warning - griefer in Sag A*

[ToniB]

So, you're both saying that if some tourist walks to Machu Picchu and some other tourist pulls a gun and shoots the first one, the shooter does nothing wrong?

infiction he is a murderer, out of fiction he is a player doing nothing wrong. infiction the murder has to be punished, out of fiction it must not be punished (like getting banned or something).

 

[Alec Turner]

Lets hope one more little explorer wonders here that hasn't actually read this threat yet. I would like one more kill before the Calvary comes to finish me off

Damn, this whole thing could have been a really good bit of narrative if you'd only had a modicum of class.

 

[Pete]

Called it, back in January:
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=102728

-- Pete.

 

[Morbad]

I am disappointed that some feel that PvP should also infect Exploration.

I am disappointed that people feel they should be immune when they willingly run totally defenseless ships and visit one of the prime tourist destinations in the galaxy.

A nice simple fix I feel for the ridiculousness that is the ED Crime and Consequence mechanic.
Murder removes insurance so dead is dead back to Zero.

Sagittarius A* is 25,500 light years from the nearest authority.

Yes it is murder.

Definitely murder (or at least attempted murder and destruction of property), just no one around to label it a crime.

 

[EddyRockSteady]

Well that adds some interest to the story i must say, A little far-fetched but enjoyable to read none the less. I can assure you though CMDR DoubleSkulls did die and i was the killer. Now i await my death!

Hell's teeth your arrogance exceeds your ignorance......Oh well each to their own. It's sad to see what a keyboard and Internet connection is capable of. Good on you then 'ol sport.

 

[ToniB]

I don't. There is huge potential for cheating there.

if the credits are deducted from the player praising the bounty, i dont see so much potential?

 

[hoppingdeth]

Kinda torn on this one. Yes it's horrible. No it's not cricket. Yes I'd be upset - but it's legitimate game play. ED give you the universe to go do what you want - that's why we play it. That's also the reason why you'll meet this every so often.

Personally I love what it gives to the game.

 

[Glenn Ross]

Some men just want to watch the world burn.

- - - Updated - - -

Or in this case the Galaxy...

Watching it burn I have no problem with. It's the number of [Expletive Deleted]'s that are fighting to light the fuse that I don't like.

 

[excalibus]

Its for this reason my ASP is fitted with shields, shield booster AND weapons, 32Ly jump range and not toothless...

 

[Vasious]

So, you're both saying that if some tourist walks to Machu Picchu and some other tourist pulls a gun and shoots the first one, the shooter does nothing wrong?

infiction he is a murderer, out of fiction he is a player doing nothing wrong. infiction the murder has to be punished, out of fiction it must not be punished (like getting banned or something).

In fiction, there is no law or jurisdiction at Sag A* so there was no criminal murder to be punished by any law enforcement in fiction unlike Machu Picchu which is under Peruvian Jurisdiction and laws.

 

[thegman2]

That's true, murder is a legal term.

I think being an overcompensating pillock is the correct non-legal term.

That i can live with

 

[Varrag]

if the credits are deducted from the player praising the bounty, i dont see so much potential?

Yes, in that case options for abusing player bounties should be somewhat limited I suppose, but nonetheless, this would still cause troubles. One example: I am filthy rich and bored. So what should I do? I know - I will watch random pilots passing by and put millions to their heads, sit back, relax and enjoy the calamity. Huh? I cannot put the bounty onto your head if we didn't interact before (in a way that ship damage has been involved)? No prob - I'll hop into Sidey, ram your T9 (and die), then put the bounty.

Other example of abuse is of course credit selling which becomes easier: I am pretty sure that player bounties would be widely used as player-to-player money transfers.

 

[Raiko]

For purely roleplay reasons I have posted a bounty on the reddit thread to avenge my fellow Buckyballer.

It seems fitting that only frontier justice should apply in this case.

 

[BrotherAlien]

I have loved the idea of a scientific research base around Source 2, and maybe even a nav beacon "picnic spot" around Sagittarius A* itself.

If you've done six impossible things this morning, why not round it off with breakfast at Milliways, the Restaurant at the Center of the Universe...

 

[Glenn Ross]

If you've done six impossible things this morning, why not round it off with breakfast at Milliways, the Restaurant at the Center of the Universe...

Surely Milliways is at the END of the universe. If you are dining at Sag. A, then you must be at the "Big Bang Burger Bar"!

 

[Varrag]

That i can live with

While being sympathetic to OP because of his loss, I'd also like to say this: if I happened to be on his place I wouldn't ever call you names, let alone trying to put some fictitious "shame" onto you only because you were playing baddie in game where bad things are supposed to be happening everywhere. Especially in the far reaches of space where there are no authorities to speak of.

 

[ToniB]

Yes, in that case options for abusing player bounties should be somewhat limited I suppose, but nonetheless, this would still cause troubles. One example: I am filthy rich and bored. So what should I do? I know - I will watch random pilots passing by and put millions to their heads, sit back, relax and enjoy the calamity. Huh? I cannot put the bounty onto your head if we didn't interact before (in a way that ship damage has been involved)? No prob - I'll hop into Sidey, ram your T9 (and die), then put the bounty.

Other example of abuse is of course credit selling which becomes easier: I am pretty sure that player bounties would be widely used as player-to-player money transfers.

1. well you should only be able to praise a bounty if a crime was done against you (and to the player who did it) in the first place. would give a good enough security net against abuse.

2. Credit transfer should be in the game anyway IMHO.

 

[Daedalus2097]

Indeed, it was out of any legal jurisdiction so it wasn't a crime. But it was the premeditated killing of an innocent party, and I'm happy to still call that murder regardless of whether it's a "legal" murder or not. Call it what you want, it's still pretty scummy. I can only hope that doing things like this in game means you're spending less time being a horrible person to other people or animals in real life.

 

[TorTorden_VR]

1. well you should only give bounty if a crime was done against you in the first place. would give a good enough security net for abuse.

2. Credit transfer should be in the game anyway IMHO.

This was how it worked in EVE online to begin with and it was completely broken since day one.

I dont think this game should be EVE or anything like it, but we can at least try not to make the same mistakes.

If we want bounties, the reddit way of handing off cargo after video proof is probably the better of many, more automated mechanics that can be implemented in the game. Since an actual person would be involved in the judgement at some point.

 

[Majinvash]

I can assure you that the victim lost more than the villain in this case. I have said on other sites that i know my end is imminent so... Lets get it onView attachment 37658

Loving your work!

Majinvash