Why do people support this game so heavily??

[CMDR Karrde Sun]

The fact that my opinion and the op's opinion both exist on the same game was a minor irritation until watching a d2ea video that outlined it perfectly. Guys a genius for this.

There are 2 types of players.. simulator players, and gamer players that elite appeals to. Before gamer players get mad, it actually does exist, check out flight simulator, farming simulator (absolutely brilliant btw), euro truck simulator and the rest.

Simulator players are in heaven, because there's a substrate to get lost in with best in class mechanics to do it in. The gamey stuff provides occasional to frequent FILLER, and works really well as that. "For a change" means something by contributing to progression.

Gamer players are the exact opposite, they only care about the achievement ding, progress and stats etc, with the sandbox being filler for them.. lack of progression cant fill any void in imagination and elite falls flat to pointless for these players.

Maybe the interesting question is, why are gamer players in elite AT ALL? Been playing for 2 years and elite was dry on game content and still is now. If you don't get the sandbox side, how the hell was elite appealing for more than 25 mins? It doesn't make any sense for people who aren't getting the enjoyment from the sim rp side to be still here.. and trying.. because frontier certainly isnt trying to win your attention.

Anyway back to business

 

[Valorin]

Okay so I was watching Youtube and I ended up getting to Obsidian Ants channel and he mentioned planet landings back in 2015 and I was really surprised 2015!? Are you kidding me? So I was thinking about the game up to the present and ever since then we have gotten little to no CONTENT. I mean we should have more by now, nope still the same grindy game. I have put 5 weeks into this game and I love it I truly do but I dont have years to play the repetitive same stuff over and over again. They cant even get the mission board to be correct or be immersive and all of your fun is pressing buttons here in a space station and flying away to press buttons somewhere else. Or......oh my.....you can go shoot a rock on a big EMPTY planet or moon. See this was amazing to me at first because I was expecting to play an evolving space game but they dont do anything anymore besides add more community goals or fix things that should have been fixed awhile ago. And another thing is the prices on everything just to put a simple skin on your ship....NOPE have to pay...horizons was a ripoff and all they do is try to pull every last penny out of your pocket. Like I would love to be able to just change my ship color to another simple color and they can put a price on the fancy skins fine by me. I want to love this game but they are making it very hard. Look at other games Like The Wither 3 or Assassins Creed Origins they have CONTENT like you can do this then do that and hunt and do ACTUAL missions. In Elite it is 3304 and for a game set on being so realistic they sure dont know how to make a galaxy do they? I mean yes they modeled the galaxy really well but when I say galaxy I mean the life in it. Elite is as wide as an ocean but only a foot deep, not much to do. Even exploration is bad like you can get good views from stuff you've seen 300000000000 times and you dont even get to experience it like you should by now. Like ill be dead by the time they add atmospheric planet landings

Now I know a lot of you will tell me to leave or you dont care......but I want to know how do you love a game where you dont have anything to do and even with the stuff you get to do its ultra repetitive and grindy. I have restarted 3 or so times hoping to have a "GOAL" something to work towards. I like games with things to do I mean what do you truly get after grinding a trade route for HOURS, when in other games it could make you jump out of your seat with excitement. Im just tired of the little to no CONTENT and even with the content we have it is not immersive at all for being a realistic game and it is very very repetitive.

I want people to be supportive and try to understand where im coming from I love this game just as much also but im just looking to see if anyone else feels the same.

Uhm, I _never_ grinded anything in Elite. Grind happens if you want something fast that is intended to take longer. I also never had any problems with things taking their sweet time in Elite and I always had fun playing. I also would love Elite to be more of a simulation it already is and though I like Assassin's Creed and other games with more story driven content and collectables and whatever I would absolutely _hate_ to see these things in Elite. I wouldn't want a storyline that is the same for everyone, I like the simulated alternate reality where every player is just one small insignificant pilot. Collectibles and achievements would absolutely destroy what the game stands for for me.
So yeah, if you want all these things in Elite, I am very sorry to say that it is not the game for you. Yeah, there aren't many alternatives out there at the moment, but that doesn't mean Elite has to submit to the handholding, instant-gratification and story addictive needs of modern gaming community. Means: Yes, there are lots and lots of people enjoying the game _because_ the stuff you want to badly is not in Elite, and I am one of them.

 

[NW3]

Gamer players are the exact opposite, they only care about the achievement ding, progress and stats etc, with the sandbox being filler for them.. lack of progression cant fill any void in imagination and elite falls flat to pointless for these players.

Maybe the interesting question is, why are gamer players in elite AT ALL? If you don't get the sandbox side, how the hell was elite appealing for more than 25 mins? It doesn't make any sense for people who aren't getting the enjoyment from the sim rp side to be still here.

That is a very good question. There's something about ED that seems to draw people in, like a love/hate relationship. Some parts of ED are very good, yet other parts need work. I accept the game as it is and add Suggestions to the appropriate forum, but I'm not under any illusion that FD will actually act on any of them (although I've been pleasantly surprised a couple of times).

Unfortunately, there are those who demand (or make veiled threats "the game will die") that FD turn ED into a different kind of game. I'm really not sure why they continue to hang around, since it's unlikely FD will change the fundamental nature of ED.

 

[Sir_Robin]

So been back 8 weeks or so now and loving all the things that have been added since I've been away.

As others have said... secret seems to be not to try and rush to a percieved end game, to enjoy the journey and to immerse yourself.

The galaxy is truely amazing and the combat model and variety I find top notch.

I couldn't see any other company other than FDev doing something like this with the level of intelligence. I also respect the integrity of them for keeping pushing forward towards their vision.

Elite isnt for everyone and nothing is perfect... but what we have is to be savoured... and am sure there is plenty more to look forward to!

Happy journeys cmdrs!

 

[Stigbob]

Thinly disguised whine thread with “I love the game” tacked on the end.

Seem it all before.

Yep, all the hanging around whinging seems pretty odd. Plenty of other games out there.

 

[Red Martian]

That is a very good question. There's something about ED that seems to draw people in, like a love/hate relationship. Some parts of ED are very good, yet other parts need work. I accept the game as it is and add Suggestions to the appropriate forum, but I'm not under any illusion that FD will actually act on any of them (although I've been pleasantly surprised a couple of times).

Unfortunately, there are those who demand (or make veiled threats "the game will die") that FD turn ED into a different kind of game. I'm really not sure why they continue to hang around, since it's unlikely FD will change the fundamental nature of ED.

The parts of ED that I love, I REALLY love. For example, the graphics in this game are phenomenal. The soundtrack? I bought the CD. Ship variety? One of the best I've seen. Period. In fact, the framework of ED just screams a world of adventure and exploration. I just believe they need to fill it out. I believe that Elite, at its best, could wallop the heck out of every game in the genre, not that there are a bunch to choose from. I believe a lot of the worry and complaining really comes from a love and devotion of Elite. They, we, want it to succeed, and want it to be around for decades.

 

[gooddoc]

Yep, all the hanging around whinging seems pretty odd. Plenty of other games out there.

It's today's internet forum etiquette.......

Every positive post must be followed by a minimum of 6 whinging, dissapproving posts!

 

[Troz]

and want it to be around for decades.

It already has!

 

[Frank]

Welcome to Elite, Spacegamer23, and your complicated relationship with it.

Here's my answer...

I enjoyed the original game many decades back. I had been visiting this forum for years in an annual pilgrimage kind of way to see if Elite 4 had been started yet.

I snapped up the chance to join the Kickstarter as soon as I knew it had been announced, and you wouldn't believe the outpouring of love on that Kickstarters comments page. There's a lot of us who feel a special bond to this game because of that Kickstarter.

 

[Winterwalker]

Beagle Point. Buckyball Racing. Fuel Rats. SDC. Tharg organics design. Jump distance record. SRV BASE jumping.

A work of art.

[video=youtube;m9wL78LHRJA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9wL78LHRJA[/video]

o7

 

[CMDR Karrde Sun]

That is a very good question. There's something about ED that seems to draw people in, like a love/hate relationship. Some parts of ED are very good, yet other parts need work. I accept the game as it is and add Suggestions to the appropriate forum, but I'm not under any illusion that FD will actually act on any of them (although I've been pleasantly surprised a couple of times).

Unfortunately, there are those who demand (or make veiled threats "the game will die") that FD turn ED into a different kind of game. I'm really not sure why they continue to hang around, since it's unlikely FD will change the fundamental nature of ED.

Maybe console hipsters who like elite because its a little bit different? Yeah no idea. 1.5k hours still going nearly every day.. and even for me, when i forget to enjoy actually flying the ship and looking out the window elite does kinda suck. Doing anything for the first intention of progression will do it too.

I think the bipolar public image frontier have probably adds to it. The community team is essentially projecting an image of a standard happy pr game dev 'come be happy we're all friends' yet how frontier actually work is more ivory tower we are the vision (blizzard like) development (I really appreciate and prefer this btw, imagine if frontier jumped at every complaint post!). Anyway for new people it would easy to forgive believing that frontier will actually notice them from the community livestreams however.

Also, im not sure hows its worked on the forums as i've only recently started participating here.. but on reddit at least, around both console launches, the community significantly changed... you used to go to reddit for deep guides and discussion.. now look at it. That's something noone can change either.

 

[kilvenny]

Growing up in the space age, I wanted to be a spaceman and go to the moon and beyond. The original Elite fed that dream and ED feeds that same dream with a representation of our galaxy. I am living what I imagined forty years ago. I also grew up against the backdrop of the second world war so space flight second world war doesn't grate.

I just want to fly where I feel like going, have something I can do while I get there.

There are 400 billion systems in ED, each with one or more suns/planets/asteroid fields. How does that compare to Witcher 3 and it doesn't. How would you fill that with content and the only way is to do something like the BGS and spawn missions on a set of rules.

Could FD do more of course they could and always could do more. I think its a mistake not to have a galactic leaderboard of all pilots and the game doesnt make it easy for a player to become part of a faction and also to see how their actions shape the galaxy.

 

[Red Martian]

It already has!

Oh, I should clarify: I mean Elite: Dangerous. It's the kind of game that could last decades.

 

[GunnerBill]

The main problem is that some people play this like a corridor FPS with the beginning at Sidey and end at Cutter/Corvette.

ED is not like that at all.

It’s more like buying your first house and the adventure that this becomes.

 

[wakko151]

Why do people support this game so heavily??​

Is it because it's fun?

Elite certainly doesn't have the tech tree and base building mechanics of Subnautica. If you're looking for Subnautica in space, then ED isn't it. There are so many things to do in ED, but each has a learning curve. I like that. I also like to figure out how to do stuff, so what is actually a simple mission if you follow a wiki page on how to do it, can be hours of flying around working out where things are, how to scan things, locating a base on a planet and recovering things to your ship.

Unlock an engineer? Join a Community Goal? Get some Empire rep for a sweet looking ship? Or Federation for something fugly? Or both? Get a layer in a Powerplay Power? Try mining? Bounty hunt? Do the first 20 systems of road to riches? Or just explore some stuff on your own? Scan an alien? Kill an Alien? Learn how to drop out of SC always facing the station head on? Fly something small and fast with flight assist off?

I don't think I'll ever do a fraction of what's available in the game. However, like anything, I sometimes go off and do other things. Dip in, dip out. The game is enormous, and growing all the time. It may not be for you, but I'd be surprised if you didn't find some elements that grip you, even if it's only every now and then for an evening or two at a time.

You just described the entire game and now... its over.
Mile wide and an inch deep.

The OP made a great point. Its been 3 years. Now what?

 

[Cmdr Eratosthenes]

Because rather than seeing any relationship between a player and FD for what it is I.E as a purely business/financial arrangement where you give them money & they give you a product (which comes with standard consumer rights to be critical of said product if it's not what you expected or were promised) and that's it, there is a core of posters to this forum who represent a very small % of the player base who have this almost romantic attachment to FD because DB made this game they played when they were a kid or they forked out plenty in the Kickstarter (not naming names here, you know who I'm talking about), so Frontier can effectively do no wrong in these people's eyes, and if you criticise Frontier or any aspect of the game you're immediately jumped on. To these people it doesn't matter if FD fails to deliver on various aspects of the game as it has done, they're golden no matter what.

 

[lokvette]

In an ealier post I said somthing about not being able to put my finger on what was wrong with ED for me at least. Somthing that comes close is:

I spent hours and hours playing the orignal game/games and have a fair few in this one as well, but its 2018 not 1990/96 and I no longer play games on my Amiga 500 or a SX25 pc. The game looks and sounds amazing and yeah the game is great but then it slaps me in the face that what im doing all be it with nice grahics and sound is what I was doing way back then.

Somtimes its worse I used to love the old assianation missions where you had to scan the wake, jump in front of them and say hello as they came into the system, I dont know I do love the game but as said somthing isnt there for me anymore only so many times I can do the same thing, get the local factions to love me flip a few stations for them but they still treat me like its the first time we are meeting.

Sorry random ranting thoughts whislt on a break..:x

 

[Iskariot]

I want to know how do you love a game where you dont have anything to do and even with the stuff you get to do its ultra repetitive and grindy. (

Did you take into consideration that your premises might be highly subjective and loaded and therefore completely dishonest?
Therefore your loaded question is only a reflection of your personal opinion and completely meaningless to many others, especially those who simply do not think that there is nothing to do, and do not think that everything is ultra repetitive and grindy. Perhaps you should have a look at how you choose to play the game?

I have no doubt you can find people that are of the same opinion as you and you can complain and whine together in unison all day long, but I won't waste any more time on dishonest questions.
The mere fact that you compare a game like ED with games like Assassin's Creed and The Witcher is asinine in my opinion and even then... Did those games not have repetitive, grindy gameplay?
People especially whined about Assassin's Creed games all day long for that very reason.

This obviously is not the game for you at this stage of development. It is as simple as that.
Perhaps try again in a year or two.

 

[Cmdr Eratosthenes]

-SNIP-

Perhaps try again in a year or two.

It's been almost 3.5 years & you want people to 'try again in a year or two' ?? And in a year or two will it be a case of 'maybe try again in another year or two' ?

 

[Troz]

It's been almost 3.5 years & you want people to 'try again in a year or two' ?? And in a year or two will it be a case of 'maybe try again in another year or two' ?

Yes, if you still don't like it. You have a choice. Meanwhile, the very large number of people who like the game will continue to play it.