Why does it take so long to fix game issues?

[Sylveria]

But a AAA game still. Elite was at best Triple-I but I wouldn't say so. Budget was likely not high enough.

And given by way of comparison to AAA games as a whole... let's talk about the average yield of playable content in hours, shall we?

Like 40-60 hours of "playable" content for current game titles that cost around $60 each.

For some who have upwards of 500+ hours to complain that there's not enough content to keep them satisfied for a non-subscription game, I'd say it's a bit ridiculous to expect a developer to keep you satisfied for the rest of your life when all is considered.

 

[Kubicide]

And given by way of comparison to AAA games as a whole... let's talk about the average yield of playable content in hours, shall we?

Like 40-60 hours of "playable" content for current game titles that cost around $60 each.

For some who have upwards of 500+ hours to complain that there's not enough content to keep them satisfied for a non-subscription game, I'd say it's a bit ridiculous to expect a developer to keep you satisfied for the rest of your life when all is considered.

Since you brought it up, quantity does not equal quality. Not sure what this has to do with AAA titles versus Elite but... Just because someone had played xxx hours versus someone else who has played a game only xx hours doesn't mean xxx hrs for that game makes it 'better'. That is just silly thinking.

What did you mean? And note this thread is about the developer applying resources to fix issues. Or in this case how FDev have decided to not invest in fixing issues quickly.

 

[Sylveria]

Since you brought it up, quality does not equal quality. Not sure what this has to do with AAA titles versus Elite but... Just because someone had played xxx hours versus someone else who has played a game only xx hours doesn't mean the xxx hrs that that game is 'better'. That is just silly thinking.

What did you mean?

What this has to do with AAA titles versus Elite is the comparisons some tend to make. That's pretty much the "meaning" here.

Personally- I think it's ridiculous to compare them just as AAA titles to begin with- or even just as a specific "genre" (space settings, etc.) and games should be rated upon their own merits- not because X developer is doing Y. Each game should be unique in its own right- not a carbon copy of something that's already been done.

 

[Kubicide]

What this has to do with AAA titles versus Elite is the comparisons some tend to make. That's pretty much the "meaning" here.

Personally- I think it's ridiculous to compare them just as AAA titles to begin with- or even just as a specific "genre" (space settings, etc.) and games should be rated upon their own merits- not because X developer is doing Y. Each game should be unique in its own right- not a carbon copy of something that's already been done.

Okay, I guess, for another post and topic. Each game should be unique but all games should be properly supported. That's the point here. One game was supported very well and another not so much.

 

[M00ka]

and neither do you, even though you try, again and again and again and again and again and again (and again, see above ^^^, oh the irony) - but maybe you should pay a bit more attention around here instead of rabidly defending everything without actually READING any of it.

Do you know WHY I've been so visibly vocal and it looks like I'm the "only one complaining" for four years?

Because all the others have left - given up, walked away from ED and FDev as a lost cause, irredeemable and forever broken. I can name one backer who has personally confirmed to me that he backed the game for MORE THAN £10,000 GBP, but he walked away 2 years ago.

There are forum members who had spent YEARS ont htis forum BEFORE the ED kickstarter talking about a 4th Elite game and how amazing that would be, with all the new game engines and computer power.

Where are they now? well, quite a few left after offlinegate, disgusted by how much they had to fight just to get a refund they were legally entitled to; the rest? Well they just drifted off one by one, usually not long after FDev released content that turned out to be shabby and half baked.

Very VERY occasionally I see them pop back and post, possibly to see if FDev have managed to redeem themselves or maybe out of pure morbid curiosity, who knows, but most of the oppostion to your fanboy club has gone.

You might beleive there are less complaints now because FDev are doing a better job, and to some exrtent that is true, you'll even see ME praise them on occasion if you dig hard enough, but you don't make somethign great by saying "that'll do" and walking off.

What you and all the other fanbois don't seem to understand is that the "complainers" are fanbois who REFUSE to accept mediocre, we are actually on the SAME SIDE fighting the SAME FIGHT, but we are the ones pushing FDev TO MAKE ED THE BEST IT CAN BE, because the Elite franchise is THE PROGENITOR, the seed from whence this genre grew, yet it is being overtaken and overshadowed by the hungry and committed, with less money and less resources and the worst part is, FDev can see this and seemingly do little.

So while you won't like this, the truth is that all the rabid fanbois who praise everything FDev does, regardless of quality, while it might make you and them feel good, you're not actually doing them any favors.

Fanbois seem to be like those schools who give out certificates to pupils JUST FOR TURNING UP TO SCHOOL - no I'm really not kidding - going to school everyday AS YOU'RE BLOODY SUPPOSED TO, gets you an "attendance certificate".

You (fanbois collectively) are also just as guilty of acting like most politicians around the world who will argue against almost everything, even when it's a good idea.

Time and again you M00ka, and eagleboy and others have displayed you don't really understand what's going on here, and what some of us are trying to acheive - however just as I came to understand that the SDC were actually doing quite a few things for reasons that escaped most peoples understanding, that were aimed at highlighting just how flawed some of the game mechanics and systems were, because nothing highlights a flaw more than shoving it in someones face, repeatedly - you too can come to understand you and I and few remainign complainers only want the same thing:

For Elite Dangerous to be what it can and should be.

Sadly I don't think even Sir David Braben thinks that way anymore. (one of the few times I've been respectful enough to use his full name and title) - I've made no secret of the fact that 1984 Elite literally saved my life, your commitment to the franchise by comparison, pales into insignificance.

(ps can't be bothered to fix the typos and grammer - I'm off to play NMS - steam ID rafezetter88 https://steamcommunity.com/search/users/#text=rafezetter (no surprise there) add me if you want and we'll boogie, everyone's welcome, even you m00ka if you keep a civil tongue.)

PPS yes that's definitely me, not trolling, it'll be confirmed by my steam avatar, you might recognise it, yes that's a genuine 1984 Elite rank badge, yes it's mine.

For starters, I never said, never alluded to the fact, that I was speaking for the community. I know that anyone who dares disagrees with you is automatically labelled the ENEMY, I can live with that.

But to burst your bubble on a few of your more outlandish claims. I have, on many occasions, voiced my own personal opinion on aspects of the game I don't like. The convoluted C&P system, the stupid mechanisms for obtaining Guardian blueprints, the lack of in-game information, the total lack of effort by FD to punish those who break the rules. But you will never recognise those comments because they all fit within your own person paradigm for the game, you only get upset when someone dares to have a different opinion to yours. In fact I have even seen Eagleboy state there is something he doesn't like in the game (okay it is rare but it does happen). In fact I am quite confident in saying there isn't a regular poster here who only says good, positive things about FD and the game and never says anything bad.

I know you feel cheated about the game, you were involved in the DDF, and unfortunately I surmise that FD didn't accept or implement all the wonderful suggestions you provided. Remember they were making a game for everyone, not exclusively for Rafe Zetter.

Finally, there is one fact that is undeniable: I make my comments based on personal experience in the current game that I play, I don't make comments based on third party gossip and what I read in forums and the like.

 

[Devari]

For some who have upwards of 500+ hours

When that 500 hours consists of 450 hours of mindless grind to earn credits/mats/rank/Engineering unlocks and maybe 50 hours of actual gameplay content, that is not particularly good value.

If I spend 3 hours watching a movie that turns out to be boring, poorly written and with a terrible ending that does not give me better "value" than a well-made 1.5 hour movie that I actually enjoy watching. It actually just ends up wasting several hours of my time that I could have spent doing something else that was more enjoyable.

 

[Whitehair]

When that 500 hours consists of 450 hours of mindless grind ...snip.

Mindless grind is in the mind of the grinder.

 

[Devari]

Mindless grind is in the mind of the grinder.

So you're suggesting here that Elite is not based on mindless grind?

Just wanted to give you a chance to explain what appears to be an utterly ridiculous claim before I click on "Ignore User".

 

[Quester91]

So you're suggesting here that Elite is not based on mindless grind?

Just wanted to give you a chance to explain what appears to be an utterly ridiculous claim before I click on "Ignore User".

Lol, chill mate his post was obviously sarcastic

 

[Whitehair]

Press that button.

 

[M00ka]

When that 500 hours consists of 450 hours of mindless grind to earn credits/mats/rank/Engineering unlocks and maybe 50 hours of actual gameplay content, that is not particularly good value.

If I spend 3 hours watching a movie that turns out to be boring, poorly written and with a terrible ending that does not give me better "value" than a well-made 1.5 hour movie that I actually enjoy watching. It actually just ends up wasting several hours of my time that I could have spent doing something else that was more enjoyable.

Fair enough but I think it depends when that 450 hours appears. If it the players first 450 hours and suddenly they find they are enjoying the game then all is good. If it the last 450 hours then I question why the player continued playing if it was so mundane to them?

 

[Riverside]

So you're suggesting here that Elite is not based on mindless grind?

Just wanted to give you a chance to explain what appears to be an utterly ridiculous claim before I click on "Ignore User".

I checked yesterday as part of another thread & I've done over 5,000 hours now, very little of that was a chore (only mining to unlock engineers come to mind as a dull activity I've felt I needed to do). I've never participated in any alien pew pew stuff, and don't habitually use external tools or how-to guides though.

 

[Devari]

Lol, chill mate his post was obviously sarcastic

Unfortunately there are plenty of people on these forums who repeatedly make ludicrous statements such as "I enjoy everything I do in the game so there is no grind", "Elite works fine for me so there are no bugs", "Elite has plenty of content" and so on. It happens so often that now I will just ignore those users rather than reading the same nonsense over and over again. Since sarcasm doesn't always translate well to the forums I figured I'd ask for an explanation in case it was, in fact, something other than a ludicrous statement.

 

[Devari]

Press that button.

Do I need to press it? I'm hoping I just missed the sarcasm, as Quester suggested, but it wouldn't surprise me either way.

 

[Whitehair]

No. Please just ignore me.

I like making sarcastic comments when the poster can't see them

I seem to have pressed one of your buttons anyway.

 

[Cmdr Eagleboy]

So you're suggesting here that Elite is not based on mindless grind?

Just wanted to give you a chance to explain what appears to be an utterly ridiculous claim before I click on "Ignore User".

Elite is space commander's live sim, so yes, repeated actions are implied. I have spent about 400 - 500 hours and I have even touched Engineers. Enjoyed big majority of that time.

If you are not enjoying that kind of game, maybe not engage with it?

 

[Devari]

Fair enough but I think it depends when that 450 hours appears. If it the players first 450 hours and suddenly they find they are enjoying the game then all is good. If it the last 450 hours then I question why the player continued playing if it was so mundane to them?

Well for most players the "content" is spread out among those 500 hours while you're doing the grind, since you need to do various activities to grind all of the credits, mats, rank, Engineering unlocks and so on to get the ships you want and Engineer them. By the time you reach the "endgame" ships you realize that first, there's really no "endgame" content since NPCs are consistently nerfed to the level of a baked potato, second, your large, fully-Engineered ship is more of a liability than an asset (due to frequent griefing and exponentially higher rebuy costs) and third, the game is so poorly balanced that it isn't actually going to get any "better" after you did all of that grind because the core game mechanics are actually getting worse, rather than better, because FD doesn't understand or play their own game.

 

[Devari]

No. Please just ignore me.

I like making sarcastic comments when the poster can't see them

I seem to have pressed one of your buttons anyway.

If I missed the sarcasm, then the ignore button would not be warranted. That's why I asked first. I really do want to save my ignore list for those who truly deserve it. Usually that is less than half a dozen posters at any given time since I usually clear the list every so often. A few posters now are on there permanently, because after taking them off the list they promptly demonstrated why I had to put them right back on, but that is a rather rare occurrence.

 

[Devari]

Elite is space commander's live sim, so yes, repeated actions are implied. I have spent about 400 - 500 hours and I have even touched Engineers. Enjoyed big majority of that time.

If you are not enjoying that kind of game, maybe not engage with it?

Sorry, but who actually enjoys mindless grind? "If you don't enjoy mindless grind, then maybe Elite isn't the game for you?" isn't an answer to the game having grind.

That is about as useful as asking your server why they haven't brought your meal after several hours, and having someone at another table tell you "If you don't enjoy waiting 3 hours for your meal, then perhaps eating at this restaurant isn't for you?"

 

[babelfisch]

Sorry, but who actually enjoys mindless grind? "If you don't enjoy mindless grind, then maybe Elite isn't the game for you?" isn't an answer to the game having grind.

That is about as useful as asking your server why they haven't brought your meal after several hours, and having someone at another table tell you "If you don't enjoy waiting 3 hours for your meal, then perhaps eating at this restaurant isn't for you?"

So far the only mindless grind I've come across is some stupid Engineers unlocks. And I didn't bother with the stupid Guardians or Rank unlocks. So I partly agree with you that some areas of the 'gameplay' consist of mindless grinding, which deserves to be criticised and fixed but at the same time it's possible to avoid these shallow parts of the game.