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From ~11000% to ~122000% GPU usage? those numbers are very odd… but i would watch the 92C CPU temp - that is getting close to burnout for any piece of silicon… tbh leaving it on mixed integrated/discrete GPU usage is probably best - let the iGPU handle basic display tasks as its meant to, with the discrete GPU doing the heavy work, ie: ED’s 3D rendering - I doubt loading the discrete GPU with all the work will lead to any performance improvement?
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From ~11000% to ~122000% GPU usage? those numbers are very odd… but i would watch the 92C CPU temp - that is getting close to burnout for any piece of silicon… tbh leaving it on mixed integrated/discrete GPU usage is probably best - let the iGPU handle basic display tasks as its meant to, with the discrete GPU doing the heavy work, ie: ED’s 3D rendering - I doubt loading the discrete GPU with all the work will lead to any performance improvement?
I've been feverishly hunting for salad but, alas, it looks like I'll go hungry today...
Well, from my observations so far, this setting is an improvement, as it stops the CPU and mainboard / RAM from overheating, which they would regularly be sitting at the very brink of before. The MX 250 does seem to handle the load of 180,930,194,964,480 % 3D usage (before, it were about 120% at best) quite well, as the temperature stayed about the same as before. I guess the usage of the integrated GPU stems from being the connection to my monitor via the HDMI port. But the temperature tells me that the nominal increase didn't do much to the temperature load of the iGPU, perhaps even lower it a few degrees.
The overall performance didn't change much, aside from reducing the amount of thermal throtteling to a minimum. Before, I had to wait for a few minutes after the graphis had loaded in to get it all to settle down, as any action would result in a series of screen freezes. Now, this is reduced to some slight stutter. Still not optimal, but about a minute of waiting there can alleviate that easily.
This all hints that @0threeleven had the right idea. If left unchecked, the discrete GPU and its specialized RAM would be mostly ignored and trundle along doing some minor computing tasks, while the integrated GPU would do all the work, stressing the CPU, the RAM and the mainboard in an unduly manner.
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Salad takes time to grow. And about as much time to hunt. Hunting hungrily isn't advisable, as it reduces the amount of patience the hunter has to spare.
This is why salad hunting is a good idea, things would be much worse for the Hungry Hunter if it was food we were hunting rather than what food eats.
Ah ok, switching the iGPU off means it uses less (or even none of?) system RAM - if memory is under pressure, this could well give it a bit more breathing space
Last night I forded halfway across the gap from one "S-C arm" to the next . Scutum-Centaurus arm passing through the veils over to Sagitarrius-Carina's arm in Mare Somnia.
Now I entered Mare Somnia region and the star density is still pretty easy here near the plane. When I reach the other arm I will descend along it like the purple line and out towards the tenebrae's, probably well short but I'm near my mission's ultimate plan to get as clear a view of the magellanic clouds as I can. Far out!
And I wonder if those clouds are where the tharmaloids sent the titans from .. I better keep my eyes peeled if they are stargazing me back from the other side!
. Scutum-Centaurus arm passing through the veils over to Sagitarrius-Carina's arm in Mare Somnia.Now I entered Mare Somnia region and the star density is still pretty easy here near the plane. When I reach the other arm I will descend along it like the purple line and out towards the tenebrae's, probably well short but I'm near my mission's ultimate plan to get as clear a view of the magellanic clouds as I can. Far out!
And I wonder if those clouds are where the tharmaloids sent the titans from .. I better keep my eyes peeled if they are stargazing me back from the other side!
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The iGPU isn't switched off, but the dGPU is now the preferred GPU for Elite. The system RAM will still be used, but not as frequently as before.Ah ok, switching the iGPU off means it uses less (or even none of?) system RAM - if memory is under pressure, this could well give it a bit more breathing space
Oh that is exactly what I'm doing now!
My "main" is litrerally drowning in credits and perfectly engineered ships. She's OPAF and it got more than a little boring.
My re-rolled alt is getting a little closer to the rebuy cost than I'd like (60kcr!) after working his peachy bits off to bag the G2 Maverick with night vision he stumbled across last night. He bought a Cobra Mk. III tonight and has a mean 48T of cargo space. Let's not talk about the shielding. Or the thrusters...
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The GPU probably has a dedicated pipe to an HDMI socket. The Intel GPU will use others. Turning the Intel GPU off will likely result in what you found - no output.
I went about 10 pages back in the thread, and I'm still not clear on what you're trying to achieve. What exactly is the issue?
My main problem was that the laptop started to run too hot for its own good, even while watching videos on the tube. And, in particular when watching videos, the RAM would run full, making it near impossible to watch without having to frequently restarting the computer. @0threeleven had the idea that getting some more RAM could help the issue. Which it did, to an extent. It showed us that there was another weak spot - the relation between the GPU part of the Intel Core i5 10210U APU and the discrete GPU (NVidia GeForce MX 250), where the integrated GPU would do all the work while the MX 250 would more or less idle along. Turning off the iGPU wouldn't work on this laptop, as the dGPU doesn't seem to have a direct connection to the HDMI output. There is a USB 3.1 Type-C port with displayport feature, though. I wonder...* But Win 11 has an option to change which GPU is adressed for gaming use, which helped in so far that the heat levels stepped back a little, giving me a margin to cope with the temperatures in my room in summer.
I hope this was helpful for you to understand what is going on...
*: This was just an idea that struck me while writing this, feel free to ignore it for the sake of understanding.
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Thank you for taking the time to explain.
That configuration is normal for laptops with discrete GPUs. However, that the CPU is overheating when watching YouTube is concerning. There haven't been any codec updates that should make the CPU render in software. It should use the hardware codec built into the CPU. Have you got all the Intel drivers installed? There is a dedicated Intel thermal management framework that manages power states.
If you are certain your firmware is fully present and up to date, then I would begin looking at whether the CPU is making proper contact with the thermal paste and heatsink.
The CPU and dGPU also share the thermal solution, so I wonder whether the update to the graphics pipeline with Odyssey (which makes GPUs work considerably harder) isn't overwhelming the heatsink and fan assembly. There is a limit to what those dinky heatsinks can do.
Depending on your BIOS , it may be possible to use Throttlestop or Intel Extreme Tuning Utility (XTU) to undervolt the CPU. I suspect that this will be of limited use as you are already on a low-voltage part - the U suffix on the CPU indicates that it is an Ultrabook part. Nevertheless, this is worth investiating; the Plundervolt exploit prompted Intel to issue guidance to vendors that they disable undervolting in BIOS. Updates primarily affected 12th- and 13th-gen parts, but Dell blocked undervolting on even my 8th-gen 8300H laptop. I had to use a BIOS hack to get the CPU temperatures back under control.
Another approach will be to cap the power curve on your dGPU. Nvidia mobile GPUs regularly feature power curves lifted directly from their desktop variants. This is obviously stupid, as the TDPs of each are very, very different. It causes the dGPU to ramp up power consumption, dump the energy as heat into the thermal solution and cause throttling in both the CPU and GPU. You can use Afterburner to pin the power at the appropriate level. This is a software fix that must be turned on and off. You will lose a few fps in ultimate performance, but your average framerate will be higher and your heatsink will not have heat dumped into it needlessly, giving the CPU more overhead.
I'm happy to help you with the software interventions. The first thing to do though is check your CPU/GPU heatsink is making proper contact. I'd look into reapplying thermal paste in the first instance.
And yes, telling Windows to use the dGPU for gaming is a good idea, especially if it isn't doing so already.
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When I upgraded the RAM, I took a closer look at the heat dissipation solution. Everything looked fine, but I left everything in place, as I didn't have any thermal paste at hand. I was expecting to see a lot of dust in the heatsink and fan, but got a pleasant surprise - the fan was clean, almost like on day one. The same with the heatsink. I didn't take any chances and blew some compressed air through the heatsink. Just to make sure nothing was hiding somewhere.
Your post inspired me to do some digging if there was any Intel software on this machine and found to pieces of code: the Intel Optane storage management and the Intel Graphics Control Room. In the latter, I found some information about my GPUs:
I don't know if this gives you any idea.
The two drivers seem to be inter-related for the MX250.
Are there any driver updates on the manufacturer website?
Are there any driver updates on the manufacturer website?
The drivers for the MX 250 are manually updated by me via GeForce Experience.
It is fascinating how much influence the ambient air temperature has on the temperature of my laptop...
The room temperature dropped about 5°C - the temperatures inside the laptop dropped at least 10°C.
The room temperature dropped about 5°C - the temperatures inside the laptop dropped at least 10°C.
Weeee!
And that pushed me to #190 on Inara. That's hilarious!
And that pushed me to #190 on Inara. That's hilarious!
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Right on Commander!
Nicely done Tyres. What is that in? Combat, Trade, what?
Number 190 is amazing, congrats. That's the 1% of the 1%. I recently came back and vaulted from 32,000, where I had fallen to after sitting out two years, to 11,000. And partly that is due to...
I hit combat Elite to hit trips. Seven years, nearly to the day, since I picked up Elite Dangerous and declared triple Elite was my goal. Seven years is a slow burn, no doubt, but cross the line, I have. I do believe that about six years ago in response to a post in this thread, I said if I ever hit it I would post here as an update. I didn't expect it to take so long but so long it took.
For what it is worth, if anyone comes along and wonders, it took 6,200 kills to reach. I intentionally avoided minions the entire way so not to share the spoils (and XP, importantly).
It was about 3,000 kills to reach Deadly, and another again to reach Elite.
Number 190 is amazing, congrats. That's the 1% of the 1%. I recently came back and vaulted from 32,000, where I had fallen to after sitting out two years, to 11,000. And partly that is due to...
I hit combat Elite to hit trips. Seven years, nearly to the day, since I picked up Elite Dangerous and declared triple Elite was my goal. Seven years is a slow burn, no doubt, but cross the line, I have. I do believe that about six years ago in response to a post in this thread, I said if I ever hit it I would post here as an update. I didn't expect it to take so long but so long it took.
For what it is worth, if anyone comes along and wonders, it took 6,200 kills to reach. I intentionally avoided minions the entire way so not to share the spoils (and XP, importantly).
It was about 3,000 kills to reach Deadly, and another again to reach Elite.
Thanks!
It's in exobiology.
To be honest, that Inara ranking is odd because I really don't feel like I earned it
I suppose I just play too much!
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