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Lysette

Lysette
Tyres O'Flaherty said:
Oh, I dunno...

We can sccop fuel from stars, fly at supra-light speeds in systems and jump through hyperspace tunnels... :D
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Terraforming would be a process which takes hundreds of years - it is not something done in a single generation and not suitable for a game like ED.

And even hundreds of years is already very optimistic - it could well be thousands of years or even tens of thousands of years. it is not just creating an atmosphere, what about the soil that plants have to create over quite a long time, where they have to evolve to adapt to the changing situation. I work with complex adaptive systems in my profession and when I learned one thing of all of that is, that you cannot engineer such a system, it has to evolve to be somewhat chaos-stable - and that is a rather long process.

I just thought about the biosphere experiments on earth - both failed - they tried to engineer such a system, and of course it failed, it isn't chaos-stable.
 
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Tyres O'Flaherty

Tyres O'Flaherty
Lysette said:
Terraforming would be a process which takes hundreds of years - it is not something done in a single generation and not suitable for a game like ED.

And even hundreds of years is already very optimistic - it could well be thousands of years or even tens of thousands of years. it is not just creating an atmosphere, what about the soil that plants have to create over quite a long time, where they have to evolve to adapt to the changing situation. I work with complex adaptive systems in my profession and when I learned one thing of all of that is, that you cannot engineer such a system, it has to evolve to be somewhat chaos-stable - and that is a rather long process.
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I understand and take yours and @arj's point. But we're judging things by what we understand now: imagine trying to explain an mp3 file to someone from WW1... :D

And then, of course, we are playing a sci-fi game so, theoretically, humans could have found how to speed up the process or, indeed, adopted alien technology.

All pure conjecture on my part ;) Or fantasy.
 

Lysette

Lysette
Tyres O'Flaherty said:
I understand and take yours and @arj's point. But we're judging things by what we understand now: imagine trying to explain an mp3 file to someone from WW1... :D

And then, of course, we are playing a sci-fi game so, theoretically, humans could have found how to speed up the process or, indeed, adopted alien technology.

All pure conjecture on my part ;) Or fantasy.
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I'll tell you, why you cannot engineer it chaos-stable - there are quite a lot of things which are of infinite complexity - an adaptive system can cope with this over time and adapts to the actual events happening and just those quite good adapted will make it and create new variants, which will be successful for as long as they are not too perfect. The nature of an adaptive system and it's top survivors are, that they are quite good, but not perfect - perfection is where they get too predictable and something will evolve which is abusing their predictability and that is the end of them then - even if there are no other catastrophic events happening, the nearer they get to perfection the more likely they are to not make it in the long run - and what does an engineered system do?- It tries to be perfect, the worst it could try actually - nothing in nature is perfect by exactly that reason - but it is chaos-stable, it can gradually adapt and get more and more "experience" even about those parts, which are of infinite complexity and cannot be calculated.

An engineering process is doomed with something like that.

Top species (can as well be something gradually adapting, doesn't have to be a life form) are always operating at the small edge between being good enough and becoming too perfect - at this small edge the top species compete and being just a bit too perfect will make them go extinct. For operating in that small edge area an evolving species is well suited, an engineered process is most likely not. Like, how would you calculate where the edge is and how would it have to change over time - well complex adaptation does the trick, but it is not a fast process - so I really doubt that this can be done in a short amount of time ( short as in a couple of generations).
 
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Codger

Codger
One hour to go until Phase 2.

Conflict zones look intense.

But they're giving us a Cobra and 300k (added to whatever we have now).

I may try out the CZ, or I may go planet spelunking instead. If I can find a DSS I might have fun looking for new stuffs.
 

Skürt Avil

Skürt Avil
Lysette said:
I'll tell you, why you cannot engineer it chaos-stable - there are quite a lot of things which are of infinite complexity - an adaptive system can cope with this over time and adapts to the actual events happening and just those quite good adapted will make it and create new variants, which will be successful for as long as they are not too perfect. The nature of an adaptive system and it's top survivors are, that they are quite good, but not perfect - perfection is where they get too predictable and something will evolve which is abusing their predictability and that is the end of them then - even if there are no other catastrophic events happening, the nearer they get to perfection the more likely they are to not make it in the long run - and what does an engineered system do?- It tries to be perfect, the worst it could try actually - nothing in nature is perfect by exactly that reason - but it is chaos-stable, it can gradually adapt and get more and more "experience" even about those parts, which are of infinite complexity and cannot be calculated.

An engineering process is doomed with something like that.

Top species (can as well be something gradually adapting, doesn't have to be a life form) are always operating at the small edge between being good enough and becoming too perfect - at this small edge the top species compete and being just a bit too perfect will make them go extinct. For operating in that small edge area an evolving species is well suited, an engineered process is most likely not. Like, how would you calculate where the edge is and how would it have to change over time - well complex adaptation does the trick, but it is not a fast process - so I really doubt that this can be done in a short amount of time ( short as in a couple of generations).
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They had the Genesis Device in Wrath of Khan and that was in 2285.
 

Tyres O'Flaherty

Tyres O'Flaherty
dysonl said:
They had the Genesis Device in Wrath of Khan and that was in 2285.
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^This

This is where I'm coming from. It's sci-fi so literally anything is possible. I remember reading a book some time ago now, where the world's poles had shifted because the earth had tilted 90 degrees - mountains no longer went up; they went sideways.

How about folding space a la Dune?

Teleporters?

Or even the Magrathean, Slartibartfast?

I don't dispute your thinking @Lysette - you're way above my head with this stuff! :D I'm just making a case for terraforming in fictional terms.

On another note, it appears they've put the distance into the missions in Odyssey! \o/

EDIT On yet another note, I really underestimated the Dolphin's ability as an exploration vessel. It turns on a sixpence in SC, yaws like a boss and doesn't know what "heat" means!
 
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aRJay

aRJay
Tyres O'Flaherty said:
^This

This is where I'm coming from. It's sci-fi so literally anything is possible. I remember reading a book some time ago now, where the world's poles had shifted because the earth had tilted 90 degrees - mountains no longer went up; they went sideways.

How about folding space a la Dune?

Teleporters?

Or even the Magrathean, Slartibartfast?

I don't dispute your thinking @Lysette - you're way above my head with this stuff! :D I'm just making a case for terraforming in fictional terms.

On another note, it appears they've put the distance into the missions in Odyssey! \o/

EDIT On yet another note, I really underestimated the Dolphin's ability as an exploration vessel. It turns on a sixpence in SC, yaws like a boss and doesn't know what "heat" means!
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There is also a whole new station services menu in our ships the front end of which looks like the Fleet Carrier menu.
 

Codger

Codger
I decided not to join in the combat frenzy, and instead went off to scan some planets. And I found biological plant life! (human for scale)

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Going up to these things in the SRV, and then getting out and walking right up to them...yeah...I liked that a lot.

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Here I am next to the Cobra and the SRV. Quite a sense of scale in the game, now!
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I dunno what's going on in the conflict zones, but out here it is mighty peaceful.

:)
 

Lysette

Lysette
Tyres O'Flaherty said:
^This

This is where I'm coming from. It's sci-fi so literally anything is possible. I remember reading a book some time ago now, where the world's poles had shifted because the earth had tilted 90 degrees - mountains no longer went up; they went sideways.

How about folding space a la Dune?

Teleporters?

Or even the Magrathean, Slartibartfast?

I don't dispute your thinking @Lysette - you're way above my head with this stuff! :D I'm just making a case for terraforming in fictional terms.

On another note, it appears they've put the distance into the missions in Odyssey! \o/

EDIT On yet another note, I really underestimated the Dolphin's ability as an exploration vessel. It turns on a sixpence in SC, yaws like a boss and doesn't know what "heat" means!
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I love that vessel - I use it mainly as a mix of passenger transport, cargo ship and for small scale exploration all in one. So I rarely have to wait for suitable missions, there is pretty much always something I can do at an acceptable reward. A really nice nimble and agile ship.
 

Lysette

Lysette
aRJay said:
I find after I have been flying the Dolphin for a while that I need to be really careful when jumping with another ship as I have learned such bad habits with respect to heat and safe jumping.
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not to forget, if something would go really wrong, the rebuy value isn't that high either - you get a lot of ship for a quite low price. Another aspect of it, it is using small landing pads, so you don't have to wait at a busy outpost until a medium pad will be free - that happened to me often with the T6, that I had to wait for a medium landing pad.
 
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KnezBP

KnezBP
Codger said:
One hour to go until Phase 2.

Conflict zones look intense.

But they're giving us a Cobra and 300k (added to whatever we have now).

I may try out the CZ, or I may go planet spelunking instead. If I can find a DSS I might have fun looking for new stuffs.
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We get a Cobra? Nice. I thought they were only offering a Sidewinder. I updated via the launcher yesterday but I haven't jumped in yet.

I also watched some of Exigeous's initial live stream and he pointed out that he likes to switch his keys one step to the right so his index finger rests on the 'F'. I tried this for Elite and Hunt Showdown and it does feel more natural to me. Plus it can be awkward trying to find the tab to CTRL keys with your little finger sometimes. Not to mention that accidentally hitting caps lock might produce a weird result in some games anyway.
 

Codger

Codger
After spending the last couple weeks just exploring the Alpha of Odyssey, I decided to get back to the main game for a while and start a new project.

It was great to get back to my carrier and all my ships. In the Alpha I'm poor!

Here's a shot of my Dolphin in the carrier's hangar. I don't know why, I just felt like flying it. :)

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