We Need to be Better as a Community

CMDR Karrde Sun

CMDR Karrde Sun
Stigbob said:
Constant griping doesn't help the game at all as nobody listens to it. Hence focussed feedback threads being specifically designed to filter out all the background whine.
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Sure. In a perfect world, criticism is an opportunity for the devs to address the problem, impress people by doing so, and also take the opportunity to ask for a tip. Its a win / win for everyone there. All within reason of course. Anything niche or extreme can be handled as the situation demands.

Yet its a lil bit different over here. One side of the scale is getting too heavy and things are falling off.

Apart from genuine trolling stuff, most of the complaints i read always imply what the good solution would be.. that's not up to the feedback to then go and act on it.
 

Aashenfox

Aashenfox
lol, I'm sorry I missed this one. The OP of the other thread was hilariously stubborn and not getting the message. Deserved everything he got.

Who comes on a game's forum with 10 minutes experience of the game from a much earlier patch and starts crying hacks over what is at best a VERY minor bug? I almost thought he was deliberately trolling til I realised he wasn't. Yeh, no sympathy for that kind of poster. Sorry. On the bright side, I expect he learned something both about the game and forum etiquette.
 

babelfisch

babelfisch
CMDR Karrde Sun said:
Apart from genuine trolling stuff, most of the complaints i read always imply what the good solution would be.. that's not up to the feedback to then go and act on it.
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I often disagree with the 'good solution' though. I've read plenty of poorly thought out proposals, but everytime I highlighted the issues some people were eager to swing the white knight bat. If something really improves the game in my opinion and it makes sense I'll always agree with it.
Two examples:

'Friendly fire sucks, simply turn all bounties into fines!!!'
That doesn't work because it doesn't allow people to defend themselves and get help when attacked. Guess what? I am white knight for pointing it out...
An apologise feature making use of the communication system, your ranks and reputation, criminal record would make more sense. I also see how it's less simple and more complicated to implement though.

'The HUD modes are poorly implemented, simply skip all weapons / modules that are in the wrong mode or allow different fire groups for each mode.'
Yes please, I think that would work.

If you don't allow people to criticise the criticism it's useless, unless the proposal is so good that nobody can disagree with it.
 

babelfisch

babelfisch
CMDR Karrde Sun said:
Really? I don't think its toxic. Generally as long as there's a point to the discussion more than spitting toxicity that's okay. Also if you don't like something someone has written, you don't ignore it and instead just make rude remarks about and then by the end of your paragraph attack the person in response. That's where 90% of forum toxicity starts.

Sorry i got distracted on white knights again.
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Calling someone a white knight is just another way to say you are stupid and your opinion is without value. You can't think for yourself and everything you say is just an effort in order to troll people, because you can't allow criticism of something you like.

It doesn't add anything to the discussion, it's a personal insult and toxic. The whole purpose is to ridicule someone's opinion.
 

Stigbob

Stigbob
CMDR Karrde Sun said:
Sure. In a perfect world, criticism is an opportunity for the devs to address the problem, impress people by doing so, and also take the opportunity to ask for a tip. Its a win / win for everyone there. All within reason of course. Anything niche or extreme can be handled as the situation demands.
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That depends entirely on the criticism. The demand for a return of beta's is I think pointless as I've done ED beta's before and its just a whine fest. The release and hotfix method is better, less hassle and still introduces bugs to the live version (which I expect and am not bothered by).

Niche and extreme stuff doesn't really need to be handled at all it's best ignored. I'd include open only in that TBH.

CMDR Karrde Sun said:
Yet its a lil bit different over here. One side of the scale is getting too heavy and things are falling off.

Apart from genuine trolling stuff, most of the complaints i read always imply what the good solution would be.. that's not up to the feedback to then go and act on it.
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Subjective, one mans solution is another mans gamebreaker. For example I think blocks vital because the internet houses some crazy and obsessive people who take video games far far too seriously. Yet I've had people go crazy and obsessive about me because I just talked about block in the forum even though it was an announced feature pre release. Who on earth would ever want to voluntarily spend leisure time playing spaceships with them ?, they are living proof of the reasons I think block is required.

The time to exercise such personal preferences is pre-purchase rather than going full mental at the people who knew it was included and liked the idea before buying in.

Kickstarters are a gamble so if you have specific preferences you should always wait and check on those preferences first, which is what I did by buying after having a go on the flight demo as FM's are the thing I buy spaceship games for (or don't with NMS, SE and the like).
 

Rat Catcher

Rat Catcher
With no disrespect to anyone in particular...

The 'community', I agree, does need to be better and certainly more tolerent, but...

As long as there are those who believe any playstyle to be 'best' there will be 'polite disagreement' :ROFLMAO: over such a brazen, inconsiderate opinion.

Look at the continuing 'discussions' over modes, PvP, PvE, Engineering, Premium Ammo, Legacy Modules, 'Balance'.... The list goes on and on :) As long as anyone has an 'opinion' there will be 'someone' who is prepared to argue black is blue against it.

We can't have a non-toxic community as individually we are all fine, and - of course - absolutely correct in our opinions, together as a group we couldn't even agree what time is lunch 😱
 

ArchEmperor

ArchEmperor
Stigbob said:
.... ,,,,

Subjective, one mans solution is another mans gamebreaker. For example I think blocks vital because the internet houses some crazy and obsessive people who take video games far far too seriously. Yet I've had people go crazy and obsessive about me because I just talked about block in the forum even though it was an announced feature pre release. Who on earth would ever want to voluntarily spend leisure time playing spaceships with them ?, they are living proof of the reasons I think block is required.

The time to exercise such personal preferences is pre-purchase rather than going full mental at the people who knew it was included and liked the idea before buying in.

Kickstarters are a gamble so if you have specific preferences you should always wait and check on those preferences first, which is what I did by buying after having a go on the flight demo as FM's are the thing I buy spaceship games for (or don't with NMS, SE and the like).
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Group Cult (Not to be confused with Beta testing):
It seems you like the concept of filter bubbles and isolated group playing.
Nothing wrong with that. That is your way of playing games, fine.

Group Prime:
Others like the unknown open environment. With all the dangers and different people just waiting to surprise you. That is their way of enjoying the game, so its fine.

I can only see a problem if a moderator of Group Cult moderates a Group Prime and vice versa.
 
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Stigbob

Stigbob
Ratkatcher said:
With no disrespect to anyone in particular...

The 'community', I agree, does need to be better and certainly more tolerent, but...

As long as there are those who believe any playstyle to be 'best' there will be 'polite disagreement' :ROFLMAO: over such a brazen, inconsiderate opinion.

Look at the continuing 'discussions' over modes, PvP, PvE, Engineering, Premium Ammo, Legacy Modules, 'Balance'.... The list goes on and on :) As long as anyone has an 'opinion' there will be 'someone' who is prepared to argue black is blue against it.

We can't have a non-toxic community as individually we are all fine, and - of course - absolutely correct in our opinions, together as a group we couldn't even agree what time is lunch 😱
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The modes are equal and there is only one shared BGS, its not really worth discussing beyond that simple fact.

It will never stop being a hot topic for those who want everyone else forced to immediately comply with their own subjective preferences though.
 

BigBANGtheory [VR]

BigBANGtheory [VR]
Its up to mods to deal with toxic behaviour as far as I'm concerned.

In any large community you'll get a range of people and personalities with a % that:
  • don't give a ratsarse about what anyone else thinks
  • just see it as a bit of sport to mess around/spoil others enjoyment
  • are genuinely anti-social
  • drunk, impaired
  • just want a platform to vent
  • believe they know best
these people aren't going to follow any code of conduct or guidelines they are simply in it for themselves, once you accept that its easy to just filter their drivel just like a YouTube ad for grammar checking software :)
 

Stigbob

Stigbob
ArchEmperor said:
Group Cult (Not to be confused with Beta testing):
It seems you like the concept of filter bubbles and isolated group playing.
Nothing wrong with that. That is your way of playing games, fine.

Group Prime:
Others like the unknown open environment. With all the dangers and different people just waiting to surprise you. That is their way of enjoying the game, so its fine.

I can only see a problem if a moderator of Group Cult moderates a Group Prime and vice versa.
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Nope, I play in open far more often than any of the PVP'ers who've accused me of being a carebear then sent me a friend request so they could spend a few months failing to blow me up. The problem with them doing that is I see what mode they are in whenever we are both in game which bursts the myth they actually want open only, they just want it for everyone else.

I just know some people will always behave in a way that makes other people opt out of spending leisure time with them, for me thats cheats, nutters and station griefers. Other people will do it for different reasons.

Choice is good.
 

Vorxian

Vorxian
Sorry all, I have a confession to make :cry:
I have been hacking, most of lunch time in fact.

Bloody piece of beef, DAMN CHEWY. Got one of those plastic knives, the first one snapped, this one couldn't cut through air.
Been hacking this thing to bits, and still no closer to bite size chunks.

What should I do? The ironic thing is, they call this ship a CUTTER, I mean, a CUTTER that has no steak knives in the galley. Is the Corvette any better? I heard they have plenty of cutlery, but only serve soup...

Cheers!
 

Stigbob

Stigbob
zombieapocalypse said:
I think it's fairly safe to ignore the ramblings of any poster who starts throwing out epithets such as "white knight", "fanboi", "carebear", "hater", etc, at those they disagree with. Oh, and anyone who uses all-caps or says "why do you think it's called Elite: Dangerous!" :D
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My favourite is when they accuse me of deliberately sabotaging the game by liking it, apparently liking video games causes DOOM for inadequately explained reasons.

Old Duck said:
You're all just a bunch of white knights! (Bablefisch made me do it)
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Out and proud.

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Ezren

Ezren
babelfisch said:
Calling someone a white knight is just another way to say you are stupid and your opinion is without value. You can't think for yourself and everything you say is just an effort in order to troll people, because you can't allow criticism of something you like.

It doesn't add anything to the discussion, it's a personal insult and toxic. The whole purpose is to ridicule someone's opinion.
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It's very much a non-response, and literally name-calling instead of being able to come up with anything substantial to say. Those who throw "white knight" into a conversation immediately have no credibility, because they decided to throw verbal garbage instead of contributing.
 
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