No, it really shouldn't. That's the problem: It kind of does.
We need to increase speed and acceleration for EAGLE
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No, it really shouldn't. That's the problem: It kind of does.
I voted yes because I think the Eagle needs a bit of a boost. Its a shame its become such a weak ship. True its a start ship but might be nice if we can pay a large sum to have it upgraded or find a military version.
Now we are seeing more ships enter the fray I also believe that its gonna be worth Frontier looking at the whole portfolio and doing a bit of balancing at some point. Understandably, its difficult to do the moment they are released. I just imagine packs of Eagles, sideys and Vipers being able to be a real force to be reckoned with with the right piloting skills.
Now we are seeing more ships enter the fray I also believe that its gonna be worth Frontier looking at the whole portfolio and doing a bit of balancing at some point. Understandably, its difficult to do the moment they are released. I just imagine packs of Eagles, sideys and Vipers being able to be a real force to be reckoned with with the right piloting skills.
eagle is a great ship, but obselete due to it's speed. a speed boost to the top 300's at least boost speed would make it a great ship for new players to be involved in some light PVP with
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With he change proposed here, Eagles are still not going to have any chances against Ferdelances. Even in wolfpacks, i highly doubt that they would be any kind of threat. There's also no way for Eagles to stop a ferdelance from retreating, while a ferdelance is both faster and heavier than an Eagle.
Every combat ship is quite dangerous when operating in wolfpacks.
To me the problem is: a wing of 1 eagle+3 other combat ships will always be worse than a wing of 4 other combat ship. The eagle doesn't have any role. You can say it's a good swarming ship, but then so is every other ship.
Explorers and courriers don't need to be fast, they just need a nice jump range, nice cargo and to be able to defend themselves.
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Let's continue to discus Eagles here. 
We need to do something with "end-game best ship" mentality. Seriously people - let it go. It's a stupid way of treating the game, you make yourself bound to become bored (btw, making ridiculous amount of moneys needed for getting these ships with current mechanics is not fun - it's a very long and boring chore).
Because of this way of thinking you can't get your heads around a simple fact that speeding up Eagle would make whole game much more interesting and a little more dangerous for everybody. Newbies would be able to fight alongside big guys. They would die a lot more, but they would have an incentive to form wings and in a wing of 4 Eagles they should be able to harass or make people on big ships jump away. So what if you wouldn't feel as safe as you're in your FdL or Python? You would have to devise a new combat tactics, instead of flying backwards and shooting slow targets, you would have to move around the battlefield. Basically you would stop acting as huge deadly stationary turret and become huge deadly spaceship... or go down
We need to do something with "end-game best ship" mentality. Seriously people - let it go. It's a stupid way of treating the game, you make yourself bound to become bored (btw, making ridiculous amount of moneys needed for getting these ships with current mechanics is not fun - it's a very long and boring chore).
Because of this way of thinking you can't get your heads around a simple fact that speeding up Eagle would make whole game much more interesting and a little more dangerous for everybody. Newbies would be able to fight alongside big guys. They would die a lot more, but they would have an incentive to form wings and in a wing of 4 Eagles they should be able to harass or make people on big ships jump away. So what if you wouldn't feel as safe as you're in your FdL or Python? You would have to devise a new combat tactics, instead of flying backwards and shooting slow targets, you would have to move around the battlefield. Basically you would stop acting as huge deadly stationary turret and become huge deadly spaceship... or go down
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Some people seem to be so focussed on sorting the Eagle out they forget the effect for other small ships. You speed up the Eagle to 415ms you give Haulers and Sidewinders an absolute nightmare as the small ship in their class can run both of them down with ease and totally dominate them.
So why don't we boost the Sidewinder too? Actually, let's also boost the Hauler, then the Type 6, give the Cobra more maneouverability, allow Type 7s to carry as much as Type 9s, because how dare we have a one specialist ship better than another. We should also give the Adder the same jump range as the Asp as they're both explorers.
If four Eagle pilots can't force an FDL to retreat, they're either not that skilled or the FDL pilot is a bit of a boss.
So why don't we boost the Sidewinder too? Actually, let's also boost the Hauler, then the Type 6, give the Cobra more maneouverability, allow Type 7s to carry as much as Type 9s, because how dare we have a one specialist ship better than another. We should also give the Adder the same jump range as the Asp as they're both explorers.
If four Eagle pilots can't force an FDL to retreat, they're either not that skilled or the FDL pilot is a bit of a boss.
Don't try to make speedy Eagle sound insane. There's already a Viper which costs only 100k credits more. Everything bad that could happen to haulers and sideys already happened, because of fast Viper. Just accept that speedy Eagle is the future
Don't fight itBoss FdL stationary turret operator you wanted to say. You don't need any skill to fight with smaller ships now. I already gave you lots of examples.
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Don't try to make speedy Eagle sound insane. There's already a Viper which costs only 100k credits more. Everything bad that could happen to haulers and sideys already happened, because of fast Viper. Just accept that speedy Eagle is the future
Haha! I shall fight! I shall fight! ;-) But yeah, I think it's unnecassary. One thing the Eagle does look to be good at, certainly better than the FDL, is Capital ship fights. It's small size and maneouvarability make it great for dipping in and out of the firing arc of a captial ship's guns. FDL is far too big a target and gets absolutely mullered (even chaff isn't that effective.) In a wing, because it's difficult to hit up close, it can distract the slower moving ships whilst the bigger ones deal the damage... or it gets ignored and just piles laser fire onto the shields of large ships for the rest of the wing to finish off. It certainly already has it's uses, but it can solo the bigger stuff and I don't think it was ever intended to.
As to the Eagle.... You get what you payed for. It's not a great idea to make too good of a ship out of a disposable choice. It has it's function, and there's no real reason that the Eagle should be treated any differently than a Sidewinder, Hauler, or Adder.
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Some ships are just stepping stones. The fact that the Viper remain viable shows that there are places for most ships in the current set up, but the beginner ships just need to remain beginner ships.
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Some ships are just stepping stones. The fact that the Viper remain viable shows that there are places for most ships in the current set up, but the beginner ships just need to remain beginner ships.
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It wouldn't be too good. It would simply be faster.
Maybe I need to clarify that a full wing or even 2 or 3 wings of speedy Eagles would invariably die against 2 or more FdL, Pythons and Condas. But they would be great at harassing a single big target. = more fun for everybody
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Slow Eagles invariably die against a single big ship. And can't do anything against it. = boredom and despair
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They shouldn't be stepping stones. This is a bad design decision: We make ships into nothing but ladder steps. A disposable ship or a stepping stone is not a real function.
And I must really question if the Viper actually is viable any more. Not heavy enough to soft-lock any ships except the ''stepping stone'' ones, not that much faster than most ships, and the weapons simply aren't that much against the Vulture super-agile tank fighter, the ferdelance and the Python.
Even with the speed increase, I still think there would be lots of reasons to purchase the larger ships. The Eagle just has 3 small hardpoints, and this seriously limits its combat capability in most circumstances.
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If we continue to run away from reality then I must add that current Eagle is better at attacking Coriolis stations than FdL too. It can outmaneuver it's turret fire and can deal the final blow
Sorry, I don't agree. Ships that are more survivable or faster would be better at dipping in and out of Capital ship firing arcs. Ships like the Eagle are the ones actually running the risk of being destroyed or at least loosing shields when targetted by the (pathetically weak but very focused) capital ship main battery.
Sure, it can distract slower moving ships, or just pile laser fire if ignored, but a Cobra or Viper or Vulture or Lakon 9 could also pile fire upon an enemy ship if ignored, and do better, because of the significantly higher firepower of those ships. I guess it could be used as a distraction, but I don't see why any large ship would care about its 3x small hardpoints.
No, I guess it's not intended to solo big ships, and if the change suggested in the OP happens, will it be capable of soloing big ships? No, it will not, so this is not a problem.
Not all ships are stepping stones. Just the initial ones. They are too inexpensive to justify being that good. All of the other ships keep a niche, the first ships niche are their costs. The decision to make a handful of truly inexpensive ships simply a path to other ships is fine. Everything from the Viper on up has a place in the pecking order. I'm not overwrought about the Eagle getting a boost, but it seems pointless it having just 3 small hard points will render it small pickings against a FdL.
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At the risk of making you crazy I'd suggest that if you want the thrill of the Eagles flight characteristics, try the Vulture. It's small and nimble, why shouldn't that be just as fast as you would like to see the Eagle become.
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At the risk of making you crazy I'd suggest that if you want the thrill of the Eagles flight characteristics, try the Vulture. It's small and nimble, why shouldn't that be just as fast as you would like to see the Eagle become.