Discussion What is the most efficient way to crowdsource the 3D system coordinates

Harbinger

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Harbinger
It's really hard to determine by sight alone whether an outpost could accommodate the very largest of ships although I guess you could count the number of docking clamps (1 for small, 2 for medium, 3 for large). Every outpost I've visited so far has at least been able to accommodate the Type 6 I'm flying in currently though.
 
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Snuble

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Harbinger said:
I'll do that.



It's distance was correct in the galaxy map although I only checked it's distance from 1 other system (can't recall which). Perhaps you need a further confirmation of it's distance to confirm that the coordinates are still correct but it's definitely outside the beta 3 sausage now.



It's difficult to know the answer to this unless you test every ship type on each platform. I think it's sufficient to do as I'm doing and record the space station type be it an Orbis, Coriolis, Ocellus or [Variation] Outpost. I believe platforms don't tend to support larger vessels so as long as the user knows it's a platform they can probably safely assume they can't land their type 9 or anaconda there.



You're right, I'll switch it to null if it's currently "unknown" although I do intend to fill in the blanks for the ones currently listed as "unknown" at some point today.
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Its enough to test with a large ship. If you get denied using that Lakon 6, thats enough to know its an very important thing to remember (and for thousands of systems, that means storing it).

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Harbinger said:
It's really hard to determine by sight alone whether an outpost could accommodate the very largest of ships although I guess you could count the number of docking clamps (1 for small, 2 for medium, 3 for large). Every outpost I've visited so far has at least been able to accommodate the Type 6 I'm flying in currently though.
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I have been denied in a system, do not remember where since I did not write down... Wonder if it was FN Virginis.
 

Harbinger

Volunteer Moderator
Harbinger
Snuble said:
I have been denied in a system, do not remember where since I did not write down... Wonder if it was FN Virginis.
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Denial doesn't necessarily mean that they don't have a pad that could accommodate you. I believe some bases require a good reputation with the faction in order to be granted landing permission. I've seen this on a pirate outpost I visited.
 
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Athan

Athan
Harbinger said:
Denial doesn't necessarily mean that they don't have a pad that could accommodate you. I believe some bases require a good reputation with the faction in order to be granted landing permission. I've seen this on a pirate outpost I visited.
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Also at Outposts it's not unheard of for all pads to be full. I had to wait for an NPC and PC to clear the area (HJ or go to SC) before it would give me permission.

My problem with spotting if an Outpost has Medium pads is if the lighting is dark and the pad not active it's very hard to spot, given I'm in a Small pad capable ship.
 

Snuble

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Harbinger said:
Denial doesn't necessarily mean that they don't have a pad that could accommodate you. I believe some bases require a good reputation with the faction in order to be granted landing permission. I've seen this on a pirate outpost I visited.
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Parked my Lakon 6 in the nearest system and went back with a Sidewinder without problems, so I doubt reputation have anything to do with it - if even implemented yet.
 

Rhulan

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Hey all,

I've been following this thread for a while now and have been kicking around the idea of a web app to show solar system data. I started off using the CSV data from the Google Docs spreadsheet in the OP.

I spoke to Wolverine and he pointed me at RedWizzard's JSON data set. I've combined the two sets using RW's JSON set as the master set, and the data in the spreadsheet to enhance it with faction, government etc.

I can't post a link in this thread at the moment as I'm a forum noob, so hopefully I can get Wolverine to post it for me.

If you want to enter the URL manually, it's - elitesystems<dot>azurewebsites<dot>net.

Feel free to have a look and see what you think, it's mostly functional and allows you to update a system, add stations, neighbours etc. Only thing is you can't add/delete systems at the moment. Also, any changes you make are likely to be wiped at any time when I update it with an up to date JSON set so I need to come up with a way to preserve the data.

I don't want to tread on anyone's toes with this so please let me know if this is the case, but if this could be useful to the community I'm happy to keep hosting it for the time being.
 

Harbinger

Volunteer Moderator
Harbinger
Snuble said:
Parked my Lakon 6 in the nearest system and went back with a Sidewinder without problems, so I doubt reputation have anything to do with it - if even implemented yet.
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Try visiting Piccard Station (Chapoya) and report back.

EDIT: I've just found another "Unsanctioned Outpost" in Magec (Garriott Outpost) whilst revisiting stations to get more info. It appears they only have small docking bays so it's possible Piccard Station didn't have a medium docking bay. I can't recall for sure.
 
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Smacker

Smacker
Rhulan said:
Hey all,

I've been following this thread for a while now and have been kicking around the idea of a web app to show solar system data. I started off using the CSV data from the Google Docs spreadsheet in the OP.

I spoke to Wolverine and he pointed me at RedWizzard's JSON data set. I've combined the two sets using RW's JSON set as the master set, and the data in the spreadsheet to enhance it with faction, government etc.

I can't post a link in this thread at the moment as I'm a forum noob, so hopefully I can get Wolverine to post it for me.

If you want to enter the URL manually, it's - elitesystems<dot>azurewebsites<dot>net.

Feel free to have a look and see what you think, it's mostly functional and allows you to update a system, add stations, neighbours etc. Only thing is you can't add/delete systems at the moment. Also, any changes you make are likely to be wiped at any time when I update it with an up to date JSON set so I need to come up with a way to preserve the data.

I don't want to tread on anyone's toes with this so please let me know if this is the case, but if this could be useful to the community I'm happy to keep hosting it for the time being.
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Here is the LINK

Looks promising!
 

Smacker

Smacker
One thing I have noticed is that many systems have multiple economies, not seen more than 2 yet but often see High Tech + Refining etc. Although one seems to be dominant for GM display. Probably need to cater for this.
 

Snuble

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Smacker said:
One thing I have noticed is that many systems have multiple economies, not seen more than 2 yet but often see High Tech + Refining etc. Although one seems to be dominant for GM display. Probably need to cater for this.
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You could attach an economy to station, but that does not really matter much. It is the commodity market that will ultimately decide what economy there really is, and stuff like ships and modules is also more important information then what might or might not be found in stations with more then one economy in description. Personally I think storing that information is a step too far. Ships- yes, prices - yes, modules - yes, missions - no, and then the market description (on top of market page, next to the station name) . no.

Mostly the system economy give you what you expect, but then you have surprises like Arcturus that are branded Agriculture but have a market that is nowhere near what you would expect. This was a change from Beta2, so it is possible that the system economy for Arcturus is wrong and should be the industry type that you find in the market.
 

JesusFreke

J
Snuble said:
LP 734-32 (19,0:21,152:6,275), not in list (if I did not make another search typo, could be, but twice...), Refinery, 170261 souls, medium security. Star and metal astroids. No place to dock. Might be why it was not in list despite having a population.
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I believe he's previously noted that it's systems that have economies (i.e. a station with a commodity market), not populated systems.
 

Harbinger

Volunteer Moderator
Harbinger
I've changed my format to:
Code: 
    {
        "name": "Magec",
        "contributor": "FD",
        "x": -32.875,
        "y": 36.15625,
        "z": 15.5,
        "region": "Beta1",
        "contributed": "2014-10-21T17:16:31.000Z",
        "allegiance": "Federation",
        "economy": "Agriculture",
        "government": "Democracy",
        "population": "500,000",
        "security": "Medium",
        "stations": [
            {
                "station": "Xiaoguan Hub",
                "distance": 131,
                "type": "Orbis Starport",
                "faction": "Magec Left Party",
                "commodities_market": true,
                "black_market": true,
                "shipyard": true,
                "outfitting": true,
                "largest_pad": "large"
            },
            {
                "station": "Garriott Outpost",
                "distance": 335,
                "type": "Unsanctioned Outpost",
                "faction": "Magec Resistance",
                "commodities_market": false,
                "black_market": true,
                "shipyard": false,
                "outfitting": true,
                "largest_pad": "small"
            },
            {
                "station": "Trumpler Dock",
                "distance": 4541,
                "type": "Orbis Starport",
                "faction": "Allied Magec Front",
                "commodities_market": false,
                "black_market": false,
                "shipyard": true,
                "outfitting": true,
                "largest_pad": "large"
            }
        ]
    }

I now provide information about the system as a whole along with factional information on the space station and what the largest vessel size the base can handle.

With regards to ships, equipment, modules in stock there's such a thing as providing too much information especially as some of it may well be random.
 
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JesusFreke

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Regarding outposts and pad sizes, the only type of outpost I remember encountering where I couldn't dock in my asp (medium) was the unsanctioned outpost. I think knowing the specific outpost type should be good enough to know what types of pads it has, at least for now.
 

Snuble

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JesusFreke said:
I believe he's previously noted that it's systems that have economies (i.e. a station with a commodity market), not populated systems.
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I might remember wrong, but didnt he also say that such systems should be regarded as bugged (population/economy, but no station)? Think it was one of the PMs to Wolverine?
 

Biteketkergetek

Biteketkergetek
Harbinger said:
I've changed my format to:
Code: 
    {
        "name": "Magec",
        "contributor": "FD",
        "x": -32.875,
        "y": 36.15625,
        "z": 15.5,
        "region": "Beta1",
        "contributed": "2014-10-21T17:16:31.000Z",
        "allegiance": "Federation",
        "economy": "Agriculture",
        "government": "Democracy",
        "population": "500,000",
        "security": "Medium",
        "stations": [
            {
                "station": "Xiaoguan Hub",
                "distance": 131,
                "type": "Orbis Starport",
                "faction": "Magec Left Party",
                "commodities_market": true,
                "black_market": true,
                "shipyard": true,
                "outfitting": true,
                "largest_pad": "large"
            },
            {
                "station": "Garriott Outpost",
                "distance": 335,
                "type": "Unsanctioned Outpost",
                "faction": "Magec Resistance",
                "commodities_market": false,
                "black_market": true,
                "shipyard": false,
                "outfitting": true,
                "largest_pad": "small"
            },
            {
                "station": "Trumpler Dock",
                "distance": 4541,
                "type": "Orbis Starport",
                "faction": "Allied Magec Front",
                "commodities_market": false,
                "black_market": false,
                "shipyard": true,
                "outfitting": true,
                "largest_pad": "large"
            }
        ]
    }

I now provide information about the system as a whole along with factional information on the space station and what the largest vessel size the base can handle.

With regards to ships, equipment, modules in stock there's such a thing as providing too much information especially as some of it may well be random.
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I almost can't keep up updating my importer, and you have all the data, too. :O I believe "population" in system should be a numeric value.
 

wolverine2710

Tutorial & Guide Writer
wolverine2710
Rhulan said:
Hey all,

I've been following this thread for a while now and have been kicking around the idea of a web app to show solar system data. I started off using the CSV data from the Google Docs spreadsheet in the OP.

I spoke to Wolverine and he pointed me at RedWizzard's JSON data set. I've combined the two sets using RW's JSON set as the master set, and the data in the spreadsheet to enhance it with faction, government etc.

I can't post a link in this thread at the moment as I'm a forum noob, so hopefully I can get Wolverine to post it for me.

If you want to enter the URL manually, it's - elitesystems<dot>azurewebsites<dot>net.

Feel free to have a look and see what you think, it's mostly functional and allows you to update a system, add stations, neighbours etc. Only thing is you can't add/delete systems at the moment. Also, any changes you make are likely to be wiped at any time when I update it with an up to date JSON set so I need to come up with a way to preserve the data.

I don't want to tread on anyone's toes with this so please let me know if this is the case, but if this could be useful to the community I'm happy to keep hosting it for the time being.
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Away all day. In Germany this week. Just back. Saw that the link is already posted.
I´ve added you to list 2 aka "List of third party tools using star systems (coordinates)" in the OP. That way your really nice tool doesn´t get lost in here.
 

Rhulan

R
Smacker said:
Here is the LINK

Looks promising!
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Cheers for that Smacker :)

So where is all this data stored? Like the JSON format that Harbinger shows above, is that accessible anywhere? My app has its own database backing it, is there any point me doing this or could I hook the UI up to that source instead?
 
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