Sorry, but we can't close down threads for people expressing a desire or opinion as long as its not breaking any other rules or forum specific rules.
PS: No backseat moderation either, that is against the rules.
Wait, wait, wait! So even when you`ve bought everything you still have to buy the Beta?
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Sorry, but we can't close down threads for people expressing a desire or opinion as long as its not breaking any other rules or forum specific rules.
PS: No backseat moderation either, that is against the rules.
What about multiple threads on the same subject and constant repetition, maybe organise it all into some small little corner so we don`t have to see it. In other words, tidy up the shop.
missed this.
'right' according to........what? compared with 'what'. It isn't ripping people off, not in any way.
What you are used to with other games does not mean it should be so in any other game, not in any way shape or form, go back some years and beta's were just as exclusive, and some even were paid beta's was quite common, there's absolutely nothing that says beta's should be included in any way shape or form, that is simply what unfortunately, other games have made to you think, and they've misused the 'beta' tag making it nearly unrecognisable, but that doesn't mean Elite should do it the way they do, not in any way shape or form.
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OK so I've not posted on this forum in absolutely ages but this topic I want in on as it's so funny.
To the OP, why should you even think you can get something for free that myself and others paid for really early on in the games development cycle?
I bought in at Premium Beta fit about £90 at the time, which I thought was a bit of a punt (gamble for those non English fluent people!) at the time.
So please explain why you should have something for free outside of the normal game, that I paid a premium for?
I took a gamble for supporting the game early on so I get a benefit that you don't get, so take your self entitlement / rage and stick it into the nearest neutron star you come across in game......
To the OP, why should you even think you can get something for free that myself and others paid for really early on in the games development cycle?
I bought in at Premium Beta fit about £90 at the time, which I thought was a bit of a punt (gamble for those non English fluent people!) at the time.
So please explain why you should have something for free outside of the normal game, that I paid a premium for?
I took a gamble for supporting the game early on so I get a benefit that you don't get, so take your self entitlement / rage and stick it into the nearest neutron star you come across in game......
So it seems some of you are forced to read and post your opinion on threads like this that you have seen every Beta, got it. And I am sure you expect new comers to read through thousand of threads to make sure they do not repost something that has already been posted, I am sure you did it when you started on this forum and I am sure you do it to any forum you join.
and it is the forums administrators job to keep watch 24/7 to make sure only threads that appease you stay open.
How about instead flaming even more a thread that you yourself already know is useless right? because it comes out every beta release, just ignore it and move on? Oh wait "everyone has their right to an opinion" ring a bell?
SEE WHAT YOU DID SEAFIRELIV!! SHAME ON YOU!! [big grin][big grin][big grin]
Enjoy the game, enjoy life peace out!
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This thread is still going on? Yep, another case of too many shouting, defending, demeaning and not listening for fear that someone may actually have a valid point to discuss, debate.
Note that Beta has features we don't get in the regular game as in every ship and module cost 10 percent of the full price while all the ships already owned can sell at the full price. Got 200m invested in ships and credits? Sell them and buy an A-rated Corvette, Cutter, Anaconda (as well as any ship in the game) to see how it flies. Then when one finally gets the credits to purchase one in the regular game they will have a much better understanding of what they will do with it. That's a pretty good perk for Beta access that costs less than a paintjob in the store.
Note that Beta has features we don't get in the regular game as in every ship and module cost 10 percent of the full price while all the ships already owned can sell at the full price. Got 200m invested in ships and credits? Sell them and buy an A-rated Corvette, Cutter, Anaconda (as well as any ship in the game) to see how it flies. Then when one finally gets the credits to purchase one in the regular game they will have a much better understanding of what they will do with it. That's a pretty good perk for Beta access that costs less than a paintjob in the store.
As a beta tester who paid for the privilege let me tell you it's not worth it. Sure, you get access to buggy content earlier than others and get to feel all important as you submit bug reports and ostensibly help the game. And then you play the released version and the bugs you've reported are still present and then you feel like you've wasted your time and money. Repeat ad infinitum.
I am so addicted to this game, I would gladly pay a $10 or even $15 per month subscription, assuming the development and support and expansion continues of course. In that scenario, $5 for beta access would be the equivalent of like a week and a half of game time. No big deal whatsoever IMO. I have zero interest in playing a beta so I'm glad they didn't include the price of access into what I've already paid. It's good that it's an extra, not included, cost because it's something I personally place zero value on.
Frankly I worry that Frontier will be able to continue developing this game if everybody just wants to pay once and be done with it. It would be a shame if they folded because of unrealistic expectations about what it takes to keep a game like this running after the initial release. Since they AREN'T charging us a subscription for a continually-being-developed game, they are free to nickel and dime me all they want on voluntary, not pay-to-win content.
P.S. I'm assuming you Brits know what I mean using "nickel and dime" as a verb, lol
Frankly I worry that Frontier will be able to continue developing this game if everybody just wants to pay once and be done with it. It would be a shame if they folded because of unrealistic expectations about what it takes to keep a game like this running after the initial release. Since they AREN'T charging us a subscription for a continually-being-developed game, they are free to nickel and dime me all they want on voluntary, not pay-to-win content.
P.S. I'm assuming you Brits know what I mean using "nickel and dime" as a verb, lol
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I really wish people understood economics better. Does anyone even appreciate how much in overheads Frontier Developments has to pay each week? Also, how many hardware configurations do you think there are for bugs to hide in? Ironing out bugs can be a mammoth task! Elite Dangerous is a incredibly complex design, and incorporating new content into its existing framework without a load of bugs is an impossibility.
Yeeah Frontier, what now huh? This guy is serious!! I mean, he means it! Really!!
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So in criticising me for pointing out the obivious moronic repetition of this thread and numerous posts therein, you continue your whinge fest in another bout of mindless repetition of the same point you have made in the thread previously, you have just made my case for me, thks.
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I think FD undertsands economics enough. Their financial records are quite healthy, and I'm pretty sure the store provides a considerable income.
Charging people for testing a release is... questionnable. I'm tempted to say "greedy"...
Mind you, I probably wouldn't bother with the beta release, even if it was free (I'm already investing most of my free time supporting or modding other games), but the reasonning behind charged access is purely about grabbing more money - let's not pretend otherwise.
And before someone says "but we can't open the beta to everyone, it would spoil everything!", most devs use "closed" betas for this : the number of participants is capped, they are randomly selected and, usually, all sorts of people will take part in it : the casual player, the fan, the pessimist etc... Any feedback is valuable, even more so if it comes from a wide variety of gamers.
How does charged access work for variety? Not much I'd say...
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Now, will ship name plates be purchasable, that's another matter...
They will. But I fail to see how this is relevant to this discussion.
What you're basically saying is: If you don't see a value in something, you shouldn't pay for it.
Therefore it is good that Frontier makes paying for beta access a separate charge. I'd hate to think beta access was included in the price I paid when I personally don't see any value in beta access. I have no interest in playing an incomplete, buggy game (yeah yeah, I know what you're thinking, so save it).
The alternative for Frontier, of course, is to not offer beta access at all to the public, which is how it used to be.
I think the disconnect is you assume people want to be in the beta so they can offer "appraisal" (feedback on bugs, etc) and therefore should be PAID, whereas I assume they want to be in the beta because they're impatient and want to see the new content ASAP, and therefore they should PAY.
The differences between these two types of players explains why some value Frontier's existing policy and why some don't. Nobody's wrong. Some players simply assign more value to being part of a beta than others. Frontier is wise to monetize this.
Question for the Devs: how many of you are on your 4th car and 3rd house? LOL
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Frontier are monetising some player's desire to be first, ahead of the rest, that must see new content and help quash bugs by gameplay testing.
That there are players willing to pay for such access means Frontier get a few more squids.
I personally don't feel the need to pay to access this content early.
It's coming eventually and I've got other things to keep me entertained in-game in the meantime.
That there are players willing to pay for such access means Frontier get a few more squids.
I personally don't feel the need to pay to access this content early.
It's coming eventually and I've got other things to keep me entertained in-game in the meantime.
You must be new here.
Beta costs, deal with it.
Youre not the first whiner about this and most likely not the last one either.
Your kind comes and goes, theres nothing more to it.
*going back playing beta*
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I really don't understand the burning desire to be part of these betas.
REAL beta-testing is a job that FD should be paying for instead of something you have to pay them for.
So, you get early access to the new stuff first. Bugs and all.
Then the beta ends and you're back where you started before the beta.
No gains gameplay wise.
For the ordinary gamer taking part in these betas doesn't really add anything.
For those that genuinely want to test I suppose the beta is good fun.
Given the attitude of OP I really doubt that he'd spend much time beta-testing and filing bug reports.
REAL beta-testing is a job that FD should be paying for instead of something you have to pay them for.
So, you get early access to the new stuff first. Bugs and all.
Then the beta ends and you're back where you started before the beta.
No gains gameplay wise.
For the ordinary gamer taking part in these betas doesn't really add anything.
For those that genuinely want to test I suppose the beta is good fun.
Given the attitude of OP I really doubt that he'd spend much time beta-testing and filing bug reports.
You obviusly haven't bought everything when there still is something you haven't bought.
Wrong.
People are making a choice to pay FD for preview access to play with new features before they're available on the live game, as well as the ability of having consequence free choices during the beta (if they wanna test different ships or whatever), since whatever they do there doesn't affect their live account.
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