Where is the exploration?

[Rat Catcher]

I know... I believe I've made my point I should call it done. It's not like I need to convince people to like what I do. This thread has become more a way to talk it out.

I don't have any issue with what you are saying, and it is always good to read other opinions on this game, even when they are opposite to one's own perceptions. We all play this game for our own entertainment and make the best from what we are given. I've played for a little under a year (about 1300 hours) and still find things that are 'new' to me - often hidden among the proc-gen sameness - so keep coming back to 'do some more'.

I've dipped into CQC this week for the first time, I'm rubbish - but laugh lots! - but it makes a totally silly addition to my ED play that actually adds to the game for me, then go back to my T10 that is umpteen KLy from the bubble and play some more, enjoying the change of pace in both situations.

Sorry today's ED doesn't scratch your itch, maybe the updates to come will

 

[[ kraken ]]

I don't have any issue with what you are saying, and it is always good to read other opinions on this game, even when they are opposite to one's own perceptions. We all play this game for our own entertainment and make the best from what we are given. I've played for a little under a year (about 1300 hours) and still find things that are 'new' to me - often hidden among the proc-gen sameness - so keep coming back to 'do some more'.

I've dipped into CQC this week for the first time, I'm rubbish - but laugh lots! - but it makes a totally silly addition to my ED play that actually adds to the game for me, then go back to my T10 that is umpteen KLy from the bubble and play some more, enjoying the change of pace in both situations.

Sorry today's ED doesn't scratch your itch, maybe the updates to come will

CQC... mh...

 

[Rat Catcher]

CQC... mh...

That's the general concensus... It's 'arcade' fun and not really anything similar to the main game, but for those who really have no wish to go down the PvP combat grind it is about as much fun you can have with no penalties.

No surprise that most don't like it, it isn't really ED

 

[[ kraken ]]

That's the general concensus... It's 'arcade' fun and not really anything similar to the main game, but for those who really have no wish to go down the PvP combat grind it is about as much fun you can have with no penalties.

No surprise that most don't like it, it isn't really ED

In fact, I'm thinking I would like it lots.
Ok, If I stop giving a piff about exploration, you'll know what happened.

 

[Rat Catcher]

Sorry - my misinterpretation!

Be aware, it really is silly - ships last seconds when shot at...

 

[CMDR Karrde Sun]

There is no difference.. some people are ahead of their time is all

Of course its boring. Status quo takes a bit longer to work it out

Recently i left the bubble again after having done a brain reset and not cared about it.. its interesting how it works...

The new balance of the rewards and how you achieve them makes it so shallow now.. its a weird pull of:

• You have nothing now until you fss
• Once you fss you have all the rewards you seriously care about and its so easy to not want to do anything else
• OCD completion is so easily in reach that it makes you want to do it, but the overall experience doesn't stand up somehow so instead of being an impossibility and moving on, its a butter spread to thin drag to get them all because you can and its quick but its meaningless...

You have to be sitting there thinking about the credits, the tags, the metrics or it doesn't make any sense given what you do, then whats left to do once the fss is done.

 

[[ kraken ]]

Oh, so it will be like a sistem wide HGE?
As is it now, I can make an educated guess that a Boom HGE might contain Proto Radiolic Alloys, but most of the time it doesn't.



Not really, a certain degree of randomness is good. And randomness exists out there
But too much of it will set you on the path that leads to Space Madness. And while in or around the Bubble there are many ways to cure the Space Madness, out there in the black all you have are the voices that tell you to push the Red Button.

wow

I need to go out there. Now.

 

[Burke]

All exploration needed was more things to find. With the FSS they have broken the game in a way that cant be fixed. If it was the case that they could not make everybody happy then they should have just left the thing alone because its what people paid for, but no they had to blunder in like a bull in a china shop and force the FSS on everybody. It seems most unlikely it will be rolled back now and if it was there would just be more rage and drama, so really thats it now. All its really achieved is to steal enjoyment from long time players.

 

[Northpin]

In your FSS there's a filtered spectrograph already and I have learnt in just one day which wavelenghts correspond to emissions, to asteroids, to rocky worlds, ice worlds, gas giants, etc., in just one day! I'm sure you guys know much more than I do. We can all tell them by sound right now. So... is it really necessary that the FSS locks us to the correct solution? Just so that we can mark that planet as discovered and move on?

Well, FSS is not exploration, it is merely a tool
You don't really need to use it, you can scan the sky with Eyes MkI, make educated guesses about the tiny lights out there and point your ship in their direction.

Nah, joking

...I think

I could try that.

 

[Rat Catcher]

You have to be sitting there thinking about the credits, the tags, the metrics or it doesn't make any sense given what you do, then whats left to do once the fss is done.

Your take on the game and my own are opposites - but I play just to enjoy playing so don't think of the above... Whatever the next jump brings is fun for me. But I am a peasant and have no pre-defined plan to my play so am easily pleased. The change from ADS to FSS affected me not at all, sadly, for you it was the exact opposite.

 

[Crank Larson]

Just so that we can mark that planet as discovered and move on?

As per my earlier comment, tagging a planet with your name is not the same as exploring it. Tagging the planet just confirms you were in the system (and were the first person there). The surface scan also isn't really exploring, though it does give you far more information about the planet. Exploring is literally going somewhere and seeing what is there. It sounds to me that you aren't actually exploring at all, but are thinking that the tools are doing this for you... Do you like exploring, or playing with scanners?

Edit: I should add, I know you aren't entirely happy with the scanners in E: D. But if they were made how you like, I still don't think that you would be exploring.

 

[Old Duck]

All exploration needed was more things to find. With the FSS they have broken the game in a way that cant be fixed. If it was the case that they could not make everybody happy then they should have just left the thing alone because its what people paid for, but no they had to blunder in like a bull in a china shop and force the FSS on everybody. It seems most unlikely it will be rolled back now and if it was there would just be more rage and drama, so really thats it now. All its really achieved is to steal enjoyment from long time players.

I disagree, but in a way that you might agree with. Frontier could have provided an extra size-1 slot and put the FSS in that slot when 3.3 dropped, similar to what they are doing now with docking computers. They could have made it massless, so it would be no penalty to explorers who chose to disable it and stick with the ADS. The retconning of the ADS is an interesting move on Frontier, and it obviously has made a few people mad. I actually wish they'd recton other modules instead, like Satan Shield Cell Banks.

There are many of us who really like what the FSS brings and don't miss the ADS, so you'll not win arguments by declaring that the FSS broke the game. However, at least some of us support your desire for choice, and in a game that gives combat players all sorts of "magic easy modes" (Prismatic shields, SBCs, HRP stacking, etc.) it is silly that the ADS was taken away, IMO.

 

[Burke]

There are many of us who really like what the FSS brings and don't miss the ADS, so you'll not win arguments by declaring that the FSS broke the game.

How many of those who really like it never leave the bubble or take any long and epic journeys? Alot of the people who praise in on here that i have seen dont even really understand how its changed gameplay outside the bubble/unexplored systems. Its broken the game (for me personally) cause all those discoverys being made that are not deserved. Previously if you wanted those tags you went and got them, put in the time and effort. Now its just a quick zoom "it only takes seconds" as i often read on here. Its the same deal as the auto undocking thing. Previously if you wanted to fly a big ship, particulalry min/maxed with no shield loadouts then it took a certain level of skill. You had to work for the right to do that stuff, now its done for you. Its another nail in EDs coffin of mediocrity. Very sad really.

 

[Retropolitan]

You have to be sitting there thinking about the credits, the tags, the metrics or it doesn't make any sense given what you do, then whats left to do once the fss is done.

...or you find the kind of thing you're actually looking for, and then you go to investigate it in more detail. But wait! That doesn't sound negative enough. Maybe I should try again.

 

[Old Duck]

How many of those who really like it never leave the bubble or take any long and epic journeys?

You're basically saying, "Only people who don't explore like the FSS." This is a blatantly false statement. I earned my Elite rank before the FSS, and this by only scanning undiscovered worlds (no RtR for me). I've been to the rim, and I've been to the core, back before crazy "I can get to Colonia in 4 hours" jump ranges (took me weeks). And guess what - I love the FSS. Now if you want to tease me for being a "not real explorer", I'm cool with that (even though I'm officially a "True Explorer [TREX]"), but stop with this elephant poo argument of yours, because it makes you look stupid and does nothing to further your case (especially when people like myself have come out on your side in the past).

 

[Burke]

In fairness to myself i did add "that i have seen" i definately didnt want any true explorer arguments.

 

[Riverside]

In fairness to myself i did add "that i have seen" i definately didnt want any true explorer arguments.

Indeed.

To respond to the OP's question, I think it just depends on how the individual defines 'exploration'.

 

[Stigbob]

Ok, good for you. I like to explore and I can't explore at the moment because current design choices make it a grind. Do you like to explore?

I enjoy exploring but not exclusively.

Video games are entirely optional entertainment, if you don't like the things you choose to do and don't switch tack on finding that out you've made a really fundamental mistake in your approach and will not enjoy yourself.

 

[Crank Larson]

How many of those who really like it never leave the bubble or take any long and epic journeys?

Those that stay in the bubble have absolutely no need to use it. I never use it in the bubble. My alt account is somewhere near the galactic core, currently, and I headed out that way after the FSS was added. I've enjoyed the journey very much more than previous journeys (though I obviously enjoyed my previous trips, otherwise I wouldn't have taken them).

 

[[ kraken ]]

I enjoy exploring but not exclusively.

Video games are entirely optional entertainment, if you don't like the things you choose to do and don't switch tack on finding that out you've made a really fundamental mistake in your approach and will not enjoy yourself.

Yes, I can tell you're enjoying your game greatly, too.