When you don't log in because you remember there is more grinding to do...

[Deleted member 38366]

While I'm certainly no fan of the current state of things, I'd have to admit : modding 1 Ship is clearly doable.

Plus, if you play it smart, you'll go for a "90% Solution", which saves you the 3-4 rolls that'd only add a mere 10% anyway but carry upto 50% of the entire overhead.
The new RNGineering/LevelUp System is quite optimized to get very solid Results for a single Ship, where the Mats requirements still remain contained.

Even the otherwise Black Hole-type Materials Traders and their rip-off ratios don't hurt so bad if you're only looking for a limited amount of Mats/Data.

So I'd say take a few hours and don't aim for the top for all Modules.
(I'd make an exception for the FSD only, since there's a Vulture in play planning to go on an Expedition, so I'd say that's worth completing to 100% w/ Mass Manager to get those +61.2% on the JumpRange)

 

[Gabbatek]

Totally agree with you. When i finished engineering my corvette, anaconda and cutter they redone the engineering system.

Now i have to re-engineer all the legacy modules like ???? You can't even convert them in remote workshop!!! Instead you have to fly across the damn bubble. A 15ly corvette to palin? pfffft

And the fact half the game is broken, the power plant bug makes pirating completely worthless at the moment.

 

[CMDR Zadian Lichtfrost]

That is just like... 1.25 work days doing things that one does not want to, which are mind-numbingly boring, tedious, and generally not fun. Why would anyone want to do such a thing to get something in a videogame that is supposed to be fun? This certainly requires very special mindset...

You don't have to spend all that time at once. If you it will be a "grind", highly annoying, frustrating and boring.

That's why I mentioned to split it up and spread it over a longer period of time spend doing enjoyable things. The OP wants a modded FSD for Distant Worlds 2 - that's at the end of the year.
Enough time to split up the required time into small bits and hide it in a lot of time spend doing something the OP considers fun.

Engineers are a min/max trap in my opinion. Anybody approaching them with the intention to get it done as fast as possible without doing anything else will get extremely frustrated (in my opinion, there are probably players out there who enjoy it).

In the end I just wanted to offer the OP some advice how to minimize the negative effects of "grind" so he can get the FSD increase for doing what he wants to do in the ship he wants to fly.

 

[GammaZ]

You don't have to spend all that time at once. If you it will be a "grind", highly annoying, frustrating and boring.

That's why I mentioned to split it up and spread it over a longer period of time spend doing enjoyable things. The OP wants a modded FSD for Distant Worlds 2 - that's at the end of the year.
Enough time to split up the required time into small bits and hide it in a lot of time spend doing something the OP considers fun.

Engineers are a min/max trap in my opinion. Anybody approaching them with the intention to get it done as fast as possible without doing anything else will get extremely frustrated (in my opinion, there are probably players out there who enjoy it).

In the end I just wanted to offer the OP some advice how to minimize the negative effects of "grind" so he can get the FSD increase for doing what he wants to do in the ship he wants to fly.

So in another words you suggest to spend some time working, some time resting, some time working... etc. Inside the game. Sounds funny to me. Why this boring stuff one needs to "spread over a longer period of time", just to mask how bad it actually is from himself, exists at all?

 

[Rubbernuke]

Upgrade one FSD? About an evenings work of mission running, collecting etc. Trading rates are painful, but you have material traders. If you grab stuff as you play, you will never really run short of anything in the new system.

Plus, if people find a game dull, why do they still play it? Are their hands nailed to the keyboard?

 

[Kilostream]

I probably should have never set my goals on taking my Vulture, The Ronin on Distant Worlds 2. Now I must get all the stuff to upgrade its FSD sufficiently for my goals, which involve doing the same thing over and over and over and over again. Now I hear of the Guardian module FSDs through the grapevine...

Am I kidding myself? This isn't the game I signed up for, but if I want to pretend to hang with the big boys, this is what I must deal with. There isn't a better way other than just giving up the ghost and taking my Cobra or the like. If you want to hang, you have to put in the work, but that isn't really why I play this game.

It's my choice, and I know it, but knowing the option is there, I'm driven to want to achieve it. The cost, however, seems to be more than I'm willing to stomach, so I'm at a bit of a loss. Maybe I just don't have what it takes.

I haven't been able to bring myself to login in more than a month. This isn't the game I wanted to play.

What a strange predicament I find myself in.

The first observation I make is that the expedition is a while away, log in and play the game you want to play six days out of seven, and spend one scanning for DWE or whatever, if it's only one FSD you want to modify, you'll build up enough over a few sessions.

Secondly, your choice of ship to take on DW2 is sub-optimal to start with - perhaps you have a special reason for wanting to take that particular ship, but if so, then that is your choice. If you want to take the Vulture, then suck it up, princess, and gather your materials!
If, on the other hand, you genuinely can't face wake scanning (and I do feel your pain, honestly!, but with a beer in hand, and some buddies on comms to shoot the breeze, I can find it within myself to do it!) then you could get the engineered jump-range of your vulture in an exploration-fitted, but bone-stock DBX.

The option is there if your reason for not wanting to engineer over-rides your reason for wanting to take the Vulture.
Good luck, Commander.

:Edits: PS, I don't know if you're into combat, the fact you're flying a vulture suggests that perhaps you are, but your humble vulture is one of the ships that responds the best to engineering - I made my first billion at 17 Draconis in a vulture with engineering at only three engineers (Elvira for shield generator, Dweller for pdu and lasers, Felicity for thrusters, power plant and shield boosters) - just that basic engineering transformed it - power issues sorted, damage resilience increased, and oh my god! the lateral thrusters! You can jink up/down/left/right nearly as fast as you can fly forward! The grind you only have to do once, the modules you can keep forever - I highly recommend doing at least those little bits, the other engineers are about chasing that last few percent - you'll have the lion's share of the benefit from those three.

 

[CMDR Redcrest]

I've been upgrading a Chieftain since it was released. Haven't played in a few weeks as I can't face the material gathering randomness.
Decided to download a LOT of mods for Fallout 4 and gona do a 'bad guy' play through.
I'll pick it up again when the new update lands to see if material gathering has been improved.
If not I'm considering buying Kingdom Come Deliverance.

 

[CMDR Zadian Lichtfrost]

… Why this boring stuff one needs to "spread over a longer period of time", just to mask how bad it actually is from himself, exists at all?

That's something you need to ask FDev.

I'm not defending the current system, just offering ways to make it more bearable for those who dislike the current system.

 

[rp198419]

I've been upgrading a Chieftain since it was released. Haven't played in a few weeks as I can't face the material gathering randomness.
Decided to download a LOT of mods for Fallout 4 and gona do a 'bad guy' play through.
I'll pick it up again when the new update lands to see if material gathering has been improved.
If not I'm considering buying Kingdom Come Deliverance.

When it comes to grind, the ED design team are unsurpassed.

 

[CMDR Zadian Lichtfrost]

When it comes to grind, the ED design team are unsurpassed.

No, I played MMOs with worse grind.

 

[Siranui]

if I want to pretend to hang with the big boys, this is what I must deal with.

Big boys just play the game, and don't feel the need to get all the latest gadgets jest because they are there and other people have them. They are not essential for funtimes.

If you'd have been going on the expedition last year - before the toys came out - you'd had participated in the expedition and had fun, without having engineer/guardian tech. What's changed?

Why is 10LY extra jump range essential to participation anyway? If it because you hate jumping and want to reduce it by 30%, then maybe the expedition isn't really the thing for you anyway?

Not that the Engineer unlock and G5 FSD are much of a chore. an evening or two of play perhaps, when mixed with other activities?

 

[verminstar]

I probably should have never set my goals on taking my Vulture, The Ronin on Distant Worlds 2. Now I must get all the stuff to upgrade its FSD sufficiently for my goals, which involve doing the same thing over and over and over and over again. Now I hear of the Guardian module FSDs through the grapevine...

Am I kidding myself? This isn't the game I signed up for, but if I want to pretend to hang with the big boys, this is what I must deal with. There isn't a better way other than just giving up the ghost and taking my Cobra or the like. If you want to hang, you have to put in the work, but that isn't really why I play this game.

It's my choice, and I know it, but knowing the option is there, I'm driven to want to achieve it. The cost, however, seems to be more than I'm willing to stomach, so I'm at a bit of a loss. Maybe I just don't have what it takes.

I haven't been able to bring myself to login in more than a month. This isn't the game I wanted to play.

What a strange predicament I find myself in.

I was beginning to struggle with the credits and engineer grind about a month ago...I still havent unlocked all of the engineers yet because I dont know how to...no information in game about how to so I drifted more towards the dwindling credits situation.

Past week alone, Ive eaten two cutter rebuys at 30m a pop which completely wiped out the efforts of the past 3 weeks. Took me about 4 days just to motivate meself to log in at all because Im now worse off than before I started to struggle, so instead of getting easier, its gotten a lot worse.

Now its the weekend and the original plan was to unlock 3 more engineers as I had the whole weekend to meself to sit and play...a rare gem indeed. Currently Im stuck between trying to gain some measure of motivation from the forum...dont laugh...and washing the car. If someone had asked me this question a couple weeks ago, the answer would have been playing this game morning noon and night.

Today, I cant even be bothered logging in because I know exactly whats waiting fer me...more grind. And then more grind...and just when ye think yer getting somewhere, more grind. Im gonna go wash the car ^

 

[Gabbatek]

I've been upgrading a Chieftain since it was released. Haven't played in a few weeks as I can't face the material gathering randomness.
Decided to download a LOT of mods for Fallout 4 and gona do a 'bad guy' play through.
I'll pick it up again when the new update lands to see if material gathering has been improved.
If not I'm considering buying Kingdom Come Deliverance.

nice! Think i'll do the same, do a fallout 4 replay until they fix the damn power plant bug

 

[Xious]

The Vulture is simply not a long distance ship even with a G5 FSD... not sure what you were thinking here.

I use my DBX Bubble Taxi and just have my Vulture transferred when I travel cuz I ain't got time fo' dat.

Not only that... the mats for upgrading to G5 didn't seem that hard to find, from what I remember.

Many of the mats were obtained just by doing missions without even trying and now you can just cross trade.

 

[Trollymctrollerson]

Just get a DBX and name it Ronin II and slap a grade 3 FSD upgrade in there with cheap materials and call it a day.

 

[Bob McBobblehead]

From my perspective, going on an exploration expedition in a Vulture seems more of a grind than unlocking the Guardian tech.

 

[RymdLazer]

To me it sounds like burn out.
Happened to me with S.T.A.L.K.E.R and WoW (also my irl profession as a illustrator). It is a terrible place to be and I really feel for you

 

[dekot]

The problem with this game isn't the grind. The problem is that the lack of varied and engaging gameplay makes the grind feel extremely pointless and punitive. I started over a few times and it takes me like 50 hours max to unlock and get level 5 engineer upgrades for most modules on a pvp ship. But it feels like 200 hours because it's so mind numbingly dull.

 

[Ano]

yea, cant seem to log in more than 5 min here. ah well. no paintjobs for ed. keep the dirty visor too, cheers.

 

[MUSKETEER]

I feel similar. I know for me playing the main game means grinding mats and engineers again. I don't feel like doing either of those. I'll probably upgrade my Vulture eventually, no idea when because after a few minutes in the main game I'm like ' hell with that!' and back to CQC or better PUBG.