Update 14 and Beyond: Live and Legacy Modes

[Darth Ender]

I can already imagine:

"Soon to come:
Distant Worlds 3 Legacy.
Travel to the other side of the galaxy in Legacy Mode, while still being able to do your faction duties in the bubble in Normal Mode."

But if you can't flaunt your cmdr's stats about how many systems you've visited or how far you've gone what's the point? You can only make so many youtube videos of everyone in an instance jumping at once so many times before nobody cares anymore. I mean sure, there's the alcohol poisoning you'll get from being trashed while talking with other players also wasting their time going around the galaxy from empty system to empty system ...but is that really a pro or a con?

 

[angusmadmac1]

So there we have it ... I was expecting this a while ago . 3.8 has no effect on 4.0 .
So the empire can finally take over sol!!! .
As an explorer I wanted my name all over the place so that all can see . As a console player that's not going to happen .
Thanks Fdev for 6 years of fun .
I've transferred across but as it stands a PC isn't forth coming and won't be for many months if not years .
unfortunately console is no more .

 

[CMDR_Goldor]

Will Live and Legacy modes follow the same BGS mechanics/rulesets going forward? Or will those mechanics/rulesets diverge as future changes are introduced to Live mode?

 

[Angus Poindexter]

Lads, people need to read through Bruce's answers before asking him to clarify stuff, he's answering the same questions over and over again.

If you have Odyssey you have access to all of it. Odyssey and Horizons 4.0 (which are part of "live") and Horizons (3.8 Legacy).
If you do NOT have Odyssey, you have access to both versions of Horizons, 4.0 (live) and 3.8 (legacy) regardless if you currently own it, or buy it in the future.

Legacy and Live will be separate from each other as of U14. Legacy will no longer effect the "live" BGS nor will it receive narrative content. Nor will anyone have access to the servers for mods and messing. (At least not now)

Basically, there's no longer a reason to use legacy unless you want to be a holdout for whatever reason. (I'd have just binned it, myself)

Agree that there is no reason to play 3.8 unless your kit won't play 4.0 O/H or you can't afford to upgrade it. It was a case of picking a version and sticking to it; I don't have the time to maintain multiple versions. I am lucky to have the equipment to upgrade, so I'll be binning 3.8 myself.

 

[Ruurka]

Well, I'm still demand releasing at least Horizons 4.0 for consoles (even, if this could means some lags for us, console users).

Some console CMDR's (like me) mainly use PS/Xbox versions than PC version (since their PC's are weak, to be able to play with PC users or don't have it). We want move with PC versions, not stay back! Don't accrue us for additional costs!

And one more request: Please continue working about Odyssey for consoles. We're truly waited at least one and half year for releasing it. We don't want, that those work will be wasted against us!

Edit: P.S. What about trophy (PS) or Achievement (XBox) "A Real Team Player" for consoles? This decision locks any efforts to achieve this trophy/achievement.

 

[CMDR Sheehy]

3.8 and 4.0 are completely separate games after update 14. 3.8 won't see anything (including carriers) on 4.0 and vice versa.

The accounts are duplicated, hence the carrier exists in both Legacy and Live!

 

[Ian Doncaster]

I understand the separation and all, but what about CQC (rank and match-making)? Is this also doubled?

Match-making is already separate between 3.8 and 4.0 - though it's the one place where 4.0 Horizons and 4.0 Odyssey can meet - and rank will be separated in this because they're separate accounts from Tuesday.

 

[StuartGT]

That makes no difference to me (as I understand it anyway, that GForce only works on Xbox and not Playstation!), I play on Playstation and want to continue playing on Playstation!!

I've no interest in PC gaming or streaming PC gaming for that matter, and IF Frontier made JUST a bit more effort, they could at least allow many of us to continue playing the game properly on "next gen" consoles, even IF they want to pull this "Legacy" nonsense on "last gen" consoles and 3.8 PC

I like how you assume that the notoriously restrictive Sony would allow Frontier to release Elite Dangerous & Odyssey on PS5 without also releasing Odyssey on the ancient PS4. It's very funny

Unlucky that Sony won't allow GeForce Now on Playstation, that restricts so many possibilities unlike Xbox.

 

[Angus Poindexter]

I dont need to use an excuse, for some of us Odyssey is amazing.

O7

Totally agree mate, never had any serious problems with Odyssey.

 

[Felix DiCestria]

So... Everything that isn't nailed down goes onto PC and all carriers need to be out of the Bubble on the 28th...

 

[Darth Ender]

Will Live and Legacy modes follow the same BGS mechanics/rulesets going forward? Or will those mechanics/rulesets diverge as future changes are introduced to Live mode?

you answered your own question. This is explicitly stated in the post. It's the entire reason why they're separate universes. One is static except for player activity. The other will change.

 

[S0rkvild]

How many people play Horizons 4.0? I did a few comparisons by flying through traffic heavy sectors and in terms of player squares popping up 3.8 was in favor.

 

[Fizzatron]

I feel like I'm saying goodbye to a really good friend.

In a way, yes, but you can get to visit whenever the fancy takes you. I think it's a solid option for trips down memory lane.

 

[Elensar FFXI]

Greetings Commanders,

We have an important announcement to share with regards to future game modes as of Update 14 which is due 29 November! Read all about it on our website and let us know what you think in the comments below:

Elite Dangerous Update 14 and Beyond: Live and Legacy Modes - Elite Dangerous

Greetings Commanders. In our Access to 4.0 post from August, we mentioned that future content would only be available to players on the 4.0 framewo...

www.elitedangerous.com

O7

Very unfortunate for console players as they will no longer be able to participate in BGS play or CG play going forward... it's a real shame that those versions for all intents and purposes are absolutely abandoned now.

I realise the on-foot stuff isn't going to happen on console, they can't run it fair enough but is there no way that Consoles could be brought up to Horizons 4.0? It's a shame if we lose our console player base entirely.

 

[CMDR_Goldor]

you answered your own question. This is explicitly stated in the post. It's the entire reason why they're separate universes. One is static except for player activity. The other will change.

Thank you. I see the Forums are as they ever were...BGS is not explicitly stated in the post. It declares that the effects are completely separate between Live and Legacy. My question is about the Future State of the mechanics and rule sets the drive the BGS. Will those be be the same or different. HTH, clarify a bit.

 

[Willyum-71]

The accounts are duplicated, hence the carrier exists in both Legacy and Live!

I don't think that will be the case this time... I could be misunderstanding, but it sounds like 3.8 and 4.0 HAD persistent galaxies, but in 6 days when the Galaxies separate, All 3.8 Carriers will vanish from the 4.0 Galaxy and vice versa. So if you are in a Mamba with a 17LY jump range on one of those Carriers taking people out to the Jellyfish Nebula for the Palin unlock... or hitched a ferry ride to Colonia.... If that person is away for the holidays and you happen to be in the wrong universe, well... that's your new home! (obviously most people will log back in to the 'Other' account and bring those people back to the bubble... Or there will be people like me who will be willing to hop around rescuing stuck cmdrs... or at worst you could probably file a ticket to fdev to have tour cmdr moved). I know Bruce said you can care for 2 carriers if you chose to, but he never said they will both be interactive.

 

[Darth Ender]

Thank you. I see the Forums are as they ever were...BGS is not explicitly stated in the post. It declares that the effects are completely separate between Live and Legacy. My question is about the Future State of the mechanics and rule sets the drive the BGS. Will those be be the same or different. HTH, clarify a bit.

You dont need every little thing that involves development itemized in this case. It explicitly states that development will halt on legacy. the BGS getting development to support changes in how it works is development. If it requires a developer to do something, it's out. The only thing that keeps going on in legacy is the automatic tick processing and stat updating and such. That's why this distinction is being made. It allows fdev to make changes to things on the server side without having to update the clients for 3.8 and such to support those changes. Since they dont want to spend any money continuing work on 3.8

 

[Willyum-71]

Edit. didn't mean interactive... I mean the 2 carriers will be yours but your main cmdr will not be able to interact with your second cmdr's carrier... 1 carrier in 1 galaxy and your other carrier in the 'other galaxy'

 

[CMDR_Goldor]

You dont need every little thing that involves development itemized in this case. It explicitly states that development will halt on legacy. the BGS getting development to support changes in how it works is development. If it requires a developer to do something, it's out. The only thing that keeps going on in legacy is the automatic tick processing and stat updating and such. That's why this distinction is being made. It allows fdev to make changes to things on the server side without having to update the clients for 3.8 and such to support those changes. Since they dont want to spend any money continuing work on 3.8

You got a lot more out of the update than I did. Extrapolation is strong with this one. Thanks again.

 

[tanner1ie]

I like how you assume that the notoriously restrictive Sony would allow Frontier to release Elite Dangerous & Odyssey on PS5 without also releasing Odyssey on the ancient PS4. It's very funny

Unlucky that Sony won't allow GeForce Now on Playstation, that restricts so many possibilities unlike Xbox.

While I indeed don't know that much about GForce and as said, almost certainly won't use it...

Sony does allow separate "next gen" versions and separate "next gen" dlcs to existing "last gen " games.

They can't really stop them without alienating many developers who do just that!

While I can't really see a reason they would want to stop them - yes indeed, they don't allow developers release separate versions of games for base PS4 Vs PS4 Pro or to only release PS4 Pro exclusive games (beyond allowing the Pro run higher resolution or frame rate versions of the same games, as they already intended), because PS4 is supposed to all be one platform ...

But the PS5 is different to the PS4 and a native version of Elite on PS5 would be a different game to the PS4 version and whether it would have any connection to the PS4 version beyond an initial transfer, would be 100% Frontier's choice (however unlikely shared progress between two such versions would be now, or even before today's announcement!)

For example, Cyberpunk 2077 is getting a "next gen" only expansion in the form of Phantom Liberty, while Final Fantasy 15 got some "next gen" only content, to name just two games...

IF Frontier made "next gen" versions of Elite with or without Odyssey, I'm sure Sony'd be all too happy for it to exist for people to buy and keep playing on their systems!