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You know that they could end the argument, instantly just by publishing some kind of figures of players participating in PP. Even if they just said for the last 3 months Xish number of players have played in open and Yish number in private and Zish in solo. At least then players would have an idea. If there was 500 players in open but 2000 in private and or solo, it would kill half the argument, or give the 500 and their supporters some direction. Allowing fine tuning which FD could totally ignore.

Obviously the reverse could be also true in that if it’s mostly open play then that gives ammo to the open only option.

Currently the player base is a bit like mushrooms.
 
You know that they could end the argument, instantly just by publishing some kind of figures of players participating in PP. Even if they just said for the last 3 months Xish number of players have played in open and Yish number in private and Zish in solo. At least then players would have an idea. If there was 500 players in open but 2000 in private and or solo, it would kill half the argument, or give the 500 and their supporters some direction. Allowing fine tuning which FD could totally ignore.

Obviously the reverse could be also true in that if it’s mostly open play then that gives ammo to the open only option.

Currently the player base is a bit like mushrooms.

Alas, it wouldn't work.

If the numbers didn't support those screaming for open only - they'd accuse Frontier of making them up to shut people up.
And if the numbers support the idea of open only content, PvE players have "what happen you play your way?" question at the ready.

So either way, Frontier lose.
 
Its a small unique boost from the side grade. And gives each specific power its identity.

It also doesn't make sense to get the PP modules from all different powers. So if one switches Power, one should lose the specific module for the power they left.
 
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You know that they could end the argument, instantly just by publishing some kind of figures of players participating in PP. Even if they just said for the last 3 months Xish number of players have played in open and Yish number in private and Zish in solo. At least then players would have an idea. If there was 500 players in open but 2000 in private and or solo, it would kill half the argument, or give the 500 and their supporters some direction. Allowing fine tuning which FD could totally ignore.

Obviously the reverse could be also true in that if it’s mostly open play then that gives ammo to the open only option.

Currently the player base is a bit like mushrooms.

I'm trying to keep an open mind on player numbers, it is the key piece of information that justifies any decision on whether PP could be repurposed. It seems clear to me that something is needed, PP is just a cheap way to give some meaning to PvP by re-using existing assets. If OOPP doesn't happen at least we know Sandro's eyes are open to the need for a solution, if that's the case I'm optimistic a new layer could be introduced (ie a PvP flag rather than a PvE flag).
 
It also doesn't make sense to get the PP modules from all different powers. So if one switches Power, one should lose the specific module for the power they left.

I agree. I think quite a lot of the frustration players express about 'grind' is down to feeling they need to have all these toys, and the module storage to be able to store enough once they leave the faction. The system is being cynically exploited by min/maxers imo, I'd like to see that loophole (being able to retain them after un-pledging) closed.
 
Yes if you are a member of a Gym you get to use all the nice equipment. Then if you leave or don’t pay your fees you can’t use it or even enter the building.

In ED you can join use all the equipment, leave or not pay your dues and still use the pool when ever you want, while others pay for the same service.

That’s broken imo.
 
Yes if you are a member of a Gym you get to use all the nice equipment. Then if you leave or don’t pay your fees you can’t use it or even enter the building.

In ED you can join use all the equipment, leave or not pay your dues and still use the pool when ever you want, while others pay for the same service.

That’s broken imo.

All RL analogies to games in fantasy universes where mechanics and gameplay trump realism are broken, imo.
 
You know that they could end the argument, instantly just by publishing some kind of figures of players participating in PP. Even if they just said for the last 3 months Xish number of players have played in open and Yish number in private and Zish in solo. At least then players would have an idea. If there was 500 players in open but 2000 in private and or solo, it would kill half the argument, or give the 500 and their supporters some direction. Allowing fine tuning which FD could totally ignore.

Obviously the reverse could be also true in that if it’s mostly open play then that gives ammo to the open only option.

Currently the player base is a bit like mushrooms.

Except that the arguement for open only isn't really dependent on the numbers. If anything, the only way publishing those numbers would undermine the arguement for open only is if the number of players playing PP in solo or PG was small enough to be insignificant. Then you could coounter the open only argument by saying that not enough players are p[laying in solo or PG for them to have a significant influence on the outcome, so forcing them into open would have no meaningful impact, and since they aren't having a significant impact on the outcome, they might as well be left to play in their preferred mode.
 
Power Play is, and was at the time DBOBE said it, part of "the entire game".

And PP was made with the mode system in mind, look at the quotes on "The Wall of Information" in my Sig.
Ok, there's a slight misunderstanding here. I'm not saying that open is "the way it was meant to be played". When I said that, I wasn't refering to game mode. I meant more in the same way that you can't do bulk-trading in a fully combat fitted ship, grind CZs in a dedicated mining ship, or mine in a trade-optimized T7.

I would actually be perfectly happy with people continuing to PP in solo or PG, so long as the underlying issues were addressed in some manner. Open-only is probably the easiest solution to those issues, and it is the one FD seem to be looking at, but that doesn't mean it is the only solution.

Frankly, just making NPC interdictions even close to the threat of player interdictions, in the context of PP (so interdictions by NPCS aligned with opposing factions, while you are conducting PP activities, not just all the time, regardless of whether you PP or not) would be a reasonable solution IMO.

Currently NPC interdictions pose no threat whatsoever, and are not a factor at all. PP is my main chosen activity in game when I'm not grinding (I don't care about credits, or having the big ships, so I don't grind for credits or faction rank, only for engineering new modules to try different loadouts on my ships), and I can't even remember the last time I was successfully interdicted by a PP NPC, or even had one attempt to interdict me, and when an NPC does interdict you, you can literally escape in an unshielded T7 without taking a hit 95% of the time, and you would have to make some sort of major mistake to ever be in real danger from them.

Edit: Just to clarify, I only got involved in this discussion because people are denying that there is an issue just because this proposed solution inconviniences them. I am totally behind people being able to do their chosen activities in whichever mode they chose (unless they want to PvP in Solo ;P ), but that is the current issue with PP, if you want to PP seriously (ie not just module shopping), you are almost forced to do it in solo or PG, otherwise you have significantly less impact on the outcome of PP, which is decided by the actions of the people not in open.

If the people opposed to open-only PP had countered the arguments for it by saying "that just shifts the problem from one group of "Open players" to "Solo/PG players", maybe we should see if there is another way to fix the problem", I would be 100% on their side. Instead, the response was to simply deny that there even is a problem.
 
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It also doesn't make sense to get the PP modules from all different powers. So if one switches Power, one should lose the specific module for the power they left.





The very reason, why PP is so unattractive for many, might be their facelessness. Adding some consequences would be very welcome, agreed.
 
It’s a bit like politics in general, most countries seem to spend a lot of time trying to convince people to vote, those same people look at the different parties and think can’t be bothered, as there’s nothing their manifesto give me that I believe or want. Looks like Art immatating life to me.

May be FD have got this aspect of PP spot on. Well done FD 😀👍
 
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Could it also be that some of us don’t find any of the powers appealing in any way.




Well, yes?

Sure they play all alike the other. Mister Pirate Overlord or Princess Candy only those little toys you get..... not enough identity.
No real difference in gameplay none in relation to each other, none in ships. Its like you have no choice, cos you have all, if ever you whish.
 
In answer to the question, apparently suppressing free speech on this forum. Every time I've been critical of him for the overwhelming development emphasis on pew-pew and the devs apparent hatred of explorers, I've had my posts deleted and been privately warned off. Surprised this thread hasn't been closed down yet frankly.
 
In answer to the question, apparently suppressing free speech on this forum. Every time I've been critical of him for the overwhelming development emphasis on pew-pew and the devs apparent hatred of explorers, I've had my posts deleted and been privately warned off. Surprised this thread hasn't been closed down yet frankly.

Could it be that due to the amount of open criticism being directed at this and other current gripes, that the ban/post deletion method would make the forum look like Swiss cheese.
 

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In answer to the question, apparently suppressing free speech on this forum. Every time I've been critical of him for the overwhelming development emphasis on pew-pew and the devs apparent hatred of explorers, I've had my posts deleted and been privately warned off. Surprised this thread hasn't been closed down yet frankly.

For bonus points, remind everyone he was involved with Star Wars: Kinetic and you can get a rare frontier forums achievement; the 'Harassment of Employees' ban. :D
 

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In answer to the question, apparently suppressing free speech on this forum. Every time I've been critical of him for the overwhelming development emphasis on pew-pew and the devs apparent hatred of explorers, I've had my posts deleted and been privately warned off. Surprised this thread hasn't been closed down yet frankly.

Just a FYI. Directly attacking a person isn't really a very nice thing to do is it?

As per the forum rules discuss the post not the poster and if you're going to criticise any aspect of the game then at least try to be constructive, attacking anyone including Frontier Employees will not be tolerated.

As for "suppression" of free speech etc etc etc well this is a privately run forum whose rules you agreed to when joining up, I'm pretty sure the rules didn't state "feel free to denigrate, abuse and insult others if you disagree with them."

How about the right for someone to do their job without being verbally attacked?

Sandy is a nice guy who is enthusiastic about the game and the community and quite frankly works bloody hard and is very good at his job and does not deserve in any way people coming on here and making derisory comments about him.

If however you disagree with a Moderation action against you you have the right to appeal to a CM who will happily look into it for you.
 
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Having just watched the Lavecon teaser video for upcoming content I would like to go on record as saying I liked what I saw.
 
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