Want to buy a high availability hardware support contract?
Though you rather missed the point.
Wait, wait, wait! So even when you`ve bought everything you still have to buy the Beta?
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Want to buy a high availability hardware support contract?
Though you rather missed the point.
Who knows! ??
The cluelessness of the complainers never ceases to amaze me. The fact that for 5 bucks, you have basically early access to every single point update within a season, which can add up to as many as 6 unique early access opportunities seems like a no brainer to me.
Then there is the whole aspect of SUPPORTING Frontier and Elite Dangerous as a going concern, considering there are no subscription fees or other such costs associated with the IP.
For me, it just comes down to the fact that there are some pretty short sighted, cheap, entitled bozos out there, who expect the Moon for the price of a Tennis Ball.
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The casual insult throwing in this thread stops now.
Heh, back when players were outraged that FDev would not sell them beta access, I said that if FDev granted the community request, the outrage wouldn't stop, it would just switch to match the new status quo. More specifically (in a much quieter thread) I said:
Let's see... check! check! check! check! BINGO I WIN!
You guys who have arrived since those days: Any regular joe - unqualified or not - being able to buy their way into a closed beta was something that a lot of players requested... strenuously. FDev answered to the demands of the playerbase, and for those who paid to get into the beta, FDev doesn't even require that they do any beta-testing while in there. They encourage beta-testing obviously, and many people want the opportunity to shape the game for the better, but people who just wanted to buy their way into an early play-session with new toys are able to do so. It's a pretty decent and fair arrangement on every level.
Except for Fdev - they get outrage either way - also obvious:
Let's see... check! check! check! check! BINGO I WIN!
You guys who have arrived since those days: Any regular joe - unqualified or not - being able to buy their way into a closed beta was something that a lot of players requested... strenuously. FDev answered to the demands of the playerbase, and for those who paid to get into the beta, FDev doesn't even require that they do any beta-testing while in there. They encourage beta-testing obviously, and many people want the opportunity to shape the game for the better, but people who just wanted to buy their way into an early play-session with new toys are able to do so. It's a pretty decent and fair arrangement on every level.
Except for Fdev - they get outrage either way - also obvious:
Sucks to be FDev, but at least it's good to be us
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The purpose of a beta is to test the product. Not doing that is a choice. They are still charging to be able to do that for a product they already sold.
You can convince yourself of whatever you want. The fact is that FD are charging to fix things in a product they already sold and have no delivered.
You must like repeating yourself with this crusade against paid beta, you`re not paying for it obviously and yet you whinge ad nausem about it. Why don`t you and the rest of the anti beta brigade just play the bloody game.
No, they are charging for early access of upcoming features. You are not paying to test, because you have no obligation to actually test once you purchase.
That is self-contradictory enough for me. Thank you.
I'm quite suprised this thread hasn't been shut down already, it is a duplicate that is present whenever a beta drops...
Some people seem to think that the sole purpose of the beta is to get your hands early on the next update...
A beta usually is about stress-testing and bug-hunting.
IMO charging people for it seems absurd : besides the fact that feedback from someone who paid may be biased, it drastically limits the scale of the beta/testing phase - the result being that a lot of issues slip through for the actual update...
By the way, out of curiosity, does any of you know of any game studio charging for betas (besides FD)?
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If the beta doesn't serve any purpose, it is even more ridiculous than I thought.
A beta usually is about stress-testing and bug-hunting.
IMO charging people for it seems absurd : besides the fact that feedback from someone who paid may be biased, it drastically limits the scale of the beta/testing phase - the result being that a lot of issues slip through for the actual update...
By the way, out of curiosity, does any of you know of any game studio charging for betas (besides FD)?
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I have an LEP.
My wife wanted to kill me.
But I'm glad I did.
It is not a Beta TEST.
It is Beta ACCESS.
There is no testing. They have people for that, not flakey lulz seekers like us.
If you want to Beta TEST, apply to join their QA team.
If the beta doesn't serve any purpose, it is even more ridiculous than I thought.
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This only FURTHER adds to my point.
I didn`t say I was unwilling to test. Don`t put words in my mouth; though it is a point I forgot to mention earlier. Hell, shouldn`t this thread and other threads I`ve made indicate that I love correcting errors and mistakes in a game? Especially games I like (and I do actually like Elite Horizons). Heck I`ve taken part in beta testing for many games and have written sheets of what`s bad or good. When I like or dislike something in or about a game I LIKE TO LET DEVS KNOW. As I am doing now.
But if they`re going to charge me money to do it when they should be paying me (or at least make it free) then the Devs have another think coming!
So basically, charging people even if some might use it just to play and not contribute is an own-goal since I believe most people WOULD contribute. That`s besides what I`ve already said in early posts.
Anyway, I appreciate everyone`s input and views even if some I don`t agree with.
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All ye guys are free to play some other game if ye feel so strongly about it, while others are free to pay for beta if they so wish. So really all this waffling is pointless.
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The idea is to keep out morons like you who wouldn't give useful feedback during the beta. Most of the people willing to pay, are also willing to give useful constructive feedback instead of *motions at OP*.
And no they shouldn't be paying your for playing a public beta. Real QA testing is nothing like the leisure you have during a public beta test. Real QA testing is boring, tedious, stressful, and takes a long time.
And no they shouldn't be paying your for playing a public beta. Real QA testing is nothing like the leisure you have during a public beta test. Real QA testing is boring, tedious, stressful, and takes a long time.
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There's a thread or two like this each beta, I really wish other games hadn't ruined what beta means.
If you bought season pass with beta access you'll have access.
The reason this is done is really quite simple, Elite actually has a real beta, unlike many games which simply has them like "come try the game early" style, where very few actual changes happen, here, it is a real beta, feedback guides changes throughout the beta and such.
As such, allowing 'everyone' into the beta would simply give a flood of mixed information and way too many duplicate threads and such, it has been proven again and again, and even with this filter on entry to beta, it happens, but this filter is the best middle ground if you ask me.
If you allow in people using other features, be it game time or whatnot, you don't really know if or if not they will be a good beta user.
Here at the very least people have to be willing to pay, to get access and thus a bit more likely to actually to be a useful beta user, because they paid for it.
Of course it isn't perfect, but there really isn't a solution that is, its better then a lot of other solutions.
No, the Mods should get the finger out and close down these stupid threads that pop up at every beta release because some numbskull keeps asking the same stupid question. Some things should be written in big bright letters on this forum to prevent the rest of us having to face Groundhog day reruns.
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I didn't consider it snake oil. If you do, you shouldn't buy... and presumably haven't. Again, you lose nothing by not buying the beta, so why are you bothered? All progress is wiped, if you are interested in what is there, plenty of people reporting about the content on the forums that you can read.
Calling it snake oil you believe it has no value... so, why do you want something with no value to you? Verrry strange.
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