[Video] Griefing : is there a problem?!

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A shame such killing still hasn't quite got enough in-game repercussions though. The Pilots Federation seems to care little about what its members get up to.

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Why should they?
They aren't a police force and we are expected to routinely be on opposing sides in conflicts large, small and private.
We all "paid our dues" to them so I don't see why they would care.
 
A shame such killing still hasn't quite got enough in-game repercussions though. The Pilots Federation seems to care little about what its members get up to.

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Elite is like kids at the beach, one group is building sand castle, and one kid is smashing them down... But its okay, its intended game play :)
 
The corollary is the reasons you want to focus on aren't relevant.

The definition you supplied doesn't support your position.

see, even when i'm in agreement, and express it in simple terms, i'm in the wrong... your a special kind of crazy

but i saw this coming, read your mind.. so to say :) So i wrote my next reply before you had wrote yours..spooky

I’ve been known to get things wrong before..I know, seems impossible. I love to learn, I love truth. Information is the most important thing to me in life, after all, what else is there (oops, let’s not go down that path)
But I’m not going to back down if I sure I’m correct in what I’m saying, yet I still keep doubt in my mind that there could be something I’ve missed. It important to never think your 100% correct, even if the facts tell you so… always question

As long as both parties know what each other is saying, progress can be made, else it’s a pointless waste of time and information (that what irritated me a few posts back)

Not here to win fights but hopefully clear things up and maybe learn some things as well. I will admit when I’m wrong, and have in the past, but I will make sure I’m wrong, by testing what I think (or know to be ) the fact and not just make things up.

Just because you disagree with someone, dosen't mean they are wrong (goes for both sides), it may be because you are both arguing different point.. it’s called a misunderstanding. No hard feelings.
 
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see, even when i'm in agreement, and express it in simple terms, i'm in the wrong... your a special kind of crazy

but i saw this coming, read your mind.. so to say :) So i wrote my next reply before you had wrote yours..spooky

I’ve been known to get things wrong before..I know, seems impossible. I love to learn, I love truth. Information is the most important thing to me in life, after all, what else is there (oops, let’s not go down that path)
But I’m not going to back down if I sure I’m correct in what I’m saying, yet I still keep doubt in my mind that there could be something I’ve missed. It important to never think your 100% correct, even if the facts tell you so… always question

As long as both parties know what each other is saying, progress can be made, else it’s a pointless waste of time and information (that what irritated me a few posts back)

Not here to win fights but hopefully clear things up and maybe learn some things as well. I will admit when I’m wrong, and have in the past, but I will make sure I’m wrong, by test what I think (or know to be ) the fact and not just make things up.

Just because you disagree with someone, dosen't mean they are wrong (goes for both sides), it may be because you are both arguing different point.. it’s called a misunderstanding. No hard feelings.



What you wrote has no relevance to what I did, so no, you're still not a mind reader.

On the other hand, my luffing post is on point, preemptively.

Maybe I am the mind reader...
 
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The Pilots Federation seems to care little about what its members get up to.

The Pilot's Federation is like the AARP. As long as you pay the membership dues, you'll keep getting offers for insurance, even if you are a child-killing cannibal murderer getting your pamphlets mailed to a federal prison.

It could hardly be any other way in a game where membership is automatic, permanent, and mandatory.

Elite is like kids at the beach, one group is building sand castle, and one kid is smashing them down... But its okay, its intended game play :)

Most kids, at least the ones I remember, expect to have to be able to take care of such situations themselves. There was always a tacit understanding that if you knock down someone's sandcastle that they'll knock down yours, or build their second one on top of you. Peace through implied violence, not the appeal to non-existent higher powers.
 
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Most kids, at least the ones I remember, expect to have to be able to take care of such situations themselves. There was always a tacit understanding that if you knock down someone's sandcastle that they'll knock down yours, or build their second one on top of you. Peace through implied violence, not the appeal to non-existent higher powers.

yup. think its called growing up
 
What you wrote has no relevance to what I did, so no, you're still not a mind reader.

On the other hand, my luffing post is on point, preemptively.

Maybe I am the mind reader...

no, what that did was... injecting a random sailing fact into the thread. like a crazy person :p dam, i predicted that as well

Look, i have put out the olive branch a few times now. Tried to clear thing up, shown we are in agreement. I'm not being nice because i feel i'm losing something. I'm being nice out of compassion.
 
This is false.

The overwhelming majority of PvP encounters happen in the vicinity of known points of interests, but this is by no means all of them. There is a non-zero chance of encountering other CMDRs in the middle of nowhere, and a non-zero chance for those CMDRs to be hostile.

I've certainly encountered CMDRs not anywhere near any waypoints, populated systems, or tourist attractions, and some of them likely would have attacked if they thought they would have had the upper hand.

True, however, odds of finding somebody at random*odds of them trying to kill you*odds of them succeding=practically never. As I said, I have never ever seen anybody while exploring outside of prearranged meetings, and the odds of them catching me aren't very high either even if I bring a vulnerable ship.


TL,DR, I rather avoid compromises for such small odds of paying the price, after all, I have gotten infinetly closer from dying by crashing into neutron stars compared to confrontations.
 
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yup. think its called growing up

I disagree. To me, growing up implies increased self-reliance, not expecting laws or goodwill or luck or help from others will suffice. It's just good fortune when they do.


Look, i have put out the olive branch a few times now. Tried to clear thing up, shown we are in agreement. I'm not being nice because i feel i'm losing something. I'm being nice out of compassion.

You're not being nice at all. Saying things in a verbose and faux-polite manner is not being nice. You implied at least one member was a psychopath who lacked empathy and compassion in the real world due to how he plays his video games. Another member you told "your a special kind of crazy". How is this nice? You can't make personal attacks in one paragraph, then claim the olive branch in another.

You've been repeating things we strongly disagree with in slightly different ways, and then seem to imply we are being unreasonable because we continue to disagree despite these slight phrasing adjustments.

Let me make it crystal clear. We are not in agreement. I have no opinion on you as a person, but a very bad opinion about the points you've made in this thread. I kind of wish a mod would lock this already, it is going nowhere.
 
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True, however, odds of finding somebody at random*odds of them trying to kill you*odds of them succeding=practically never. As I said, I have never ever seen anybody while exploring outside of prearranged meetings, and the odds of them catching me aren't very high either even if I bring a vulnerable ship.


TL,DR, I rather avoid compromises for such small odds of paying the price, after all, I have gotten infinetly closer from dying by crashing into neutron stars compared to confrontations.

Many exploration players share that view... and now they are on the forums or discord complaining its not fair they got beat.
 
Well, if you took more fuel with you, you wouldn't need to call the fuel rats so often. :p



Did he also stream how he ran out of fuel and was rescued by some fuel rats today? [big grin]

Personally I fly with a full size FSD and tank at all time unless I am doing arranged in system fights, as for the running out of fuel today, that happens from time to time, better yet some emergent gameplay came from that mistake... you would do well to take note and learn from this instead of sitting on discord playing armchair lawyer, what was it you said again? oh yea... "Scamming players into open", what a gem.
 
Many exploration players share that view... and now they are on the forums or discord complaining its not fair they got beat.
Well it's what they get for having condas with size 2 thrusters and size 1 powerplants. They couldn't even escape 0.03 G's, let alone having hope to escape a hostile CMDR with hardpoints ready to blow some poor sod back to the stone age.

I'm somewhat hateful against ganking or the like. But if you min/max your ship for only one thing, then you deserve for being melted from a factor you should have taken into consideration. Such as lack of engineering for a cool running ship for better scooping, or in this case being easy pickings for one such as you.
 
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ok so what u are saying is that i can actually block players and then i will never see them in the game again ?
did not know that

so please correct me if i am wrong
because this will open a whole new ballgame

Funny how everyone thinks the block list is only a spam filter.

It's almost as if that would actually make sense.

Perhaps they're implemented elsewhere this way? [haha]
 
I disagree. To me, growing up implies increased self-reliance, not expecting laws or goodwill or luck or help from others will suffice. It's just good fortune when they do.




You're not being nice at all. Saying things in a verbose and faux-polite manner is not being nice. You implied at least one member was a psychopath who lacked empathy and compassion in the real world due to how he plays his video games. Another member you told "your a special kind of crazy". How is this nice? You can't make personal attacks in one paragraph, then claim the olive branch in another.

You've been repeating things we strongly disagree with in slightly different ways, and then seem to imply we are being unreasonable because we continue to disagree despite these slight phrasing adjustments.

Let me make it crystal clear. We are not in agreement. I have no opinion on you as a person, but a very bad opinion about the points you've made in this thread. I kind of wish a mod would lock this already, it is going nowhere.

I disagree. To me, growing up implies increased self-reliance, not expecting laws or goodwill or luck or help from others will suffice. It's just good fortune when they do....

oh its hurts >< have i missed something here?

i said 'yup. think its called growing up'

in agreement too:

''Most kids, at least the ones I remember, expect to have to be able to take care of such situations themselves. There was always a tacit understanding that if you knock down someone's sandcastle that they'll knock down yours, or build their second one on top of you. Peace through implied violence, not the appeal to non-existent higher powers.''

you say you 'I disagree' then agree ;

To me, growing up implies increased self-reliance, not expecting laws or goodwill or luck or help from others will suffice. It's just good fortune when they do.


>< what is happening to the interweb, is this why no one can hold a conversation

..and no i'm not being 'faux-polite', i tried the nice way before the quips :) as for lacking empathy, its a well know condition of something i wont mention here, it's not to be ashamed of, and makes life very confusing for the people that suffer with it. I think its important to help explain to others, how such people see the world. In-fact, there are government campaigns in place to help such cases.

A lot of the upset and misunderstanding is due to people know knowing how others see the world.
The people getting blown up not understanding how the ganker see the world (not all ,some), and calling for them to be stopped.

But that we need to understand the gankers a bit better. Their motive for what they do are not the same as if i a 'carebear' was to do the same action.... but when someone gets ganked, they project their reasoning onto the ganker, who has a very different outlook on the world.

This leads to misunderstanding and unfair blacklash toward such gankers, who see the world different.

believe it it or not, i'm trying to help the gankers side (not the griefing parts, ship crew and such,that's naughty) but they seem to think i'm against them >< (not all, some understand what i'm doing)

Now start reading what i'm saying, which its evident you are not, from the opening of this reply
 
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All I know is that yesterday I went on a short explo trip yesterday in my "combat" ship and came back to turn in 30M+ in exploration data. The guy who I encountered in the shieldless AspX did not.

Haha this quote made my day. Almost as good as my wingman's : "Paranoia saves lives".
I remember in the Dev notes 5 years ago there was something about how exploration can be dangerous if the other guy decides to stop you from selling your data so he can be the first... Well done for enforcing FD's early vision.
 
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I appreciate the sentiment and agree, but ultimately it's Frontier's or David Braben's game.
You had to be That Guy


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