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[VR] Mad Mike

[VR] Mad Mike
Personally I like both games , tho I have different expectations from each of them.
NMS was a mess at launch and I had zero interest in it. Since then however the Devs have done superb work improving it and after the last update when they added VR it was finally worth a buy for me..
IF you don't like the Vibe is going for however then that is understandable. I play NMS as a pure fantasy game and as such i do not have anywhere near the high hopes that I have for ED.

ED however, I got that game for a more hard sci fi fix. Things like the galaxy simulation and the flight model are light years (imo) ahead of NMS and personally I much prefer the graphics style. The big difference however and what is important to me is that (within its own rules set) is that ED is more grounded in reality

I want ED to feel plausible IF we ever got FTL travel. It is why I have higher demands from ED and why I am far FAR more invested in it. NMS is not a game I hope to be playing 10 years from now it is the game equivalent of fast food where as ED is the meal I saved up for and ordered from a posh restaurant

I hope both do well for their niche

Regarding steam. Steam imo is not good at predicting ED or NMS player numbers for pc (this is an optimistic observation). ED is sold on 2 major pc platforms as well as direct from frontier using their own launcher. I don't play it on steam so my pc gameplay is never counted for instance.
NMS is also sold DRM free (however I did get that on steam myself)
 
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Taimaru

Taimaru
I like both games (ED more than NMS) although I don't play ED through Steam so can you please add +1 to the ED statistics.

Oh, and I no longer play No Man's Sky through Steam since Valve recently screwed up the UI of the launcher big time, however,I haven't been playing No Man's Sky anyway so no need to add me to the NMS statistics.

That is why one shouldn't pay too many attention to game statistics...
 

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shreddog said:
It seems ED has twice the number of players on average than NMS.
ED: https://steamcharts.com/app/359320#7d
NMS: https://steamcharts.com/app/275850#7d

Not too bad considering NMS had a major content update recently, while Elite only had the ARX shop update with (allegedly ;))many metric tons of bugs.

NMS has huge peaks of players at major content updates, but they all fade away from the game rather quick.
NMS only manages to keep a few percent(~5% of last peak) of players interested.

Meanwhile Elite has kept ~25% of its all-time peak, playing the game regularly.

It seems Frontier has a solid foundation to continue building on.
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Remember that's concurrent players, not the player base.

But ED has always been like that.
 

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CmdMarty said:
Well duh one game has a following over decades while the other was new to the genre! But it is kind of funny one is a small team able to put out game changing content regularly with no dlc!
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And in my view is still a crap game. No matter what they do, it just can't seem to get any better. For me it's the core game mechanics. They are so basic and have never changed.
 

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CMDR Karrde Sun said:
No Mans Sky and Elite Dangerous are polar opposites.

No Mans Sky: Unappealing game made by hipsters that only a hipster could love from an excellent developer.
Elite Dangerous: An excellent subjective choice of content by disappointing developers.

I think the only reason i have issue is i want it all. But sometimes we can just cant...

EDIT: No wait that's not even the problem. Its actually really easy to accept the reality of things, the only issue is when you see or are attacked by apologetic behaviour. That actually drives home and makes it harder for the developer to change their goodwill because there's all this white knight thick skin cynicism that objective people have built up.

If you look at the steam reviews, they are generally positive. What do you think is going to happen when people who like the game and express a concern get attacked by a white knight. Good faith immediately gets flipped to hostile in response.
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Still looking for those white knights. Tell me when you find one.
 

M00ka

M00ka
Speedcuffs said:
Or is it...
Anyone who actually still plays the game!:eek:
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But wouldn't the fact that one still actively plays the game be considered an exploit in the forum wars? After all, a current player has an insurmountable advantage as they actually know what is going on in the game and don't have to rely on gossip, innuendo, speculation, lies, self centered You-Tube presenters and influencers and those that sit outside FD HQ in their lawn chairs waving the placards and screaming abuse with the odd threat of court action.

:D
 

Barking_Mad

Barking_Mad
Kubicide said:
Lol love it... If there's even the smallest fragment of some sort of hope that Elite is 'better' than, well, anything else, does the Steam Chart data seem to have some value. Otherwise the faithful grab their pitchfork's to Lynch such heretic thoughts. But, alas, as in previous attempts of improving one's self confidence, this one also fails to state that NMS is primarily a single player offline game, and Elite is errr not an offline game but wanted to be. And also NMS outsold Elite by, what, 10x or greater in it's first week of sales alone. But hey, don't let reality spoil ones imagination! Rejoice all ye Elite faithful, rejoice! For what I don't know... :cool:
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Thanks for your quality input as usual.
 

babelfisch

babelfisch
CMDR Karrde Sun said:
EDIT: No wait that's not even the problem. Its actually really easy to accept the reality of things, the only issue is when you see or are attacked by apologetic behaviour. That actually drives home and makes it harder for the developer to change their goodwill because there's all this white knight thick skin cynicism that objective people have built up.

If you look at the steam reviews, they are generally positive. What do you think is going to happen when people who like the game and express a concern get attacked by a white knight. Good faith immediately gets flipped to hostile in response.
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If you stop imagining white knights they will go away (doesn't work against Stigbob).
 

VR SenseiMatty

VR SenseiMatty
Max Factor said:
Still looking for those white knights. Tell me when you find one.
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Gregg Rulz ok said:
Now.
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M00ka said:
I see the new definition for a white knight is now anyone who doesn't criticise the game ;)
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No one asked my opinion so here it is:

White Knight:
A White Knight is a person that jumps into a forum discussion to defend the game and counter attack on the person who put a critic, often accusing the person of ignorance, incompetence and trolling.
For a White Knight the game is perfect as it is and it needs no fix nor improvement. Any additional content (even if delayed, incomplete or bugged) is a generous extra that deserves admiration.

Yes I remember some people acting so here, but I'm too bad at remembering names so actually I can't point my finger towards no one in particular 🤷‍♂️
 
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