Really nice post Stryder295 !
UA Search re: Halsey, Galnet, Federation variables.
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Hi Popov,
You'll have to read my previous post in order to understand some of the things I am writing in this one.
After reading through all of the FFE articles I was not able to find any more articles directly relating to the Antares incident, other than the 2 that you mentioned in your first post on this thread. I did find an article that has a kind of round about connection though. The article is "MEDICAL CENTRE DESTROYED IN NUCLEAR ATTACK" #532. In this article it talks about the secret INRA base on Hotice 1 where the Mycoid virus (and cure) was developed. What I find very interesting are the companies that are listed as owning the facility. Inter-Gal/Sirius. After the whole thing about the VP and the links to Core Dynamics I was thinking that maybe Sirius corp was innocent. This article would seem to suggest that they were very much involved with all of this. This just adds more fuel to the conspiracy regarding the Antares and SS1. Also take a look at this Galnet article (https://community.elitedangerous.com/galnet/uid/d4300ee6719838070a297fe1fd28006021a1587b), notice that the ones who are doing the analysis are Core Dynamics and Sirius. I wonder why nothing ever came of their analysis.
I've been trying to figure out how the Antares relates to all of this, and going off of your theory that it had a Thargoid derived fsd maybe the INRA used it as a test for their more potent version of the Mycoid virus. Then Halsey being good friends with the now dead VP decides to do some investigating and gets killed off because of it. Although I am not exactly sure how Mahon would have any info regarding any of this and what the connection to Azaleach would be. Also just to expand on your Thargoid fsd theory I think it's possible all of our fsd's are Thargoid based. Especially seeing as how we had at least a short term peace with them and from what I read in the FFE articles at least some scientific exchanges took place.
The one thing that is still bothering me is how exactly the UA's fit into all of this.
Ok on to some of the interesting articles that I ran into while doing all of this reasearch.
First up some info regarding the Thargoids. There has been a lot of talk in the main UA thread about the Thargoids and that we need to start preparing for war with them. I am not so sure about that. There is a series of articles in FFE that gives some pretty good info about the Thargoids. Aptly named and starting with "THE THARGOIDS - TRUTH AND FICTION -1" #262 and running to "THE THARGOIDS - TRUTH AND FICTION -13" #274. In article #275 Dr. Innitu talks about the Mycoid virus being why the Thargoids left and then in article #276 Dr. Innitu is assassinated. The theories presented by Dr. Innitu are later proven after peace with the Thargoids is established and we start talking to them about their culture and histoy.
Here are a couple articles that go together and show how opposed to war the Thargoids are. Also in these 2 articles is some very disturbing news. I am going to copy/past these 2 articles into the post as I want to highlight some things.
"ANOTHER SPECIES?" #506
Further details of Thargoid cultural history are coming to light as the co-operative team on the trans-species ship currently sitting North of the Edge are able to communicate in more depth with our newly re-discovered galactic neighbours. They are, as predicted by Professor Innitu, inherently peaceable although there appears to have been a long history of warfare in the period before the beginning of what it so be renamed the First Trans-Galactic Conflict (previously known as the Thargoid Wars). In an era corresponding to the second millennium and expanding into the early part of the third, the Thargoids were in a constant state of armed conflict. What is not yet clear from the details made available is whether the war was inter or intra species - that is, whether Tharg was fighting Tharg (Different races? Different Species? Different cultures? Different politics?) for dominance of a small sector of space or whether there was another, unnamed species involved. IF the latter was the case, then we must ask ourselves the question: do they still exist? If so, how are they? If not, how and why were they destroyed?
"COMMON HISTORY OF VIOLENCE" #507
Both sentient Galactic species share, it seems, a common history of violence. The difference is that whereas humanity confined itself to wiping out members of its own species in the hundreds of thousands in the name of religion and progress, the Thargoids wiped out an entire sentient species. The full details of the past are not clear yet. In fact, it is not entirely obvious whether the 'third race' is genuinely extinct or whether they have merely retreated out of range. The Thargoid's suggestion is that the third race is aggressive in intent, that it is being held back by fear of our joint technology and that it is likely to attack once more when it believes that its own technology has progressed to the point where it would win an all-out Galactic conflict. Their fear is that if the human/android race explores far beyond the current confines of inhabited space (as is likely once alien technology becomes widely available) then we may be at risk of attack and may even provoke a 'third race' attack on our relatively unprotected sector of the Galaxy. The alien inter-actors have been at pains to point out that they have no wish whatsoever to enter into any further conflict, with ourselves or any other sentient species and they would almost certainly avoid taking part in any such war unless their own home systems was under direct threat. That leaves us in an almost identical position to the one we were in a short time ago: there are sentients out there, we don't know where they are and we don't know what they want, but there's every chance that they will come and get us - sometime. In view of this, we advise that Federal citizens think carefully before travelling outwith the current safe zone.
Article #507 is quite alarming if you consider everything. What are we now in the midst of doing in game. We're using our newly created (and possibly Thargoid inspired) fsd's to explore all over the galaxy. We even have cmdr's who have been all the way to the farside of the galaxy and back. Hell, I've been to Sag A* and have a rank of Ranger. We're even building space stations in far away systems. A lot of people have said that the UA's don't seem to be Thargoid in origin and after everything I have learned about the them and the state of the galaxy I tend to agree. But we don't know anything about this third race other than that they are aggressive. Also they have had over 1000 years to improve their technology (article #506 says the Thargoids fought them into the early 3rd millennium which would be the early 2000's). So maybe the UA's belong to this third race. Although I still don't know why an alien race would use morse code.
Anyways I think I've typed enough for now. I'm gonna go actually play the game for awhile. There really isn't anything else I can think of that is extremely important but I will probably make another post with some more musing and tidbits of info I gleaned from my reasearch.
Also hi Rizal and hi Vithia. I was in the middle of typing up this post when all of you responded. Didn't want anyone to feel left out.
You'll have to read my previous post in order to understand some of the things I am writing in this one.
After reading through all of the FFE articles I was not able to find any more articles directly relating to the Antares incident, other than the 2 that you mentioned in your first post on this thread. I did find an article that has a kind of round about connection though. The article is "MEDICAL CENTRE DESTROYED IN NUCLEAR ATTACK" #532. In this article it talks about the secret INRA base on Hotice 1 where the Mycoid virus (and cure) was developed. What I find very interesting are the companies that are listed as owning the facility. Inter-Gal/Sirius. After the whole thing about the VP and the links to Core Dynamics I was thinking that maybe Sirius corp was innocent. This article would seem to suggest that they were very much involved with all of this. This just adds more fuel to the conspiracy regarding the Antares and SS1. Also take a look at this Galnet article (https://community.elitedangerous.com/galnet/uid/d4300ee6719838070a297fe1fd28006021a1587b), notice that the ones who are doing the analysis are Core Dynamics and Sirius. I wonder why nothing ever came of their analysis.
I've been trying to figure out how the Antares relates to all of this, and going off of your theory that it had a Thargoid derived fsd maybe the INRA used it as a test for their more potent version of the Mycoid virus. Then Halsey being good friends with the now dead VP decides to do some investigating and gets killed off because of it. Although I am not exactly sure how Mahon would have any info regarding any of this and what the connection to Azaleach would be. Also just to expand on your Thargoid fsd theory I think it's possible all of our fsd's are Thargoid based. Especially seeing as how we had at least a short term peace with them and from what I read in the FFE articles at least some scientific exchanges took place.
The one thing that is still bothering me is how exactly the UA's fit into all of this.
Ok on to some of the interesting articles that I ran into while doing all of this reasearch.
First up some info regarding the Thargoids. There has been a lot of talk in the main UA thread about the Thargoids and that we need to start preparing for war with them. I am not so sure about that. There is a series of articles in FFE that gives some pretty good info about the Thargoids. Aptly named and starting with "THE THARGOIDS - TRUTH AND FICTION -1" #262 and running to "THE THARGOIDS - TRUTH AND FICTION -13" #274. In article #275 Dr. Innitu talks about the Mycoid virus being why the Thargoids left and then in article #276 Dr. Innitu is assassinated. The theories presented by Dr. Innitu are later proven after peace with the Thargoids is established and we start talking to them about their culture and histoy.
Here are a couple articles that go together and show how opposed to war the Thargoids are. Also in these 2 articles is some very disturbing news. I am going to copy/past these 2 articles into the post as I want to highlight some things.
"ANOTHER SPECIES?" #506
Further details of Thargoid cultural history are coming to light as the co-operative team on the trans-species ship currently sitting North of the Edge are able to communicate in more depth with our newly re-discovered galactic neighbours. They are, as predicted by Professor Innitu, inherently peaceable although there appears to have been a long history of warfare in the period before the beginning of what it so be renamed the First Trans-Galactic Conflict (previously known as the Thargoid Wars). In an era corresponding to the second millennium and expanding into the early part of the third, the Thargoids were in a constant state of armed conflict. What is not yet clear from the details made available is whether the war was inter or intra species - that is, whether Tharg was fighting Tharg (Different races? Different Species? Different cultures? Different politics?) for dominance of a small sector of space or whether there was another, unnamed species involved. IF the latter was the case, then we must ask ourselves the question: do they still exist? If so, how are they? If not, how and why were they destroyed?
"COMMON HISTORY OF VIOLENCE" #507
Both sentient Galactic species share, it seems, a common history of violence. The difference is that whereas humanity confined itself to wiping out members of its own species in the hundreds of thousands in the name of religion and progress, the Thargoids wiped out an entire sentient species. The full details of the past are not clear yet. In fact, it is not entirely obvious whether the 'third race' is genuinely extinct or whether they have merely retreated out of range. The Thargoid's suggestion is that the third race is aggressive in intent, that it is being held back by fear of our joint technology and that it is likely to attack once more when it believes that its own technology has progressed to the point where it would win an all-out Galactic conflict. Their fear is that if the human/android race explores far beyond the current confines of inhabited space (as is likely once alien technology becomes widely available) then we may be at risk of attack and may even provoke a 'third race' attack on our relatively unprotected sector of the Galaxy. The alien inter-actors have been at pains to point out that they have no wish whatsoever to enter into any further conflict, with ourselves or any other sentient species and they would almost certainly avoid taking part in any such war unless their own home systems was under direct threat. That leaves us in an almost identical position to the one we were in a short time ago: there are sentients out there, we don't know where they are and we don't know what they want, but there's every chance that they will come and get us - sometime. In view of this, we advise that Federal citizens think carefully before travelling outwith the current safe zone.
Article #507 is quite alarming if you consider everything. What are we now in the midst of doing in game. We're using our newly created (and possibly Thargoid inspired) fsd's to explore all over the galaxy. We even have cmdr's who have been all the way to the farside of the galaxy and back. Hell, I've been to Sag A* and have a rank of Ranger. We're even building space stations in far away systems. A lot of people have said that the UA's don't seem to be Thargoid in origin and after everything I have learned about the them and the state of the galaxy I tend to agree. But we don't know anything about this third race other than that they are aggressive. Also they have had over 1000 years to improve their technology (article #506 says the Thargoids fought them into the early 3rd millennium which would be the early 2000's). So maybe the UA's belong to this third race. Although I still don't know why an alien race would use morse code.
Anyways I think I've typed enough for now. I'm gonna go actually play the game for awhile.
There really isn't anything else I can think of that is extremely important but I will probably make another post with some more musing and tidbits of info I gleaned from my reasearch.Also hi Rizal and hi Vithia. I was in the middle of typing up this post when all of you responded. Didn't want anyone to feel left out.
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Hi folks. I am an avid fan of the UA research, and going through the lore surrounding this, really reminds me of happy times playing Elite as a young child. Something that I can't find a clear-cut answer to though, is to what the "Antares Incident" was? I presume it is either a ship or a base that was either destroyed or vanished, but from scanning forum threads, I can only find references to it. Is someone please able to kindly summarise it for me, in a manner similar to that of what has happened to SS1, as that has made excellent sense in terms of the theories and lore surrounding the Thargoids and currently the UAs. Thank in advance, I really appreciate it
Ps - this thread is excellent, as it clearly summarises events regarding SS1 and gives them a good reference on timeline, so thank you also for writing this thread
Ps - this thread is excellent, as it clearly summarises events regarding SS1 and gives them a good reference on timeline, so thank you also for writing this thread
Hi folks. I am an avid fan of the UA research, and going through the lore surrounding this, really reminds me of happy times playing Elite as a young child. Something that I can't find a clear-cut answer to though, is to what the "Antares Incident" was? I presume it is either a ship or a base that was either destroyed or vanished, but from scanning forum threads, I can only find references to it. Is someone please able to kindly summarise it for me, in a manner similar to that of what has happened to SS1, as that has made excellent sense in terms of the theories and lore surrounding the Thargoids and currently the UAs. Thank in advance, I really appreciate it
Ps - this thread is excellent, as it clearly summarises events regarding SS1 and gives them a good reference on timeline, so thank you also for writing this thread
Hey sir ! If you want a "summarise" you can start to read this Galnet News : Remembering the Antares Incident
If the Thargoids fought the Third Race into the 2000s then maybe the Third Race passed by Sol at some point earlier and picked up morse transmissions from us. The UAs recognise us as being from Sol somehow and they are trying the one form of communication they know we should understand.
Interesting theory. Although anyone with Avon as their avatar gets my vote.
@Vithia - thank you for your link; it perfectly explained it, so now all the pieces of the story have come together for me. Cheers mate, and back to the UAs I will trek ... !
Stryder, excellent post as always, have a virtual rep!
To be honest, Vithia and I - when we first discussed the SS1/Antares Incident and started building our mindmap, thought the culprit was Sirius Corp indeed. Then my opinion changed when I focused on George Fallside. But you might as well be completely right! Vithia said to me the other day "hey Sirius Corp. never shared their info about the data chit they received, that looks shady", and you're both right!
Core Dynamics and Sirius Corp. might be working together. In our mindmap, they are next to each other btw.
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Now, about the third race. It looks very interesting, however I don't think they'd introduce another race just yet. Plus, everything started in the Pleiades, a Thargoid-related zone. The Thargoid faction is already created and can be found in the files apparently. Everything points to Thargoids. Or that's what some people want us to think.
But right now I'm focusing on finding the Antares. I've got the feeling it will help us find SS1. I guess it's too late for the people on board the Antares, but we can still save Halsey and her crew members. I want to believe.
To be honest, Vithia and I - when we first discussed the SS1/Antares Incident and started building our mindmap, thought the culprit was Sirius Corp indeed. Then my opinion changed when I focused on George Fallside. But you might as well be completely right! Vithia said to me the other day "hey Sirius Corp. never shared their info about the data chit they received, that looks shady", and you're both right!
Core Dynamics and Sirius Corp. might be working together. In our mindmap, they are next to each other btw.
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Now, about the third race. It looks very interesting, however I don't think they'd introduce another race just yet. Plus, everything started in the Pleiades, a Thargoid-related zone. The Thargoid faction is already created and can be found in the files apparently. Everything points to Thargoids. Or that's what some people want us to think.
But right now I'm focusing on finding the Antares. I've got the feeling it will help us find SS1. I guess it's too late for the people on board the Antares, but we can still save Halsey and her crew members. I want to believe.
Hey guys.. sorry for the silence.. Went to Vegas.
Check link.. I finally uploaded the Large Wreckage site. This is uncut.. so it has me staring at the odd sounding UA in front of the star.. then I fly around looking at the wreckage.. ending with a long range look at the total wreckage. I recommend that you skip to the end if you want to see the size I am talking about.
[video=youtube_share;QMIePNHdFIg]https://youtu.be/QMIePNHdFIg[/video]
Let me know your thoughts, and how this site compares to others.
Check link.. I finally uploaded the Large Wreckage site. This is uncut.. so it has me staring at the odd sounding UA in front of the star.. then I fly around looking at the wreckage.. ending with a long range look at the total wreckage. I recommend that you skip to the end if you want to see the size I am talking about.
[video=youtube_share;QMIePNHdFIg]https://youtu.be/QMIePNHdFIg[/video]
Let me know your thoughts, and how this site compares to others.
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Thats a huge wreckage site.
I was not able to find one similar in Merope in all my searching, so far.
seen wreckage sites of this size 3 or 4 times, since 1.4. went live (in very significant ( ;-) ) systems like Wredguia YD-B d5 or Synuefe IB-W d2-5.
Has anyone seen large wreckage sites pre-1.4?
If this size of wreckage sites are new to 1.4, then I would interpret that as additional support to the theory that we can or will find the SS1 or Anateres liner. What other reasons would they have for adding large sites to the game?
If you guys come across a wreckage site that is fairly large, try and visually check the larger pieces for any hull identifiers or names.
Awesome, thanks for sharing! That's what we're looking for, except that in these debris there should also be SS1 or the Antares. I expect to see a similar "graveyard of lost ships". Good job CMDR!
also seen wreckage sites of that size before 1.4. (doing a lot of salvaging missions at some point). but there is one type of wreckage size now, where i can't identify the ship(s) (normally they are clippers, anacondas...).
Just a brief thought, not really vetted:
We know that the SS1 and Anatares suffered similar catasrophic events.
We ASSUME the events are similar in nature, or even linked. We KNOW that the both ships spooled their FSD drives, therefore ending up somewhere else. We ASSUME the ships are destroyed.
Is there anything we can investigate, or any evidence to show the direction, distance, star type, systems info, etc... of their travel destination?
Maybe we can pinpoint or at least narrow down an area or system to search. I would be particularly interested in any data points that both scenarios share.
Just a thought, I'll spend time refining the idea. Essentially, are there any patterns related to the ship disappearances.
We know that the SS1 and Anatares suffered similar catasrophic events.
We ASSUME the events are similar in nature, or even linked. We KNOW that the both ships spooled their FSD drives, therefore ending up somewhere else. We ASSUME the ships are destroyed.
Is there anything we can investigate, or any evidence to show the direction, distance, star type, systems info, etc... of their travel destination?
Maybe we can pinpoint or at least narrow down an area or system to search. I would be particularly interested in any data points that both scenarios share.
Just a thought, I'll spend time refining the idea. Essentially, are there any patterns related to the ship disappearances.
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The galnet article said 'within 200LY of azaleach' IIRC.
Currently I am following the trail of crumbs in Galnet, checking out Warkushanui and 49 Arietis.
I noticed 2 things of slight interest... the systems above are an upward trajectory from Merope (slight tapering off at Warkushanui), averaging about 180 ly apart. I wonder if we can predict where the next "station malfunctions" will occur?
Secondly, anyone ever notice that Pranav Antal, a major power, has a system way out in deep space? I think it is 294 ly from 49 Arietis - a system on the edge of populated space. I am curious as to why a major power has invested the resources required to take a system so far away. Does Pranav have anything to do with the Sirius Corp, and their expansion?
Just my thoughts. Yours?
## Edit: Takarua is the system way out in the middle of no where... it is Sirius Corp related.
I noticed 2 things of slight interest... the systems above are an upward trajectory from Merope (slight tapering off at Warkushanui), averaging about 180 ly apart. I wonder if we can predict where the next "station malfunctions" will occur?
Secondly, anyone ever notice that Pranav Antal, a major power, has a system way out in deep space? I think it is 294 ly from 49 Arietis - a system on the edge of populated space. I am curious as to why a major power has invested the resources required to take a system so far away. Does Pranav have anything to do with the Sirius Corp, and their expansion?
Just my thoughts. Yours?
## Edit: Takarua is the system way out in the middle of no where... it is Sirius Corp related.
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You should ask it to the players pledged to Antal, because it was them who decided to expand there. There's a thread about it.