this much more than enough from you for a while.
And this is why i'm even less willing to open debates about them, than tin foil hatter idiocyes. That's just... Night dark stupid. But this? Night dark stupid, and arbitrary.
 
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Minonian said:
National Socialism had less victims than Communism. Honestly? I can't understand why is that?
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I would say time. How long did Stalin etc. have to work with. Up until the war, the National Socialists, murdered on a relatively small scale and so they only worked at a pace, for about 6 years; I would say that Stalin etc.; had a lot longer and probably did so at a slower rate.

As to Venezuela thing: I see a lot of parallels with the U.S. Example: Someone wants to investigate the President and then they get fired.
 
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National Socialism had less victims than Communism. Honestly? I can't understand why is that?
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Well considering we've never had a true communism country, if going by Marxism–Leninism type so, I think you need to elaborate, it isn't like democracy, or heck any and all other kinds of governments haven't had victims, heck modern countries with capitalism isn't great in that aspect either.

None of the ideologies are perfect, and given human's aren't perfect either, well, explains how we got to where we are now. Try a little of this, a little of that and then some of this, and yeah, trial and error, my point isn't that communism is flawless, it isn't, but it really doesn't deserve the rep it has had, the 'idea' itself, that everyone supports everyone, is a nice one, probably unrealistic given human nature, but a nice idea, that we take care of each other, in a modern society there really isn't the same competition as there was back before the technological revolution, I mean technically we have all the resources needed to keep the whole world with food and waste very little, unlike currently, but yeah...
Basically a 'perfect' communism would effectively be Star Trek, though some take offence in that, think on it how it works. It is basically a 'perfect' communism.


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Well, I did read an interview with a Chavez voter from earlier this century (the predecessor of Maduro) and he said he wanted a social state like Norway, not a socialist state like Cuba. (It's a bit like Trumplings really .. they wanted to make murica grate again and have yet to realize they picked the wrong cheese)

Since Norway leads the human development index for years now, I found that a bit boring, so I googled for beautiful sights from their and our neighbor state (and Europe's biggest Bacon exporter) Denmark and lo and behold, up came the Dragon.
Having read all the Breitbart and being an expert tinfoil hatter, I came to the irrefutable conclusion that socialism ends in dragons. Q.E.D.
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Well.........okey. Fair enough.


Though dragons might be better world leaders then our current headless chickens or so it seems around the world, too busy finding a profit rather then you know, finding solutions.
 

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xondk said:
Though dragons might be better world leaders then our current headless chickens or so it seems around the world, too busy finding a profit rather then you know, finding solutions.
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:D

http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Gold_dragon

xondk said:
Well considering we've never had a true communism country, if going by Marxism–Leninism type so, I think you need to elaborate, it isn't like democracy, or heck any and all other kinds of governments haven't had victims, heck modern countries with capitalism isn't great in that aspect either.
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Oh yes... Communism always fails because It's not given the chance. Listen! if you no matter what you do keep failing? Than that's might be not the world's fault!

So much about the myth of perfect communism.

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And about Liberalism, as an ideology? At his present state in the EU and world wide? In Oriental terminology, it's called Old yin. The point when something becomes so far fetched, it's becomes the opposite.

The cold what's burns the state after plasma when the fire becoming something like a supercooled fluid.
 
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Ian Skippy

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:D

http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Gold_dragon

Oh yes... Communism always fails because It's not given the chance. Listen! if you no matter what you do keep failing? Than that's might be not the world's fault!

So much about the myth of perfect communism.

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You are confused again. He isnt saying communism wasnt given a chance, but that what you call communism isnt what Lenin/trotsky called communism. He isnt saying the USSR should have been given more chances, he is saying the USSR was a dictatorship rather than lenin/trotsky communism. That picture you posted is just one big sign that you completely missed his point.
 

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Same thing. Where he and you mistaken? He thinks Communism can be different Without Lenin & Stalin The very way they are walked in alongside with all the other communist "saint" was marx's idea. Communism propagated and accepted this kind of violent and oppressive path from it's birth, as every iteration of it shows, including what's going on right now In Venezuela They had won in democratic elections and after they banged up everything and failed in elections they are as always did? Starting to use violence. this is what they are this is the one and only path where it can lead.

And as always they are blaming others for their fault and saying it's Murica fault, (they are just shifting blame!) it's only won't work because we did not had the time to completely develop and reach perfect communism.

[rolleyes] Riiiigggght! [squeeeee] How about this?

Stop hiding behind excuses and face reality!
Communism fails because it's [noob] ish.

Edit; If "pure" Communism have any kind of potential that already shown in the last 100 year, and all the nations around the world, but all they can show up? Failure after failure, no promise, no progress no success!
 
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Bump;
As an addition, if your idea can only work in labor conditions, but it cannot take the pressure and hardship what reality provides? How much it can worth?
 

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Crash1099 said:
Well guess what i do not like Socialism and do not want to be part of it. Guess that is how i feel as a US citizen. Live Free.....Do not need Government in my g life.
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Move into the most untouched badlands you can find, give up all the products of our technological civilisation, and see how long you'll last. Without that "government" you don't have modern societies, which means no infrastructure, no technology and no food that you didn't grow, harvest or kill yourself.

Bye.
 
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