Completely agreed with Connie nerfs... although I still believe the entire line of ships needs a good balance pass at the same time to ensure they're all good at something but not overshadowing others.
Ships Type-10 Released!
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Completely agreed with Connie nerfs... although I still believe the entire line of ships needs a good balance pass at the same time to ensure they're all good at something but not overshadowing others.
It can die better.
All they need to do is add another Class 8 slot to the Type 9 and it would be back in the game. If people said that’s balance destroying then make one or both the class 8s cargo only.
It’s funny though, while the T-10 doesn’t seem to be able to compete with the Anaconda for combat, for me, at least on paper, it looks VERY competitive for bulk trading. Much more so thatn the T-9. If I didn’t have my Cutter I am not sure which ship would be better, it might not be straightforward. The debates may be long lasting.
What is also interesting is it seems that Frontier’s attempt to make this ship great at combat is (very early on) not turning out too well. People seem to see this ship as a trader still, albeit with much better defences. Not being a combat expert I can’t say why but that seems to be the early consensus? Perhaps the T-10 will shine after folks figure out how to best use its strengths?
What would be interesting to me is how the T-10 compares to something like the FGS for anti-xeno?
You're right. They should have dangled a cowbell from the top of the cockpit instead.
Good call. Must remove the cowbell line from my sig when I’m next on my pc.
there's nothing wrong with the anaconda as is, those who complain about it probably don't have one or two of them. besides this new t-10 (t-9 with a spoiler) with everything engineered to grade 5 with add-on's still is dismal at best, so why knock the anaconda? we have received another flying brick that after spending over a half a billion on it, handles, jumps and combats worse than most anything else in the fleet. that being said leave the anaconda alone and wait for the balance pass on the t-10 (if we get one)
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Nope. I watched obsidian ant destroy one and it’s thargons Solo earlier one. In his first fight, apparently. Not bad for a ship he’d never flown before. He also amusingly forgot the shutdown blocker. So •despite• being out of commission for how many seconds, he managed to survive and bring it down. The T10 IS the toughest Hull tank in the game. Hardness 75 helps.
Why is it a problem that some ships are better than others for specific roles and prices? Those of us who use Anaconda have chosen it because it's cost-effective for what we want it to do and we enjoy flying it. Others seem to use T9 and now T10, or smaller ships, for similar reasons. It would be boring if nerfing and buffing made all ships equivalent.
If you don't like the stats a ship has, just don't fly it.
If you don't like the stats a ship has, just don't fly it.
Well I'm in the process of engineering mine. Liking it so far!
Damn right. Class 8 Fuel scoop can net you 1.8T per second. And if she’s cool running, that will be sweet! Very tempted.
Distro needs to go up to class 7 and Frontier need to stop panicking and protecting Anaconda every few minutes; if they want people to use other ships and spend 500+ mil then they need to make the choices worthwhile.
The type-10 has massive potential. Unrealised potential. Also watching hardpoints not deploy properly irks. It’s a good ship. Tanky. Just the usual frontier misstep on relative value. Also what is with the SC handling. That’s just weird.
So much potential though.
The type-10 has massive potential. Unrealised potential. Also watching hardpoints not deploy properly irks. It’s a good ship. Tanky. Just the usual frontier misstep on relative value. Also what is with the SC handling. That’s just weird.
So much potential though.
I dunno if that will make the ship effective against Thargoids, but it would sure make it more flexible for many other users. It’s the one thing I would change for sure.
lol, right?
The problem is that most of the ships in the game are designed so that each has their own major weakness. What is the Anaconda's major weakness?
The idea isn't to make all ships equivalent, it's to use the same idea of what "balance" means when designing them. For most ships in the game, "balance" means, "good at some things, but weak in some areas". For the Anaconda (and the Python to a lesser degree) "balance" means "awesome at everything". Those two design philosophies shouldn't exist within the same game, it's broken.
So again, the question is: What is the Anaconda's major weakness?
Have FD said that every ship must have a major weakness? That seems an odd design decision to me. The Python and Anaconda are certainly popular, but I don't think it would be true to say that they can beat all other ships at anything, and I don't see why their popularity should disturb users of other ships.
But to answer your question (why is it "the question"?) I would say that the Anaconda's "weakness" is it's price. It's good at many things, but it might not always be cost-effective. There's also the fact that it needs a large pad and handles slowly with lots of drifting.
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FD doesn't need to specifically say their design is that ships have weaknesses, it's pretty explicit in the design of most ships. Look at most all the complaints about ships - "Ship X is so close to perfect, except for Y! Why did they do Y! It ruins it!" It's pretty clear those are intentional choices on FD's part - weak jump ranges, limited internals, power constraints, weak distros, bad shields, low speeds, bad hardpoint placements, etc.
The ships that lack any such major flaws like that clearly stand out.
The Anacondas price and large pad are not "flaws" like that. Those things are common to all similar ships - the Corvette, the Cutter, the Type 10. You can claim "some driftiness" as a flaw, but if that's all you can come up with, I'm going to consider my point proven.
Give it (and the Python) reasonable hull masses for their size and internals. That'd go a very long way to making whole fleet more consistent and prevent the "but this new ship is pointless, given the Anaconda/Python"-syndrome.
The Anaconda's disavantages are not many I agree, needs a nerf fast.
Out of the big 3 (Cutter, Anaconda and Corvette ) Anacondas disadvantages are only
1) Inferior firing power
2) Terrible shield
3) Inferior cargo space
4) The ugliest by far
5) Too few military compartments
6) Weak boost
7) Inferior mass lock factor
8) No size 8 which is what makes Cutter an uber tank with an 8B shield cell, massive diffirence vs size 7
9) Second worst agility of the 3
10) It's everywhere and very popular with NPCs, boring
11) Great for exploration but don't die because that insurance is going to hurt
12) Again for exploration great but scanning planets is .... wait... wait.... I missed one, let me loop turn and try again... 1 hour later... yeah I got this one, next.
Other than these minor details Anaconda is the best ship in the game but you have to be really drank to believe it.
Yes I do have an Anaconda, I use it only for tourist missions. Python remains my favorite by very, very far. If tourist missions got nerfed its going down the sale route, very , very fast.
You have permission to nerf Anaconda all you want, I am not going to notice unless you reduce its jump range. The rest is from mehhh to ok.
Out of the big 3 (Cutter, Anaconda and Corvette ) Anacondas disadvantages are only
1) Inferior firing power
2) Terrible shield
3) Inferior cargo space
4) The ugliest by far
5) Too few military compartments
6) Weak boost
7) Inferior mass lock factor
8) No size 8 which is what makes Cutter an uber tank with an 8B shield cell, massive diffirence vs size 7
9) Second worst agility of the 3
10) It's everywhere and very popular with NPCs, boring
11) Great for exploration but don't die because that insurance is going to hurt
12) Again for exploration great but scanning planets is .... wait... wait.... I missed one, let me loop turn and try again... 1 hour later... yeah I got this one, next.
Other than these minor details Anaconda is the best ship in the game but you have to be really drank to believe it.
Yes I do have an Anaconda, I use it only for tourist missions. Python remains my favorite by very, very far. If tourist missions got nerfed its going down the sale route, very , very fast.
You have permission to nerf Anaconda all you want, I am not going to notice unless you reduce its jump range. The rest is from mehhh to ok.
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The Anaconda is great but other ships excel it for core gaming roles:
* For exploration I think a reasonable argument could be made that the Asp Explorer is a superior exploration ship than the Anaconda. I consider the Asp Explorer to be superior.
* For bulk trading the Imperial Cutter is better than the Anaconda.
* For combat the Anaconda is really good but so are many other ships. This area of the game is the one I am least familiar with but it sounds like the FDL, the FGS, the Corvette, and the Cutter are competitive depending on the situation?
* If you are part of the Narn school of mining the Corvette is probably a superior miner to the Anaconda?
* Where the Anaconda does really shine for me is missions. Mixing cargo and passenger missions and looping through allied systems this ship’s famous flexibilty really shines here.
The Anaconda is competitive in all these roles however, but I don’t know if makes it unbalanced.
* For exploration I think a reasonable argument could be made that the Asp Explorer is a superior exploration ship than the Anaconda. I consider the Asp Explorer to be superior.
* For bulk trading the Imperial Cutter is better than the Anaconda.
* For combat the Anaconda is really good but so are many other ships. This area of the game is the one I am least familiar with but it sounds like the FDL, the FGS, the Corvette, and the Cutter are competitive depending on the situation?
* If you are part of the Narn school of mining the Corvette is probably a superior miner to the Anaconda?
* Where the Anaconda does really shine for me is missions. Mixing cargo and passenger missions and looping through allied systems this ship’s famous flexibilty really shines here.
The Anaconda is competitive in all these roles however, but I don’t know if makes it unbalanced.
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1) Anaconda still holds the largest jump range (even past the AspX) and it has a lot more internals choices available to it as well as being more survivable.
2) Cutter also costs a lot more than an Anaconda, and is rank walled- the amount of cargo is negligible in comparison when you consider those factors alone.
3) People don't typically buy an Anaconda for straight combat- they buy it because it's survivable in combat. Big difference here.
4) Haven't mined too much let alone in an Annie or a Corvette, so don't have an opinion here.
5) Anaconda multiroles really well, that was the intended purpose- the problem is that it outshines almost every other ship in that aspect as well as its mass/weight/size ratio being severely imbalanced.
Yes, it's imbalanced... and people saying "it's foin" aren't kidding anyone.
I'm also sure FD is quite well aware of it, they're probably just trying to wrap their heads around how to nerf it without causing massive whine threadnoughts.
Sure, it's always easier to lock the door to begin with than to lock it later- but the damage has already been done and now damage control is in order.
Hey here's an idea... if people want to keep it lightweight and all, FD can just hardcap all the base resistances on the Anaconda to 10% to compensate. Then no matter how much engineering you add, it's always going to be brittle as hell to make up for that mass balance issue. I mean, if it's made of carbon fiber it has to be "brittle", right?
Cue the "This is why we can't have nice things!!" "#DONTNERFMAHCONNIE!"
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