JWE is an awful game with almost no customisation options
We Shouldn't be Bound to Animals Only Found in Zoos
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That's not the point though - the point is it's still current and still being worked on by Frontier, ergo there is already a dinosaur zoo game on the market made by the same guys who made Planet Zoo.
JWE is not a zoo game. It's a moneymaking scheme
Why should they add Dinos in a Zoo game. If you want to make a zoo with dinos try Jurassic World Evolution
Nobody is saying that you shouldn't want a Planet Zoo-style game with dinosaurs (or other extinct animals). Similarly, nobody is saying that Frontier won't ever do it.
But at the current time, with JWE still being supported with additional DLC it just seems very unlikely that we'll be getting a Planet Dinosaur or an extinct creatures DLC anytime soon. What would the benefit be to them in doing that? I would also bet that there's some sort of legal language in place for JWE that would prevent them from doing anything too similar within X years/months from the release of JWE.
JWE was released in June 2018. If we get any sort of DLC that is related to extinct animals (specifically, dinosaurs)? It's years out. And at that point, I wouldn't be surprised if Frontier just went ahead and created a full-blown game with new features, etc. That's the route they seemed to have taken with Planet Zoo. "We did this other zoo simulation game; here's what didn't work... Let's apply that here."
But at the current time, with JWE still being supported with additional DLC it just seems very unlikely that we'll be getting a Planet Dinosaur or an extinct creatures DLC anytime soon. What would the benefit be to them in doing that? I would also bet that there's some sort of legal language in place for JWE that would prevent them from doing anything too similar within X years/months from the release of JWE.
JWE was released in June 2018. If we get any sort of DLC that is related to extinct animals (specifically, dinosaurs)? It's years out. And at that point, I wouldn't be surprised if Frontier just went ahead and created a full-blown game with new features, etc. That's the route they seemed to have taken with Planet Zoo. "We did this other zoo simulation game; here's what didn't work... Let's apply that here."
Not directly, but a lot of folks here have openly condescending views on extinct animals. They believe the animals should never be added, and is their only contribution when the subject is brought up.
Holocene animals like mammoths and dodos aren't part of the Jurassic Park scope, so there's no reason why Universal would take action against that.
I personally want extinct Holocene animals in Planet Zoo specifically because I dream of the idea of re-creating the very real mammoth steppe, something that requires animals of the past and the present to complete. Zoo games of the past have done this, there's no reason why it can't be done now. We're living in a time of incomplete ecosystems, it's long due to be acknowledged.
I don't know that people are "condescending" so much as just opposed to it. The general logic seems to be that they would prefer to have the current roster of living animals fleshed out before Frontier shifts their gaze elsewhere... And I have to say that I agree with that. And I think that's where a lot of the "friction" comes in. People would prefer that Frontier focus on current animals, etc. and worry about expanding the overall scope of the game later.
For me, I think adding some of those Holocene animals down the line could be fun. But realistically, I bet it would happen waaaay down the line. After PZ is toward the end of its life cycle.
It's not that Frontier can't do it, I just don't think they will until way later if they do at all. Adding something like a mammoth or a thylacine (or a dodo) might be an interesting way for them to test the waters for a full-blown game in the future...
And, really, 2-3 years from now? I think folks would be willing to just buy a game full of prehistoric creatuers rather than ones from just one era. Depending on how that other game does too, there may be precedent in recent times for the success of games like that (legit blanking on what its called, but there's a similar game coming out soon that is just extinct animals that looks pretty fun).
I don't know that anybody has implied it should never be done at all, only that it shouldn't be a priority - which is perfectly reasonable.
The forums are generally more respecting of others' opinions, but dare suggest it on Reddit or Discord that that's the response you'll get.
Prehistoric Kingdom?
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I have nothing against extinct animals, but I'd rather see more present day animals first. I would LOVE to see a unicorn (cryptid) or extinct animal added in for April fools though!
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Why is it alright if you state your opinion that you would like extinct animals but it is wrong for people state that they would not like it?
Because “you do not have to buy it”?
I for one would also dislike if the game dlc cycle would be wasted on extinct or animals that never existed. It is quite easy really, considering the time they would spend on extinc dlc could be used on animals that live today. Stating that is not any less valid than the oposite view.
In the end, it is up to devs, so everyone should be able to let them know about what they would like to see (or not see in this case).
Because “you do not have to buy it”?
I for one would also dislike if the game dlc cycle would be wasted on extinct or animals that never existed. It is quite easy really, considering the time they would spend on extinc dlc could be used on animals that live today. Stating that is not any less valid than the oposite view.
In the end, it is up to devs, so everyone should be able to let them know about what they would like to see (or not see in this case).
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One side is gatekeeping what animals should be added; the other side is removing self-imposed boundaries.
Not it is not. It is simply stating what they would like/not like and stating personal reasons for it. As it should be. Developers at least can see what their playerbase think about it.
This is the equivalent of "why can't I put lions and tigers and bears in my JWE park?"
One is an established franchise with an established theme. The other is a newly sprung idea flourishing with potential. It's not at all an equivalency, especially several zoo games have also done the same. It would not be illogical for Planet Zoo to benchmark those games for its future, it may be even bring in nice profits.
You are right, Microsoft was the publisher of Zoo Tycoon and Zoo Tycoon 2, so they asked Frontier and as far as I see other companies too to develop these games ... but they are not the publisher of the current Planet Zoo, so they can't make "major decisions" to Planet Zoo.
Frontier is a independent company and they make decisions on their own. They are Developer and Publisher of Planet Zoo... so the thing you try to say here, is not right. Some games from Frontier even made it (will make it) to Sony Consoles! I would never think that Sony or Microsoft can have a "major say" in those Frontier games... they don't own Frontier, so Frontier can do what it likes to do, at least since Planet Coaster, JWE and now Planet Zoo... your statement makes people think they are not independent and can't make decisions without asking microsoft... so I send that answer. Frontier has the major say to PC, JWE and PZ and this is a Planet Zoo forum.
Just because different companies worked on the game, doesn't mean benchmarking can’t happen. Zoo Tycoon 2 is a game I highly suggest to Frontier if they want to benchmark another zoo simulator game, as that game has a relatively large following (even for vanilla gameplay).
Yes you're right there, people will compare the games and the possibilities of each game, but even if they are similar, they will never be the same in the end - and Frontier can develop very different interests in the game over the lifetime... it's their choice what they make out of it and which ways they go with PZ since they're indepented. That's what I mean
I think it's too early to really compare them - it's not really ready yet... and even if Anno 1800 and Tropico 6 are kind of simular or Forza Horizon and the NFS series are kind of simular as arcade racers, they are complete different games which feel different to players, because the thought behind it and the development is a different one. Can't explain it better... I hope it makes sense 
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Well, at least the Himalayan brown bear is from a different continent from the grizzly bear compared to the Kodiak bear. And I'm with Mjan on this thing, it isn't that important for every single animal to be available in zoos, it's just a video game after all