Ships Type 8 worse for mining than the Python?

[Moirai]

Some people aren't happy until everything has been min-maxed to absolute perfection.

Too true.

If you are inclined to try the pre-engineered lasers and need Osmium, give me a shout. I'm currently sitting on about 350tn of it on my FC. Happy to sell some to you at a reasonable price (as in not stupidly inflated like most FC's) when I'm back in the bubble later in the week.

 

[Greasetrap42]

It kind of makes no sense that the class-7 universal limpet controller can control 8 limpets, but the class-7 collector limpet controller can only control 4 limpets. There's quite literally no reason to use a class-7 collector limpet controller instead of a universal one...

Also, the universal controller limpets range, speed, and lifespan. All better.

 

[SergMx]

I'm using this: https://edsy.org/s/vfIN1nU now and restoring osmium small deposit on FC which I have used for buy small engineered lasers. Initial testing is clear, weapons focused PD is good idea, my first mined rock depleted energy for lasers at 15% remaining. 11 collector limpets is nicely fast with filling cargo with fragments. Type-8 maneuverability around rock is very good. T8 drift is almost nonexistent, so moving towards/breaking rock is very smooth.

Additional observation. armored PP (monstered) have no temperature issue with fuel scooping (lvl6). Overcharges lvl4 was too much for comfortable fast fuel scoop. Ship speed limit for prospector safe release is below 100 m/s (using 3A controller in lvl4 slot).

You can sacrifice 1 drone (10 for the place of 11) but already there will be 192 places (for the place of 128).

EDSY

EDSY is a ship outfitting tool for Elite Dangerous

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P.S. no change size shield, multi-drone place in 4 class.

 

[K Olley]

You can sacrifice 1 drone (10 for the place of 11) but already there will be 192 places (for the place of 128).

3+3+4=10, 8+3+2=13 your maths is wrong.

Using a mining multi-limpet controller will also give you a reduced yield of of every rock mined compared with an A rated prospector.

 

[SergMx]

3+3+4=10, 8+3+2=13 your maths is wrong.

Using a mining multi-limpet controller will also give you a reduced yield of of every rock mined compared with an A rated prospector.

He wrote 11 for the collection. I thought that geologist droids can't be turned into collectors, so it's 8+3 = 11.
That's what it said.
I calculated that in my scheme there could be 10 collectors.

And as far as I know drone rating and class only affect range, mass, power consumption, quantity. But in no way affect how much they will get minerals.

Prospector Limpet Controller

Limpets controlled by this module can be fired at the surface of a mineable [sic] asteroids to discover the composition of it, aiding in efficient mining. Once deployed the information about composition can [sic] be obtained via targeting the limpet and consulting the cockpit interface.In-Game...

elite-dangerous.fandom.com

 

[K Olley]

He wrote 11 for the collection. I thought that geologist droids can't be turned into collectors, so it's 8+3 = 11.
That's what it said.
I calculated that in my scheme there could be 10 collectors.

Yes 11 collectors plus 2 prospectors.

yours has 10 limpets that includes any that you use for prospectors, so unless you work without prospectors it means a maximum of 9 collectors.

I know that you can destroy a fired prospector and then gain another collector but that means you cannot fire another prospector until a collector from the multi limpet controller expires.

These problems were exposed when the multi limpet controllers were first introduced.

 

[SergMx]

Yes 11 collectors plus 2 prospectors.

yours has 10 limpets that includes any that you use for prospectors, so unless you work without prospectors it means a maximum of 9 collectors.

I know that you can destroy a fired prospector and then gain another collector but that means you cannot fire another prospector until a collector from the multi limpet controller expires.

These problems were exposed when the multi limpet controllers were first introduced.

I understand. But still, 9 drones isn't that small with a 64-ton cargo increase.

 

[Greasetrap42]

And as far as I know drone rating and class only affect range, mass, power consumption, quantity. But in no way affect how much they will get minerals.

From the article you posted,

 

[K Olley]

I understand. But still, 9 drones isn't that small with a 64-ton cargo increase.

No but if you factor in the extra time for fighting with the multi controller and the reduced yield meaning that more rocks have to be mined for the same amount mined the extra 64 ton will probably double your mining time which would mean you could do 2 x 128 ton mining trips instead of 1 x 192 ton.

 

[SergMx]

No but if you factor in the extra time for fighting with the multi controller and the reduced yield meaning that more rocks have to be mined for the same amount mined the extra 64 ton will probably double your mining time which would mean you could do 2 x 128 ton mining trips instead of 1 x 192 ton.

I hear you. But I'd rather fly 192, if you'd rather fly 128 twice, that's your right.

You need to understand the difference between cargo bay classes and drones.
I can throw away one bay for 64 (level it up to 128) and have a whole 6th slot that can be used however I want.

 

[DjVortex]

There's quite literally no reason to use a class-7 collector limpet controller instead of a universal one...

In retrospect, there is one: The collector limpet controller can be engineered for weight (to reduce it by up to 80%), while the universal controller cannot.

If weight management is crucial for some reason, it could be an option.

 

[K Olley]

I hear you. But I'd rather fly 192, if you'd rather fly 128 twice, that's your right.

Its not the volume its the speed and efficiency.

Most of my mining now is done out in the black and I now only mine for Tritium (carrier fuel) or on the rare occasion there is a mining CG. (or when I get bored)

I started mining in a T6 before the time of the DSS and have mined on and off since then, I still carry a mining capable Asp Scout for hunting down Tritium way out in the black, it enables me to do a little mining while waiting for the carrier to jump to me carrying a proper miner. I also carry or can assemble from modules carried both core and SSD miners.

Don't really like to boast but if you check INARA's Top Tens page you will see my name listed in the minerals refined list.

 

[DjVortex]

Most of my mining now is done out in the black and I now only mine for Tritium

How do you make the limpets only collect tritium fragments? Do you add everything else to the ignore list?

 

[V'larr]

My thoughts. Fly what you want to fly. Do what you want to do in the ship you want to do it in.

And if some Tefal head wants to crunch numbers, tell them they are welcome, but you will do what you want to do.

If mining in a Sidewinder is your thing, then it doesn't matter if a Python or Anaconda or a Type 7 does it better. What matters is you are happy.

All these people want to do is kill your happiness because they think that everything should revolve around optimization.

I think this is wrong and uncalled for.

Obviously anybody can play the way they want to play. Inherently that is something that cannot be advised upon, and I really don't think anybody needs to be validated (unless they're asking for it deliberately, I suppose) for doing the thing all gamers already inherently do.

But if someone is looking for information to make informed choices with, there are objective observations about the numbers and variables present in the game with clear & evident answers about what is better than other options present.

Platitudes about playing your way both get in the way of sharing that information and can be actively detrimental to the validity of the information to be found & given.

Nothing about the process of learning the intricacies about a game, at all, has anything to do with killing anyone's happiness, and I strongly resent it every time you or someone else makes that kind of allegation. It is such a bizarre phenomenon in the gaming world, and it's especially bad how pervasive it seems to be around the Elite community.

 

[K Olley]

How do you make the limpets only collect tritium fragments? Do you add everything else to the ignore list?

Short answer Yes

Its a case of knowing how to use the contacts panel properly.

First off when I said yes that is yes to metals and minerals, or mined commodities, Do Not turn off any of your raw materials, when a raw's bin is full the limpets will automatically stop collecting that particular raw, as soon as you use some they will automatically collect it again.

After you have fired a few seconds laser at a rock if you look in the contacts panel you can then ignore anything that you don't want to collect, the material will grey out and drop to the bottom of the list, if at a later date you want to re-activate that material you first have to find and fire at a rock that contains that material, it will then appear in the contacts panel greyed out you can then un-ignore it again.

Going back to the raw mats, If you keep an eye on them any bins that fill up easily and you don't really need can be traded at a mats trader.

Mining from a carrier as I do gives you certain advantages (storage space), it allows you to collect multiple materials and then choose when to sell them, it also allows you to mine easily out in the black (500+ly from civilisation) where every ring is pristine and no NPC's.

 

[K Olley]

Forgot to mention, when mining on my way back to civilisation I also at times mine for Bromellite, in certain systems you can get a very good price if your rep is high enough on the mission boards, there are also some carriers that want to buy find them via INARA.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

I think this is wrong and uncalled for.

Obviously anybody can play the way they want to play. Inherently that is something that cannot be advised upon, and I really don't think anybody needs to be validated (unless they're asking for it deliberately, I suppose) for doing the thing all gamers already inherently do.

But if someone is looking for information to make informed choices with, there are objective observations about the numbers and variables present in the game with clear & evident answers about what is better than other options present.

Platitudes about playing your way both get in the way of sharing that information and can be actively detrimental to the validity of the information to be found & given.

Nothing about the process of learning the intricacies about a game, at all, has anything to do with killing anyone's happiness, and I strongly resent it every time you or someone else makes that kind of allegation. It is such a bizarre phenomenon in the gaming world, and it's especially bad how pervasive it seems to be around the Elite community.

Well, OP wasn't looking for advice as far i can tell. He was stating their opinion on it. I stated mine.

 

[V'larr]

Well, OP wasn't looking for advice as far i can tell. He was stating their opinion on it. I stated mine.

The OP has shared observations about the ship based upon examining the numbers & variables involved, and also ingame experience using it. The discussion that has followed has further referred to factual, objective observations to consider when comparing the ship to other options.

None of that is a matter of "opinion".

You are free to use the ship for mining, if you like to do so, as a matter of course. That does not change the observations about the ship made in this thread, and it is beneficial to be aware of the considerations and potential tradeoffs made by making that choice.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

The OP has shared observations about the ship based upon examining the numbers & variables involved, and also ingame experience using it. The discussion that has followed has further referred to factual, objective observations to consider when comparing the ship to other options.

None of that is a matter of "opinion".

You are free to use the ship for mining, if you like to do so, as a matter of course. That does not change the observations about the ship made in this thread, and it is beneficial to be aware of the considerations and potential tradeoffs made by making that choice.

For sure, they gave stats, and their opinion on the matter, and I gave mine, which is put fun before numbers.

That's why I have a Python Mk2 with turretted frags.

 

[Greasetrap42]

My thoughts. Fly what you want to fly. Do what you want to do in the ship you want to do it in.

And if some Tefal head wants to crunch numbers, tell them they are welcome, but you will do what you want to do.

If mining in a Sidewinder is your thing, then it doesn't matter if a Python or Anaconda or a Type 7 does it better. What matters is you are happy.

All these people want to do is kill your happiness because they think that everything should revolve around optimization.

It is reasonable in a subforum for Ships and Engineers, in a thread comparing two ships for there to be discussion and comparison of ship stats, numbers, and performance. Obviously anybody can fly whatever ship they want for fun. And they absolutely should because this is a game for entertainment. But the focus of this thread is comparing the effectiveness of two ships at a certain activity along with various ship builds. The OP is not trying to compare which is more fun.