We Shouldn't be Bound to Animals Only Found in Zoos
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Our understanding of today’s animals is still constantly changing. Just 2 years ago, a bunch of felines underwent a huge taxonomy change. This was so recent, that even this very game hasn’t completely accommodated for the changes (ex. both tigers in the game as just populations of the same subspecies). I think it’s fine if we have Holocene animals from before people rigorously researched them.
While i disagree to a point, because a simulation game can have any setting from a sci-fi theme to high fantasy, this game is
a complete different setup.
Before i see totally unfitting fantasy stuff like dragons and monsters, i rather have a wider variety of real animals.
Even if we have some unrealistic choices already and even if frontier goes that path a little further, theres a huge difference between a
dodo bird, a triceptosaurus and a pink unicorn.
Personally i don't want resources wasted on the last two in this game, and i wouldn't support such a DLC even.
I don't understand why people would want a partial DLC pack with a handful of creatures rather than a full-blown game with similar bells and whistles -- and scenery, facilities, etc. tailored specifically to that. To appropriately implement extinct animals, you would need different kinds of fences, different foliage, new (larger) food items, new enrichment items, new rides, and you would probably want different buildings and facilities, etc.
Nevermind the potential for scaling issues with the size of some of those dinosaurs...
I've said this about the marine/aquarium DLC content before, and I've honestly softened my positioning there a bit... But the call for dinosaurs and the like just feels like something that would be better-suited for a game independent of Planet Zoo. And I would say there's a strong possibility given that they were involved in ZT2013 and just now released Planet Zoo... It could happen somewhere down the line.
That being said...
I was on the fence with this sort of thing at first, but the more I think about it? It could be kind of fun to have a DLC pack wherein there's a new scenario that involves some sort of new technology that allows these recently extinct animals (thylacine, dodo, and maybe 3-4 others) to be "re-created" Jurassic Park-style. The challenge could be to research them, and start a breeding program to re-introduce them into the wild.
Likly to happen? I personally don't think so. Probably not for a few years, anyway. Haha. But it would be interesting and fun if it did!
Nevermind the potential for scaling issues with the size of some of those dinosaurs...
I've said this about the marine/aquarium DLC content before, and I've honestly softened my positioning there a bit... But the call for dinosaurs and the like just feels like something that would be better-suited for a game independent of Planet Zoo. And I would say there's a strong possibility given that they were involved in ZT2013 and just now released Planet Zoo... It could happen somewhere down the line.
That being said...
For me personally, adding something like dinosaurs or unicorns to this would kill the game for me. However, recently extinct animals like the Tasmanian Tiger or even the Dodo are intriguing in some way. Perhaps not to have them as regular habitat animals but... in some form
I was on the fence with this sort of thing at first, but the more I think about it? It could be kind of fun to have a DLC pack wherein there's a new scenario that involves some sort of new technology that allows these recently extinct animals (thylacine, dodo, and maybe 3-4 others) to be "re-created" Jurassic Park-style. The challenge could be to research them, and start a breeding program to re-introduce them into the wild.
Likly to happen? I personally don't think so. Probably not for a few years, anyway. Haha. But it would be interesting and fun if it did!
Nothing you listed couldn’t be added in an expansion pack ala Zoo Tycoon 2. I’d even argue that any extinct Holocene animal could be properly accommodated with what the game already has at its disposal.
It's a different era. I don't think we'll get DLC that is anywhere near as expansive as those expansion packs. I'm sure we'll get some that have new animals along with enrichment items, foliage, probably a new theme or two or three, new scenery, etc. And over time, the additional DLC packs combined will add up to what was in those expansion packs. But it is more than likely going to be spread out over a number of smaller packs rather than a handful of larger expansions.
I honestly feel that adding something like dinosaurs to the game, and doing so with the level of detail and rigor that Frontier has done with the game already, would involve a slew of additional materials that would hit a point where it might as well be a new game. And wouldn't you want all of those new pieces to tailor your zoo toward its new inhabitants
And, again, thinking about the scaling of it all... The space the dinosaurs would need... It just feels like it would be more fun to play (even if they did release a massive expansion) in a game that's tailor-fit for it.
So, can it be done? Yes. Do I think it's likely to happen? No. If it does, I would imagine it would be ~3 years from now when the game is at the end of its life cycle....
Dinosaurs, sure. But there's dozens of extinct animals they could add that are distinctly not dinosaurs (or even avian dinosaurs).
This was said thousands of times,but if we're talking about extinct Animals,id want to see tasmanian Tiger,quagga,and maybe great auk and Dodo. And surely i want to see scimitar oryx(EW)nd if i had to choose from the Deer family,instead of Red Deer or Ełk,i would choose Milu Deer,that is also extinct in the wild
That's a fair point (and one I know you've made before), but when most refer to "extinct animals" they're lumping dinosaurs in with that as well. Hah.
Anyway. I could see it maybe happening with exctinct non-dinosaur animals on a very small scale (maybe one pack of DLC; 5-6 animals that are recently extinct within the last ~100-150 years) after they're done releasing DLC of animals currently living toward the end of the game's life cycle. It would actually fit in pretty nicely with the intent of the game, particularly if you include something like the Tasmanian tiger that went extinct primarily due to mankind... It would fit within the whole "conservation" angle that the game takes, and I can imagine that would be an incredibly fitting community challenge too in terms of breeding too.
Imagine breeding Tasmanian Tigers for a community challenge and, at the end, something like this pops up:
“Congratulations! Your combined efforts have brought the Tasmanian Tiger back in the wild and the species is safe again!
Unfortunately, we can’t do the same in our world. The Tasmanian Tiger is extinct and gone forever. We don’t have second chances, and so we must strive to protect every species on the globe. Because in our world, going extinct is definitive.
Take care of our animals.
[Maybe some details on why and when real Tasmanian tigers became extinct].”
Sorry by the awkward grammar, but I think the message actually could be really good.
“Congratulations! Your combined efforts have brought the Tasmanian Tiger back in the wild and the species is safe again!
Unfortunately, we can’t do the same in our world. The Tasmanian Tiger is extinct and gone forever. We don’t have second chances, and so we must strive to protect every species on the globe. Because in our world, going extinct is definitive.
Take care of our animals.
[Maybe some details on why and when real Tasmanian tigers became extinct].”
Sorry by the awkward grammar, but I think the message actually could be really good.
Personally I think we should focus on saving what we still have rather than chase dreams of what used to be here. I know it’s just a game but I feel the same about Planet Zoo. It has the potential to educate and advocate for conservation and I would prefer that energy to go into living animal species rather than extinct species.
One example I read, someone had never heard of okapis. Now they have. I think it’s fantastic that a game can have that positive impact and educational potential.
One example I read, someone had never heard of okapis. Now they have. I think it’s fantastic that a game can have that positive impact and educational potential.
You're implying that only extant animals can educate people. Zoos are also making efforts to preserve animals that are extinct in the wild (ex. scimitar horned oryx, Père David's deer), so having animals that are currently extinct in zoos would essentially put them in this very boat.
I know it’s a crazy idea, but people find different things fun.
But that doesn't mean we should prevent other people from having their fun. A more diverse variety of animals means more people will be having fun.
I’m not. My personal wish is that the game educates people about what we still have rather than what we have lost. Extinct animals are gone forever but species which are currently extinct in the wild are not. So for me they are in entirely different boats. One is a lifeboat, the other is the Titanic.
But sometimes extinct animals are necessary for the benefit of the extant animals. Andean condors, for example, relied on the extinct ground sloths and stegodonts. Now they're forced to feed from livestock. Those very ground sloths were also vital to spreading the seeds of today's avocado plants.
We're living in a world of broken ecosystems, it's due time this has been acknowledged. We can't fully fix the present without the keystones of the past.
Yeah, I’m fine with people getting whatever they want for the game. I wish every single person could had their wishlist added.
But resources are limited, and that’s why we know that someone will not get it. Having extinct animals can mean not having European ones, for example. Marine animals can mean we will never get aviaries. Please note that this are only examples using popular requests, but still Frontier will have to choose some animals and that will leave others out. It’s inevitable.
That’s why people is fighting against ideas they find that don’t even fit the game. Not because they hate other people having fun.
I think that comment, is just to create an argument that nobody is talking about. Same goes with some other assumptions/implications.
Some people want extinct animals, some want mythical animals, some want dinos..
I think when you develop a zoo game, you should stick with that vision. Zoo game = zoo animals.
You will get the same discussions when people want features from Saints Row IV in GTA 5 / CoD in Battlefield. I feel that this discussion is like asking for medieval weapons from Mordhau to be BF5 DLC..
Mentioned this before (and others as well), people who are looking for this - they should really check out Prehistoric Kingdom (currently in Alpha)
Among with dinos, mammals have been confirmed as well like Daeodon, Mammoth, Hyeanadon, Megatherium , Megaloceros, Woolly Rhino, Antique Bison, Smilodon, Dire bear & Paraceratherium.
(Geekism has couple of vids on gameplay - looks really good)
I've put this game in my wishlist as well, some weeks ago.. I think Frontier won't be competing with other devs when it comes to such features.. They will never get close to the detail of PK.. They actually focus their game on this.
Maybe if you advocate for more mammals from a specific period in a game that's currently in Alpha - you'd actually have a real chance.. It fits the theme perfectly.