Nonsense, that would be too hard on the distro.
Hauler huge hardpoint WHEN?
Type-10 Balance Discussion - How to make the battle cow viable
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Would not make sense to do so.
Time for a much needed necro.
I am a die hard Type-10 CMDR.
let me start by sharing my specs
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My ship is quite litterally, a floating fortress. If you can manage to take down my shields, you're only going to be facing a MASSIVE hull.
All of my hardpoints are multi cannons, and all of them are turreted. Wether I'm hitting your shields, or your hull you are severely over heating. Once your shields go down, you're going to be taking bonus damage from corrosion. Which will be fairly quickly as all but one Multicannon deals bonus thermal damage.
My top speed, with boost is a whopping 289. But that doesn't matter, PVE they are constantly trying to close in on me and that's fine because I fly full reverse. PVP, your best bet is to try to get behind me, but good luck with that because the type 10 has virtually no blind spots and if you are in range, you are going to be hit by atleast 4 out of 9 guns at all times. Not to mention my Plasma Cannon Taipan with an elite npc in the cockpit.
9/10 players are running from me trying to escape, rather than sticking around to fight. But I keep them mass locked pretty much most of the time and as they are trying to run, Terra Savage is chipping their shields down with her plasma cannons.
My combat rank is a measly Expert, yet with this Beastly Machine of death, I can stack multiple Elite Rank assassination missions and fight 2 to 3 wings of the 1FDL and 2phasing laser vultures combo, at a time and usually never see my shields down.
This ship was intended for long duration combat with little to no need to to dock for resupply ( as I carry enough iron, sulphur and nickel to resupply my Multicannons mid combat )
I can turn my turrets on to fire at will, order Miss Savage to attack at will in a hazres with report crimes against me turned off and go watch a full length movie, to come back to my shields never have gone down. Completely out of ammo and Terra still wrecking pirates, synthesize all my turrets and go watch another movie.
This ship is highly highly underrated because of it's base stats.
Take the time to nurture your cow, and she'll surprise you
I've spent over a billion credits on my Cow. Not including rebuys
I keep coming back to the same weapon loadout, (LARGE) 4 Overcharged MC 3 auto loader 1 corrosive. I vary between gimballed and turrets because boost turning I can usually get a bead on anything long enough to hit, but turrets just hit more often. (MEDIUM TOP) 2 double barrel frag cannon turrets with screening shot) and 1 Med (bottom) and 2 small railguns, long range, with super penetrators and one freedback cascade in a nice tight triangle. it takes apart elite anacondas in short order and for those pesky little ships that fly over you, when the shotguns fire, they're usually wreckage by the time they get to the other side. I keep trying other builds but this one seems to take things out, for me, the fastest.
By the way, for everyone saying it's useless, it's not. It's not the best at anything. But I, personally, love it.
I took it to Beagle Point and Semotus Beacon, the farthest point any ship can reach in game. I have about 45L jump with it and you just can't beat the view for exploring. Plus I was fitted out with repair and fuel limpets. I repaired many dedicated explorer Phantoms and AspXs on DW2 as a Hull Seal.
I reached Triple Elite in it, and against thargoid scouts it is fantastic if you put 2 large and 2 med AX MC turrets on top, the scouts pop in seconds. I put 3 rails ( the lower med and 2 small) on it just to give me something to do while the turrets did their work. Against interceptors.. you have to be really really good. I can take out Cyclops consistently, you just don't fight them the way you normally do, there's no running. You sit there and slug it out, and you need to take out the swarm fast. But it's doable, it's just not EASY.
I do painite strip mining with it. I make about 300million a run (2 hours usually).
Do I want changes? yes. I want them to fix supercruise to bring it in line with the other large ships like Conda or Cutter or Beluga, there's no reason for the horrible response in supercruise. I would love them to fix the convergence, but don't expect that'll happen.
For the T10 to be the top Thargoid interceptor killier, it would need a speed of over 450 and 4 hardpoints that have a tight convergence. This won't happen. FDev obviously doesn't care about the T10 anymore. Or, remove the arbitrary 4 hardpoint limit on AX weapons and see what a T10 can do with 9 AX weapons
It's not the best ship at anything. Neither was the Millenium Falcon. The T10 is my millenium falcon, I have more fun in that ship than any other ship in the game, all your min max numbers be damned
I took it to Beagle Point and Semotus Beacon, the farthest point any ship can reach in game. I have about 45L jump with it and you just can't beat the view for exploring. Plus I was fitted out with repair and fuel limpets. I repaired many dedicated explorer Phantoms and AspXs on DW2 as a Hull Seal.
I reached Triple Elite in it, and against thargoid scouts it is fantastic if you put 2 large and 2 med AX MC turrets on top, the scouts pop in seconds. I put 3 rails ( the lower med and 2 small) on it just to give me something to do while the turrets did their work. Against interceptors.. you have to be really really good. I can take out Cyclops consistently, you just don't fight them the way you normally do, there's no running. You sit there and slug it out, and you need to take out the swarm fast. But it's doable, it's just not EASY.
I do painite strip mining with it. I make about 300million a run (2 hours usually).
Do I want changes? yes. I want them to fix supercruise to bring it in line with the other large ships like Conda or Cutter or Beluga, there's no reason for the horrible response in supercruise. I would love them to fix the convergence, but don't expect that'll happen.
For the T10 to be the top Thargoid interceptor killier, it would need a speed of over 450 and 4 hardpoints that have a tight convergence. This won't happen. FDev obviously doesn't care about the T10 anymore. Or, remove the arbitrary 4 hardpoint limit on AX weapons and see what a T10 can do with 9 AX weapons
It's not the best ship at anything. Neither was the Millenium Falcon. The T10 is my millenium falcon, I have more fun in that ship than any other ship in the game, all your min max numbers be damned
I love the T10 for it looks and the cockpit, but FD messed it up too bad to be useful imho.By the way, for everyone saying it's useless, it's not. It's not the best at anything. But I, personally, love it.
I took it to Beagle Point and Semotus Beacon, the farthest point any ship can reach in game. I have about 45L jump with it and you just can't beat the view for exploring. Plus I was fitted out with repair and fuel limpets. I repaired many dedicated explorer Phantoms and AspXs on DW2 as a Hull Seal.
I reached Triple Elite in it, and against thargoid scouts it is fantastic if you put 2 large and 2 med AX MC turrets on top, the scouts pop in seconds. I put 3 rails ( the lower med and 2 small) on it just to give me something to do while the turrets did their work. Against interceptors.. you have to be really really good. I can take out Cyclops consistently, you just don't fight them the way you normally do, there's no running. You sit there and slug it out, and you need to take out the swarm fast. But it's doable, it's just not EASY.
I do painite strip mining with it. I make about 300million a run (2 hours usually).
Do I want changes? yes. I want them to fix supercruise to bring it in line with the other large ships like Conda or Cutter or Beluga, there's no reason for the horrible response in supercruise. I would love them to fix the convergence, but don't expect that'll happen.
For the T10 to be the top Thargoid interceptor killier, it would need a speed of over 450 and 4 hardpoints that have a tight convergence. This won't happen. FDev obviously doesn't care about the T10 anymore. Or, remove the arbitrary 4 hardpoint limit on AX weapons and see what a T10 can do with 9 AX weapons
It's not the best ship at anything. Neither was the Millenium Falcon. The T10 is my millenium falcon, I have more fun in that ship than any other ship in the game, all your min max numbers be damned
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If it hadn't that miserable supercruise turning rate I'd use it as an explorer too, but I tend to overshoot things due to forum posting...
I think the overall point is such a balance change would arguably make the T10D OP given how the rest of the ship is (and how other ships are) balanced.For the T10 to be the top Thargoid interceptor killier, it would need a speed of over 450 and 4 hardpoints that have a tight convergence. This won't happen. FDev obviously doesn't care about the T10 anymore. Or, remove the arbitrary 4 hardpoint limit on AX weapons and see what a T10 can do with 9 AX weapons
As for removing the 4 Hardpoint limit on AX/Guardian/Experimental weapons, I think they have kept that limit for balancing reasons across the board.
The T10 was clearly designed in accordance with and kept in line with the lore that resulted in it's introduction. If people are expecting any balance revisions beyond minor then effectively we are talking about introducing a new ship. Like it or not, the T10D is fairly balanced as-is - FD did not mess up, lore wise: the T10D was released as a stop-gap design with the Chieftain/Challenger/Crusader ships being the long term answer.
If any serious or significant update to to the T10D design is in the offing, then we are most likely talking about something along the lines of a T11 Avenger (or something like that) - essentially a totally new ship design based on similar core principles but perhaps trading off at least some of the current benefits of the T10D for the kind of things some are asking for. The price tag would notionally be updated appropriately too.
shut up and take my money. (type 11 sounds sexy)
The best solution to the Combat Type-10 I’ve come up with:
Park the Type-10 and fly an Anaconda.
Park the Type-10 and fly an Anaconda.
I tried the T-10 as a Thargoid scout "killer" very recently, but abandoned it as a bad idea and went back to the Krait Phantom. It may be the same problem I had with it in PvE combat - poor manoueverability:
but fit a SLF and the T-10 becomes very effective at PvE, assuming the weapons are sufficiently engineered for efficiency, etc. etc. It is like a massive weapons base supporting the SLF.
Presumably, this was the idea for it to be a Thargoid killer, but I can't see it working against Scouts on its own, which are just too fast for it, and SLFs are no match for the bigger Thargoids (are they any good against scouts?). But then, as OP has said, it is intended to fight as a defender with other ships.
Unless someone has got it to work on its own against Thargoids ? ..............
Meanwhile, it's a splendid Explorer
Sorry to resurect this, but I was going to try a T-10 against scouts myself after seeing this post on Reddit:
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/em9una/triple_elite_finally_1813_scouts_have_been_harmed/
After reading your post, I'm having second thoughts. What weapons did you fit? Did you try 4x large turreted AX MCs firing at will?
Thanks!!
You might want to try this one....all turrets, no maneuverability required. The Fighter hangar is optional for quick leveling up of your pilot. Use this for Thread 4 NHSS...even the occasional 7 scout NHSS is a piece of cake with it. 4 pips SYS, 1 ENG, 1 WEP. Have fun
https://s.orbis.zone/5m4r
https://s.orbis.zone/5m4r
I recently got a T10 and kitted it for mining, but I haven't been able to actually use it yet.
I was also thinking something similar to a lot of builds in here: make it an absolute tank for the NPC to fly, and then i will control the fighters
I was also thinking something similar to a lot of builds in here: make it an absolute tank for the NPC to fly, and then i will control the fighters
They were conventional weapons, no AX weapons, and although some were turretted, not all.
With hindsight, I should have gone AX turretted route, which would make it a more potent figthing machine against Thargoids, I suspect.
What about a mix of AX turrets in the large, then advanced multis with AX ammo everywhere else?
Sure, why not ? That's what I like about the T-10 ... there are so many possibilities for loadouts with this ship.
I am introducing a friend to the game and we are doing some Cowboy Beebop type stuff where he is an interceptor and I am a mobile artillery piece/loot storage. I recently cleaned out my bank to buy the T-10 and was wondering how I should build it for a gunboat/support ship. Cant believe after 200 hours i still feel like a complete newbie.
Boy is this thing a chungus.
First post on the forum too, hopefully it isn't the last in the thread!
Welcome !
I had a lot of fun the other day with a combination of 4 large autocannon turrets with longrange mod, and a combination of experimentals, 3 medium turreted burst lasers (also longrange), and 2 small fixed long range auto cannons (though long range rails work pretty well here too - useful for potting ships that run). This combo doesn't require a lot of energy in weapons, so you can keep the shields buffed or move power to engines to try and keep up with the fight.
Really wish they would give us a bit more straight line speed with this ship.