I feel there will be minimum requirement for buying squadron carrier, like 10 of members. If not, bubble will be overflowed by carriers. 
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Hopefully FDev has data from other, comparable, activities (such as Multicrew, Squadrons, Wing-missions, Powerplay or even CGs etc) that suggests this is a realistic objective.
Personally, I'd prefer it if FDev started with more modest, and direct, ways to encourage communal play, such as by creating missions that required two or more players to work together.
Wing-missions where, perhaps, one player had to keep shooting something so another player could collect something.
That sort of thing should be pretty easy to create and the uptake for it would indicate whether there was much interest in communal activities.
And the results might save the effort of having to create another update like Multicrew.
Not to mention the likelihood that most of the "communal" aspect of those activities happens on Reddit or Discord and then players just do the in-game stuff in Solo.
I feel there will be minimum requirement for buying squadron carrier, like 10 of members. If not, bubble will be overflowed by carriers.
I remember when FCs were first revealed - as squadron assets - and it took about 15 seconds before people started arranging to start taking it in turns to start a squadron, everybody else join it so the leader could buy an FC and then everybody would leave so somebody else could do the same thing.
I mean, I guess FDev would have succeeded in creating communal gameplay, but just not in the way they were anticipating.
Game devs really need to stop trying to stomp out the solo players so much. I mean they should really be asking themselves: If we have to force people to group up, what is it about our games systems that aren't organically encouraging teamwork in the first place?
By the way, I for one oppose the idea of ship sharing. I wrote my reasoning in more detail in another thread, so I'll just link to my post here: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threa...squadron-carriers.638008/page-2#post-10637500
Not that my opinion matters or will sway anybody (especially not FDev), but anyway.
Not that my opinion matters or will sway anybody (especially not FDev), but anyway.
Engineering 3.0 what now?
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
Exactly - and, when asked (when Carriers were still expected to be Squadron assets), Adam confirmed that Squadron assets would remain until the Squadron was disbanded - presumably to avoid the case where the loss of one member would drop membership below any arbitrary threshold (greater than one) resulting in the Squadron losing the Carrier.
Please not like this. In TESO i figured how to do solo "raid" content for 8 people
100mins later when 1st boss died I found I need to push 8 buttons at once to continue. That was cruel :/
Squadron carriers...
I suppose the irony with FCs and SFCs (squadron fleet carriers) VFCs OMG HVBSRJHELVHG is that FD have given the 'but what about the solo guys?' carriers in reverse- FCs in this context are single commander in scope, and now SFCs are the next level.
How soon before the moaning starts lone guys can't have an SFC?
How soon before the moaning starts lone guys can't have an SFC?
Because of the point I made in my next paragraph...Which is why I really don't understand why they keep going down the path of making features like this.
...while ~20% of squadrons are single-player ones, >95% of players in squadrons are in squadrons with multiple players. I'd actually misremembered the numbers slightly and it was even more skewed than in that quoted paragraph: around half of the players in squadrons were in one of the centa-squadrons with >=100 players; over 70% were in a squadron with 10 or more players. The substantial majority of people in squadrons are using it as a multiplayer feature for larger groups.
It's not therefore entirely surprising that Frontier are eventually getting round (after seven years) to adding a few more in-game features for those groups.
Am I personally excited about it? No. After the last three (maybe four) groups I joined got entirely obsoleted by changes Frontier made to the game, I've given up on that sort of thing. But there are considerably more people in the centa-squadrons alone than the average CG gets as participants, and the occasional once-or-twice a decade feature for them is fair enough.
I feel there will be minimum requirement for buying squadron carrier, like 10 of members. If not, bubble will be overflowed by carriers.
1 carrier per active squadron is a lot less of the current issue where its almost 1 carrier per active player.
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
Given that a Squadron, by definition, starts with a single CMDR, i.e. the creator, is there some expectation that the Squadron Carrier will be locked behind a membership threshold?
I would expect so, otherwise you'd have 'that one guy' gaming the system. Saying that I think the lock in this case is lots and lots of sweet credit action.
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
When altCMDRs are cheap (and were free to create on consoles, with free PC game copies when transferred) any reasonable membership can be achieved by a single player.
If it becomes prohibitively expensive for small Squadrons then the "it's a grind" accusations will flow....