Why does everyone call ED a space flight sim?

Except the original argument was never if the "Space sim" genre existed, or the merits of its naming semantics.

The OP was asking if ED was a "simulation" or not, since the "simulation" argument is used often to enforce boring game mechanics.
And no, it's not a "Simulation" even if it belongs to the "space sim" genre. It's a game with poorly designed mechanics.

Actually he asked why everybody is calling Elite a space sim and the answer to that is because that's how the genre is called;)
 
You can call any or all of them Janet if you like mate. It doesn't effect what I'll call them.

Well that's dangerous... If I told my wife I was gonna go play with Janet tonight it might not bode well for me. You know, since her name isn't Janet. I'm seeing homeless or worse... (shivers from the thought)
 
Actually he asked why everybody is calling Elite a space sim and the answer to that is because that's how the genre is called;)

Well, that's the reason why people call ED a "space sim".

But if you read the OP:

It's always a justification given for certain less entertaining elements of the game. It isn't a space sim. Have you seen what astronauts do? Elite is NOTHING like reality so can we please just get FDev focussing on making an enjoyable and engaging space game?

That's all I had to say really. Feel free to agree or disagree at your own leisure.


He's framing the question in the context of the "simulation" moniker often being used to justify boring gameplay mechanics (which does happen).

Feel free to ignore the OP and argue whatever you want. [haha]
 
Just a question: If FD came out and plastered 'Space Sim' on the packaging for ED, would you stop playing?

If not, then this entire thread is kind of useless.
 
It's your prerogative to be wrong, pal.

Except he isn't wrong. Space sim is the correct term for the genre. That doesn't mean that OP is wrong when he says the game isn't realistic. And his point isn't unreasonable in my opinion. For me realism isn't important but immersion is. That means the game needs to have a consistent and believable game world. Deus Ex would be a good example.
 
Well, that's the reason why people call ED a "space sim".

But if you read the OP:




He's framing the question in the context of the "simulation" moniker often being used to justify boring gameplay mechanics (which does happen).

Feel free to ignore the OP and argue whatever you want. [haha]

Adressing the thread title and a central line in the OP is hardly ignoring it. He should've called the thread "Why does everyone call Elite realistic?". But that wouldn't be any good either because nobody actually calls the game realistic. So how about "Why does nobody call ED realistic?" but that probably isn't catchy enough.
 
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Are you being deliberately obtuse?

Turn off your fly-by-wire, go FA-off, then drift forever. with FA on your ship is doing stuff automatically - you can even see the thrusters firing to do it...

By all means argue for more fidelity in the flight model where there genuinely is a deficiency. But where there isn't, don't manufacture one out of whole cloth and obvious rubbish.

Speed limit still exist.

Oh, and you can't orbit any celestial object.

"Real physics" yeah.
 
No thanks, I unsubscribed his channel.

Can you do it with any other planet/moon? What about orbiting a 1G or more planet?

I gave you the info. If you're not gonna atleast check yourself then what is the point in asking more questions about it. You CAN orbit planets in ED. End of

Check reddit? There's forums on there about it. Check forums in here even, plenty showing you can do it
 
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I gave you the info. If you're not gonna atleast check yourself then what is the point in asking more questions about it. You CAN orbit planets in ED. End of

Check reddit? There's forums on there about it. Check forums in here even, plenty showing you can do it

Oh, yeah, I found some videos. You can't orbit with 1G.
 
That's more of a "post hoc" lore-creation. There's absolutely no valid reason for spaceships built in the year 3000 to not have horizontal maneuvering thrusters.

Angled surfaces. ;)

FWIW, speaking as somebody who's played a bit of KSP, when you're building space-planes you often find that you can't fit quad-OMS thrusters where you want 'cos there are things like wings in the way.
Instead, you can bung simple one-directional thrusters on the diagonal axis's of the ship (one set at the front and one set at the back, at equal distances from the CoM) and they'll happily induce 6 DOF movement.
Just don't try it on a cylindrical ship. ;)

It's almost like FDev thought about what they were doing when they designed the OMS thrusters. [where is it]
 
Oh, yeah, I found some videos. You can't orbit with 1G.

And? Plus I'm not even sure what you're arguing about. You don't seem to be a fan of Elite. Yet here you are bothering people. I'm done. I just gave info on something you claimed can't be done. Cya buddy

On topic.

It's not an astronaut sim or NASA sim. It's as good as we're gonna get, so why not? It simulates our galaxy pretty well. The flight characteristics work pretty well. Who cares anyway? Is flight sims a flying sim? Not really. Is farm simulator actually a farm simulator? No lol. But it's as near as is possible in a game.
 
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You don't seem to be a fan of Elite.
I'm not a fan of Elite, It did some good things with mining and exploration in 3.3, but the rest of the updates were underdeveloped. I liked 2.0 though.

Yet here you are bothering people. I'm done. I just gave info on something you claimed can't be done. Cya buddy
Sorry if you got bothered because we can't orbit planets with moderate G, I'm also concerned about this too.
Yeah, we can orbit planets with 0,02G, I didn't tried it before but thank you.
Speed is not enough to make it cool though.

Who cares anyway?
I do care about flying, its what I do most of the time in this game, well... the other 50% of the time is lost with the boring supercruise.
 
I just want my one shot Hearthstone Drive. One way ticket back to a set location... :-D

So happy we have Space Willow Wisps :)
 
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