Agree (probably why I prefer it), but from an effectivity in CZ view I still think they're comparable. The Clipper gains some kills/hour with its advantage in speed when hunting new targets, but looses a little in taking down big targets with 2L/2M setup.
"upgrading" from Clipper to Python has been underwhelming so far
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Agree (probably why I prefer it), but from an effectivity in CZ view I still think they're comparable. The Clipper gains some kills/hour with its advantage in speed when hunting new targets, but looses a little in taking down big targets with 2L/2M setup.
Clipper: Fast, agile, weak shields
Python: Slow but 2nd best shields in game (when using SCBs)
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Flying solo in a CZ it doesn't really matter which ship you choose. A decently upgraded Asp is enough to rack up the kills in a solo CZ.
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Just fly what you enjoy most, unless you want to fight other players, in which case get a Python.
Python: Slow but 2nd best shields in game (when using SCBs)
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Flying solo in a CZ it doesn't really matter which ship you choose. A decently upgraded Asp is enough to rack up the kills in a solo CZ.
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Just fly what you enjoy most, unless you want to fight other players, in which case get a Python.
I have a D/C grade Anaconda. It craps on just about everything from a great height as it is!
After the nerf I consider the Python a trade combat ship.
With 2 turret beam (class2) your power will be
1) depleted in less than 5 maybe 6 second and you'll not be able to fire with other weapon energy
2) you'll go with heat problem.
And this from an A fitted python (51 milion and you can sustain no more than 2 beam laser?? Comeon...)
It's true: you can fit the python with scb and you can improve the shield (but they are not so tough: anytime i face a clipper 1 level of my shield go down): it's a good tank but definitly not a warship. I would definitly say it's an heavy trade ship but, again, not a combat ship
And in my opinion, from a ship whose value is over 130 Milions you should expect more...
Conda is much better a combat ship compared to python in my opinion
(deadly status and flown the python for over 5 months)
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First I'd have to say it seems you are flying a low grade Python with weapons that are too power hungry for it´s current power plant.
It is not clear what weapons you use, but it sounds like they might be 3 size 3 beams?
You just need to fit the weapons that fit the power you can supply them with.
That is nothing the Python can be blamed for.
It is the responsibility of the commander
.Ships in ED are a very personal thing. I love my Python although it has it´s shortcomings, the vulnerable canopy being one of them.
I hope that in the future we will be able to upgrade canopies. The Python really needs it.
Turn speed is low, although you can use boost to speed it up in certain situations.
When confronted with agile ships this can be a problem.
I have been experimenting a lot with weapon configurations for the Python and I found turrets to be the solution for it´s slow turning speed.
I have outfitted my heavily armoured Python with turrets in every hard point.
You lose damage output, but in practice this does not matter, because you can keep firing continuously at agile targets.
They can not outmaneuver turrets.
I have killed dozens of Clippers with my Python. One on one they can not beat my Python.
They can run away, which I consider to be a win for me.
If lack of style is your biggest problem, then there´s nothing I can say.
Style is personal taste.
The Clipper is a great ship to fly, but personally I am not a fan of her looks, with that grossly oversized canopy.
It depends on the situation. I personally love to take out elite Anacondas in my Python in Warzones.
There is also a slight difference in price to be considered. A basic Anaconda is almost three times the price of a basic Python.
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I was always a bit underwhelmed with the python.. weirdly, I prefer combat in my anaconda than a python, but really the python is your generic do everything good kinda ship. It dosent excel at one thing in particular. Personally, for combat, I reckon the FDL kicks its butt.. but thats just my biased view, a lot of people hate the FDL. If you liked the clipper, you might like the FDL more than the python. But forget trading in it. Get an ASP and trade in that instead, thats what I used to do. lol
i found that this just drains the power far to quickly, i have found that the pule lasers are more effective at taking down bigger ships as you can keep continious fire on them and it takes less time to bring down a condas shieldsas you dont need to worry about overheating, and power recharging ( also all A class)
Let us know how you get on...interested in doing this myself.
That does sound interesting, but do you use that setup in warzones too?
Wouldn't you run out of ammo too quickly?
I have played around with many, many loadouts for my Pythons, and have settled on the following for PvE:-
Firegroup 1 - Upper two large turret beams
Firegroup 2 - Lower large Pulse gimbaled, upper two medium pulse gimbaled.
Open up with firegroup two, which with four pips to weapons will fire for a long, long time (never timed it, but barely drains). If target closes to jousting, switch to firegroup 1 and let the turrets track the target as it flies over (ensure the target does not go beneath your ship). If the target is small (up to vulture/cobra), ensure that that it remains in the firing arc for the two large turrets, if you see the hits drop off they have deployed chaff, so stop firing until you have visually reacquired the target and can manually aim with firegroup two. Repeat until dead. For larger targets, alternate between the firegroups, with the odd burst of both for the quick kill (watch the heat). If overheating, drop to firegroup two only, which will allow the weapons subsystem to cool (slowly).
Whilst I like kinetics for the faster kill, once that ammo is gone, it's gone, so either re-arm time or a slow loiter with remaining energy weapons. I have stuck a pure energy loadout for PvE (CZ/RES/Assassination etc.) for quite some time, I find it ticks all my required boxes for about 90% of the time, including those pesky "Mostly Harmless" Pythons which seem to constitute about 80% of the assassination targets I get given. Soak uo the wing fire, get the kill, bug-out.
Firegroup 1 - Upper two large turret beams
Firegroup 2 - Lower large Pulse gimbaled, upper two medium pulse gimbaled.
Open up with firegroup two, which with four pips to weapons will fire for a long, long time (never timed it, but barely drains). If target closes to jousting, switch to firegroup 1 and let the turrets track the target as it flies over (ensure the target does not go beneath your ship). If the target is small (up to vulture/cobra), ensure that that it remains in the firing arc for the two large turrets, if you see the hits drop off they have deployed chaff, so stop firing until you have visually reacquired the target and can manually aim with firegroup two. Repeat until dead. For larger targets, alternate between the firegroups, with the odd burst of both for the quick kill (watch the heat). If overheating, drop to firegroup two only, which will allow the weapons subsystem to cool (slowly).
Whilst I like kinetics for the faster kill, once that ammo is gone, it's gone, so either re-arm time or a slow loiter with remaining energy weapons. I have stuck a pure energy loadout for PvE (CZ/RES/Assassination etc.) for quite some time, I find it ticks all my required boxes for about 90% of the time, including those pesky "Mostly Harmless" Pythons which seem to constitute about 80% of the assassination targets I get given. Soak uo the wing fire, get the kill, bug-out.
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Yeah, the Python surely isn't what it used to be, after getting nerfed into the ground and all. I wouldn't bother if you're a Clipper fan.
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Neither is your setup capable of destroying those with a single charge lol.
The damage three fixed beam lasers put on those however is very strong. Usually I can take the shields down before SCBs kick in.
Funny...
you have a clipper in front of you, you wait the scan and what do you do?
You "only" fire 2 beam. Seems a bit strange to me. Usually with an enemy in front of you you would deplete your entire power firing every weapon you have.
Anyway, okay: with a 130 Mil fit you can kill a cobra (how much is a cobra a fitted? 9 milions). And? For another clipper, dropship or phyton? They are class 3 so the beam class 2 got a penalty...
And yes: once you have the target on your aim you (should) fire with your weapons and here comes the heat problems.
Never used a Pa btw cause I don't like weapons with ammunitions (but this is a my personal taste).
Anyway, I can understand the Op: except for landing on outpost or a stronger (but not so much) shield the python, afetr the nerf, is an overpriced ship.
A clipper is much more fun to play.
Anaconda is the best solo CZ ship for sure. With A7 Shields and 8*A0 Shield boosters it is a tough ship. I have complemented that with 2 A6, 2 A5 and 2 A4 SCB:s...
I wouldn't want to be ambushed by a wing of human players (since the rebuy is 22MCr), but any other situation is easily handled.What? They're certainly not. I'm usually at 90-95% heat when the capacitor is dry.