UA Mystery thread 4 - The Canonn

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You have explained exceptionally succinctly where I tried and failed numerous times last night (no formal study here, just a popsci freak) - I wanted to interject with 'depends whether time passed is for "us" or the generation ship' but then couldn't back it up with the actual science.

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Thanks. Yeah, intro special relativity is taught in modern physics, which I happened to love and then ended up being a teaching assistant in.
 
Are you saying that that equation is wrong? Because KellyR is right if we assume that 0.6c is the speed of the ship as observed from outside the ship. The thing you're talking about is length contraction, not time dilation, although the two are related. To an observer on the ship, the distance to their destination will actually be shorter than to an outside observer. But, what we're talking about here is what an outside observers sees, because we're the ones looking for the ship.

For completeness the time experienced by someone traveling at a constant 0.6c for say 1000 years is t'=t*sqrt(1-v2/c2) where t' is the time observed in the ship and t is the time observed by us. So according to the clock on the ship 800 years have passed while 1000 years have passed for us. Similarly while we would see the ship travel 600 light years in 1000 years times, that distance would actually appear to be shorter to an observer on the ship by a factor of 80%, so 480 light years. In addition to an outside observer, the ship itself would appear to be contracted parallel to its direction of travel. And if we could actually look in the window of the ship everything would appear to be moving at four-fifths speed, while to the people in the ship looking out we'd appear to be sped up.

Sorry, special relativity was one of my favs in undergrad.
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My understanding is that we would also appear slowed down from their perspective. The Lorentz factor ( 1/sqrt(1-(v/c)^2) ) is the same for all observers, regardless of their reference frame. To them, we are travelling at 0.6c and they would see our clocks going 80% slower and our length in the direction of travel contracted 80%.
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Would it be helpful to acquire a UA prior to Horizons going live to see if the behaviour changes upon release (in case they are hard to come by)? Or should I try and verify the existence of the UA shell around Merope once it arrives? I do want to try a couple of practise landings before heading for Merope but I'm happy to go searching for them first. I get the impression people are expecting to see them around still but I just feel uneasy taking it for granted...
 
It's often the case that non-native speakers have a better grasp of these nuances of English!

I think it's because English grammar awareness is not drilled into us all at school when we learn our own language, lol.

Speaking for myself - I learned more about English, grammar and construction etc, by learning French and German (sadly left me now because I'm a typical lazy Englishman)

You're totally right, same thing goes with French haha. I often make stupid mistakes then think about them and facepalm.

But while I find mistakes such as your/you're or it's/its quite normal, others like affect/effect and especially hangar/hanger surprise me - in a good way if I may say so. It's really interesting.

Sorry to have gone off-topic. :)

(Next time we speak I want to hear your French hehe.)
 
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You're totally right, same thing goes with French haha. I often make stupid mistakes then think about them and facepalm.

But while I find mistakes such as your/you're or it's/its quite normal, others like affect/effect and especially hangar/hanger surprise me - in a good way if I may say so. It's really interesting.

Sorry to have gone off-topic. :)

(Next time we speak I want to hear your French hehe.)

An XKCD for every topic! https://xkcd.com/326/

(PS, comic is for humorous reference, not accusing anyone of being grammar police, although the verb version of effect took me by surprise too, had to do some googling to verify it was a thing)
 
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My understanding is that we would also appear slowed down from their perspective. The Lorentz factor ( 1/sqrt(1-(v/c)^2) ) is the same for all observers, regardless of their reference frame. To them, we are travelling at 0.6c and they would see our clocks going 80% slower and our length in the direction of travel contracted 80%.
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Would it be helpful to acquire a UA prior to Horizons going live to see if the behaviour changes upon release (in case they are hard to come by)? Or should I try and verify the existence of the UA shell around Merope once it arrives? I do want to try a couple of practise landings before heading for Merope but I'm happy to go searching for them first. I get the impression people are expecting to see them around still but I just feel uneasy taking it for granted...

Yep, I think you are correct. I knew I'd make a mistake in there somewhere. But yeah, according to someone moving 0.6c in our frame at rest, we'd appear to be moving 0.6c to them and so both observers would see a more slowly ticking clock. My bad.

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Slightly off-topic, because I couldn't get an answer to this in the other thread where I asked it. Does anyone know if, when 2.0 drops, if my ship, which is a little over halfway to the core, will have a planetary landing module automatically installed? Or, will I have to schlep all the way back to the bubble to get one installed?
 
The Wings trailer is the Genesis of UA mythologi :)

Yup - funny how many people seem to have not seen it considering the unknown artefacts mentioned in it are what got people asking about things in space and started this whole threadnaut ..


Slightly off-topic, because I couldn't get an answer to this in the other thread where I asked it. Does anyone know if, when 2.0 drops, if my ship, which is a little over halfway to the core, will have a planetary landing module automatically installed? Or, will I have to schlep all the way back to the bubble to get one installed?

In the beta you had to go back and install - i dont see how it will get automatically installed since you pay for them just like everything else in outfitting. happy schleping :)
 
Slightly off-topic, because I couldn't get an answer to this in the other thread where I asked it. Does anyone know if, when 2.0 drops, if my ship, which is a little over halfway to the core, will have a planetary landing module automatically installed? Or, will I have to schlep all the way back to the bubble to get one installed?

It will not have the planetary landing module automatically install. Deep Space explorers will have to return home.

I blame Frontier for the confusion as they were the ones that original said everyone would get the module automatically an then change their minds.
 
How would one go about finding which systems lie on the Sol - Tau Ceti vector, out a few hundred ly?

nevermind. math is cool. if one were looking for a system in that vector, at 722.4 ly out for example, it'd be at approximately sector (-18:-691:-210). This of course depends on how accurately I estimated the coordinates of Tau Ceti from the galaxy map, which I said was (-3:-11.5:-3.5)
 
How would one go about finding which systems lie on the Sol - Tau Ceti vector, out a few hundred ly?

I would not be to concernd about the vector. They may well have changed cource in Tau Ceti.

I think is is more interesting to know why they continued on from Tau Ceti?

Did they find something that pointed somwhere?
 
I would not be to concernd about the vector. They may well have changed cource in Tau Ceti.

I think is is more interesting to know why they continued on from Tau Ceti?

Did they find something that pointed somwhere?

Or maybe gravitational lensing bent their trajectory....

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I would not be to concernd about the vector. They may well have changed cource in Tau Ceti.

I think is is more interesting to know why they continued on from Tau Ceti?

Did they find something that pointed somwhere?


Was there a mutiny...?
 
Right I'm off to get inebriated at a family dinner.

See you guys later for FIGHT CLUB.

;)

Right, carry on - as you were.
 
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