Why breeding mechanics are still needed

[South Tyrant]

It would be too much work. No one knows how Dinosaurs mated in real life. Then you have to animate that or simplify it. Then you have to make modesl and rigs for all the baby and sub adult dinosaurs cause they didn't just look like small versions of the adults. You can look at modern day animals to see that. That requires new models and that means new rigs and animations. Again it means a lot of work. Keep in mind that development on this game probably started in late 2018 maybe early 2019. They have had a few years to work on it but they have been making improvements from the first game.

There are people out there that want to see dinosaurs mating, they want to see nests fill with eggs and hatchlings. That will never happen. It's a game and not educational media. You will never see that. The most you might get is a nest and some young dinosaurs running around when you look away and comeback. Like they instantly spawn in. That's how it went in the novel. One day they had x number of dinosaurs and some time later they had more.

But I think they plan to stick to the idea that all the dinosaurs are females and they don't breed.

Mating animations are not needed. Did you read the original proposal of this thread at the beginning of this thread? And this idea of only female dinosaurs was a failed attempt to avoid reproduction. And that only appears in JP1. In later films, we see younger and male dinosaurs countless times. So "all dinosaurs are female like in the movies" is just an excuse to not introduce breeding, and a bad excuse

It is obvious that breeding is not easy to introduce, but the fact that this is not included in the release, does not mean that it can not be implemented later, even if it takes more than a year, the important thing is that it comes, even more considering that this feature is requested for a long time, since the beginning of JWE1

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[Deleted member 275623]

so breeding comes in dominion free dlc. got it.

 

[South Tyrant]

so breeding comes in dominion free dlc. got it.

Let's hope you're right haha

 

[Deleted member 275623]

if its in the movie and not ingame while requested since day one. theres only 1 reason to let it out. Jwe 3 sales pushing with that mechanic.

 

[South Tyrant]

if its in the movie and not ingame while requested since day one. theres only 1 reason to let it out. Jwe 3 sales pushing with that mechanic.

Good reasoning

 

[Deleted member 275623]

only logical thinking you dont need more, not in a business.

 

[Thylaco]

if its in the movie and not ingame while requested since day one. theres only 1 reason to let it out. Jwe 3 sales pushing with that mechanic.

The nature of continued support games makes sequels a fair bit harder to sell (every feature you add takes away from the selling power of a sequel).

JWE3 having breeding as its core selling point seems like it'd fall flat, not really being that dramatic of a change on the surface (if JWE2 had breeding, but no Aquatic and Aerial species for the casual audience, I honestly think it might have struggled a bit on the profit side and generally also it tends to be diminishing returns on sequels).

We'll see what happens, they'd have to hold back a fair bit if even more sequels is the goal for the next few years (I don't think a JWE3 or equivalent likely, at least for a decade or so).

 

[Deleted member 275623]

not when the movies are made for kids. the rule is you can even sell a bag of to kids if you hype it enough. sad but true story

 

[JackTheManager21]

I think it can be done, even if only in some dinosaurs (precisely for the reason that it would be difficult to make the little ones of all the species that they will have to add). This may apparently not make sense, but it does, and it is even a reference to the Jurassic Park book: in it not all dinosaurs had tree frog DNA and only those who possessed it could reproduce. Adding this possibility in the species that the young have in the movies (therefore the easier ones to make: tyrannosaurus, stegosaurus, pterosaur, triceratops ...) in my opinion it could be something not so complicated to add. Furthermore, there is not even a need to put in the animations of the nests and of the mating: it will be enough to find a way for the puppies to spawn while the player does not look if he wanted it (or even not, you have to work a little on the modalities). I repeat, for me it can be done.

 

[Jura Arena]

I think it can be done, even if only in some dinosaurs (precisely for the reason that it would be difficult to make the little ones of all the species that they will have to add). This may apparently not make sense, but it does, and it is even a reference to the Jurassic Park book: in it not all dinosaurs had tree frog DNA and only those who possessed it could reproduce. Adding this possibility in the species that the young have in the movies (therefore the easier ones to make: tyrannosaurus, stegosaurus, pterosaur, triceratops ...) in my opinion it could be something not so complicated to add. Furthermore, there is not even a need to put in the animations of the nests and of the mating: it will be enough to find a way for the puppies to spawn while the player does not look if he wanted it (or even not, you have to work a little on the modalities). I repeat, for me it can be done.

well but such a minimalist system would be more of a disappointment than something good. I'd rather wait another 3 years

 

[JackTheManager21]

well but such a minimalist system would be more of a disappointment than something good. I'd rather wait another 3 years

I would also wait 3 years, but better a minimalist system than nothing. Then if they really want to commit to insert something better, better this way, indeed, we hope.

 

[Thylaco]

not when the movies are made for kids. the rule is you can even sell a bag of to kids if you hype it enough. sad but true story

True, but kids aren't the ones directly paying for it, at least not usually. If there's already 2 instalments prior to it and it doesn't have a significant level of surface differences, they're going to be inclined to say no (granted parents are weaker willed these days, but more young parents are going to be in for a tough time money wise for several years from now) [I'm an Australian kid from the mid nineties and my parents, who had me in their mid-late twenties, struggled with money quite a bit for the first decade or so, so I can only imagine it being horrible with current conditions for so many more people]

 

[Deleted member 275623]

Dominion will sell like hot cakes i guarantee.

 

[PCMR4Life]

Mating animations are not needed. Did you read the original proposal of this thread at the beginning of this thread? And this idea of only female dinosaurs was a failed attempt to avoid reproduction. And that only appears in JP1. In later films, we see younger and male dinosaurs countless times. So "all dinosaurs are female like in the movies" is just an excuse not to introduce breeding, and a bad excuse

It is obvious that breeding is not easy to introduce, but the fact that this is not included in the release, does not mean that it can not be implemented later, even if it takes more than a year, the important thing is that it comes, even more considering that this feature is requested for a long time, since the beginning of JWE1

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Yeah, I read it. Like I said it's a lot of work. PK is going to have baby dinosaurs and I believe sub adults. This probably extends to the other animals in the game. But they will only release with 25 animals and I believe that includes dinosaurs. This game will have 70+ dinosaurs on launch. Sure a lot of them will be repeats from JWE but they will have improved models, textures, animations and so on. They would also have to make baby dinosaur and sub adult model for each one. These models would also need the improved textures, animations and everything the adult models have. Also sounds, they would need their own sounds. Like I said it's a lot of work. Probably more than I said.

All the dinosaurs being female is just a nice franchise related excuse. The real reason is it would impact the game quality and budget wise. If they have to spend money making baby and sub adult dino models for all the adult dinosaurs that means less money to invest in something else, like marine reptiles or better animations and AI. Making games cost money, a lot of money. So some sacrifices will be made.

Would it be nice to have baby and sub adult dinosaurs? Yes it would. I was a kid when JP released and I had a bunch of JP toys. I even had the young Rex. I still remember the part of the novel with the younger Rex. I would love to have a sub adult Rex. But I know it probably won't happen.

 

[South Tyrant]

Yeah, I read it. Like I said it's a lot of work. PK is going to have baby dinosaurs and I believe sub adults. This probably extends to the other animals in the game. But they will only release with 25 animals and I believe that includes dinosaurs. This game will have 70+ dinosaurs on launch. Sure a lot of them will be repeats from JWE but they will have improved models, textures, animations and so on. They would also have to make baby dinosaur and sub adult model for each one. These models would also need the improved textures, animations and everything the adult models have. Also sounds, they would need their own sounds. Like I said it's a lot of work. Probably more than I said.

All the dinosaurs being female is just a nice franchise related excuse. The real reason is it would impact the game quality and budget wise. If they have to spend money making baby and sub adult dino models for all the adult dinosaurs that means less money to invest in something else, like marine reptiles or better animations and AI. Making games cost money, a lot of money. So some sacrifices will be made.

Would it be nice to have baby and sub adult dinosaurs? Yes it would. I was a kid when JP released and I had a bunch of JP toys. I even had the young Rex. I still remember the part of the novel with the younger Rex. I would love to have a sub adult Rex. But I know it probably won't happen.

Okay, I understand

 

[GojiraGuy1954]

Yeah, I read it. Like I said it's a lot of work. PK is going to have baby dinosaurs and I believe sub adults. This probably extends to the other animals in the game. But they will only release with 25 animals and I believe that includes dinosaurs. This game will have 70+ dinosaurs on launch. Sure a lot of them will be repeats from JWE but they will have improved models, textures, animations and so on. They would also have to make baby dinosaur and sub adult model for each one. These models would also need the improved textures, animations and everything the adult models have. Also sounds, they would need their own sounds. Like I said it's a lot of work. Probably more than I said.

All the dinosaurs being female is just a nice franchise related excuse. The real reason is it would impact the game quality and budget wise. If they have to spend money making baby and sub adult dino models for all the adult dinosaurs that means less money to invest in something else, like marine reptiles or better animations and AI. Making games cost money, a lot of money. So some sacrifices will be made.

Would it be nice to have baby and sub adult dinosaurs? Yes it would. I was a kid when JP released and I had a bunch of JP toys. I even had the young Rex. I still remember the part of the novel with the younger Rex. I would love to have a sub adult Rex. But I know it probably won't happen.

PK will have full, seamless ontogeny & growth, but not at Early Access release.

 

[South Tyrant]

PK will have full, seamless ontogeny & growth, but not at Early Access release.

Know? You're right about that. If PK can introduce breeding, Why Frontier cannot do the same in JWE2?? I won't be a hypocrite in saying that it would be something easy to introduce, quite the contrary, it is a lot of work, but it is not impossible. They can do, even if it's gradually with small separate updates. Just like PZ does with your updates. Example...5 dinosaurs can now reproduce, and so on, until the system has covered all species of the game

It is true that it is something difficult, but not impossible, and they could hire more workers for such additional work. Anyway, JWE2 will probably sell millions of units, so.... financial resources will not be lacking

Hiring more workers would not only allow the introduction of a complete breeding mechanic, but could also make updates and improvements come out faster and even help in creating new DLC's in the future after the release of the base game

 

[GojiraGuy1954]

Know? You're right about that. If PK can introduce breeding, Why Frontier cannot do the same in JWE2?? I won't be a hypocrite in saying that it would be something easy to introduce, quite the contrary, it is a lot of work, but it is not impossible. They can do, even if it's gradually with small separate updates. Just like PZ does with your updates. Example...5 dinosaurs can now reproduce, and so on, until the system has covered all species of the game

It is true that it is something difficult, but not impossible, and they could hire more workers for such additional work. Anyway, JWE2 will probably sell millions of units, i.e.... financial resources will not be lacking

Hiring more workers would not only allow the introduction of a complete breeding mechanic, but could also make updates and improvements come out faster and even help in creating new DLC's in the future after the release of the base game

PK has no set release date other than a vague 2022

 

[South Tyrant]

PK has no set release date other than a vague 2022

Yes, and even if it was released before, new content could be released later

In the case of JWE2, I think the early launch in 2021 should be related to Universal Studios

 

[DragonNTiger]

if its in the movie and not ingame while requested since day one. theres only 1 reason to let it out. Jwe 3 sales pushing with that mechanic.

That sounds extremely dubious if you ask me... why create an entire game mechanic and what amounts to 75+ more animals worth of work, then hold it off until after the game is released?

More likely reasons, in my opinion:
1. Universal said no for some reason... like it or not, they have the final say in everything and if they say no, even if the idea is popular or demanded, the answer is no. As for why they'd say no, my best ideas would be either that Universal doesn't want to put Frontier in charge of designing baby versions, particularly of their animal designs... or maybe they just don't want to pay for it, which, considering we're getting 75+ animals at the start and, from a technical standpoint, adding juveniles would effectively double that, would be a ton of work and likely a ton of money...

2. Everything in the game must undergo approval from Universal... quite possibly even the designs of non-canon animals. Having to design baby versions of every animal would double the amount of red tape Frontier would need to go through... and if they added gender dimorphic models, the number would increase further... it's just a lot less paperwork to deal with if they avoid adding juveniles...