Why Frontier are wrong to keep nerfing high credit earning methods.

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I completely agree with you op, there need to be a better balance but as right now it's way too much of a grind. The other solution it's to greatly reduce the cost of everything else.
 
Oh ok I see. You're the one and only definer of exploits and not. Got it.

I don't really care either way. I'm flying my newly a rated corvette to engineers to engineer this stuff. Then I'm on to find the best way to find whatever mats I need before they nerf all the new missions rewards that give out insane amounts of the top tier mats for doing absolutely nothing. Oops guess Im exploiting and cheating ooooooooooooohhhhhhhh no.

You best go get a new thread started stat, post haste. Hurry now. Wanna go for ride huh doya, oooooh you know you do,,, ohhh wiggle wittle thing wann go for a ride?

Oh and don't worry, I'll post my this game sucks there is nothing to do in ED thread in about a week or two for y'all. Since I'm now going to find out there is nothing to do in ED since I have a corvette.

Given up then ? I guess so as you have not really had anything constructive to say.
It seems to me that you've been trying to tell us all what is and isn't an exploit. You just happened to be wrong.
I go by the dictionary definition and apply that to the game. You just think that exploits are defined by whether FDev punish players or not. Isn't taking away the missions a punishment ?

BTW fyi, 2 Corvettes, 2 Anacondas, 1 Cutter, 13 others in my fleet, all are engineered and all A-rated barring the exploration ships which is intentional. Oh yeah and double Elite (almost there with Exploration), Admiral and King ranked and 4 billion in the bank. Not a big deal really but please tell me why I'm supposed to be bothered about what you're up to. Oh and missions will not reward more than 5 mats. That's not exactly 'insane'.
You might want to stick to only arguing about things you understand first.
Enjoy your game you dirty little exploiter and cheater, hehe. :)
 
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5x20=100. For flying 10 -20 Lyrs to the next station. 5-10 mins a trip. Get them both ways.

What's that about not insane amounts again? How many did you get before? Could you trade them in before? Lol mats are even easier to get than credits were with skimmers.

And this absolutely requires that naughty,dirty, filthy board flipping they still didn't call an exploit during the skimmer thread.

I've gotten way more mats for G5 in a week then I ever did in a whole year of playing.
 
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Easy come easy go, hate to use this phrase but..At the end of the day, its FD's game and they can do what the hell they want. Be it right or wrong whos to say. I will say tho somthing isnt right when you have one of these and people are falling over themselfs to get to it, then it gets nerfed and the player base goes back to the norm.

I still cant get my head around how anyone else plays this game matters to anyone unless said person is blowing you up every time you undock, then yeah then I would worry about the way others play.

Getting some fast cash due to call it what you will has no bearing on my game, if ED had a player market or little billy who started yesterday gets in his Annaconda today effected me or pretty much anyone else for that matter ans Im sure it dosnt effect most of the posters saying this is a bad thing, then yeah maybe just maybe I would see it as a problem.

But its gone now so untill the next one when this merry go around will start all over again .....
 
Can I just stop you there.... it WAS an exploit.

It was an exploit for 3 reasons.

1) You could complete missions at Oxley Keep that were supposed to be completed at Harding's Folly.. I know it's a faction thing but it needs sorting. If it's intended gameplay then the mission cannot be telling you to go to a direct place but instead say "..at Oxleys keep or Hardings Folly"
Its like delivering a letter to house No.18 when it's addressed to No.45 and it being ok because it's on the same street.

2) Instance swapping (Apparently Frontier don't police this as an exploit because technically there is no current way to stop it). Some say there was no board swapping but in some cases you had to unless you wanted to wait or take on cheaper missions.

3) Frontier nerfed it! That reason alone is enough to classify it as an exploit. An exploit is taking an advantage of unintended gameplay for your own gain. If it was intended gameplay then it would not have been nerfed. Simple as that.

It wasn't an exploit.

Frontier disabled the missions while they reassess the whole game code around how the missions work, but that's an oversight on their part. Until that time the game worked as designed.

Playing the game normally without manipulating or forcing a state that would not normally occur is not exploiting the game. Hence why frontier did roll back and credits.

If you recall the last true exploit with engineering they did roll back and even ban people because they used true exploits.
 
You misunderstand. It is unintended behavouir. Therefor an exploit and possibly a bug. Hence the reason why the missions are pulled. If they were working as intended, they would have kept them there.

Almost there but not yet.

Exactly. But be prepared, he'll tell you that it's the developers responsibility to make sure everything is working as intended and therefore it can't be an exploit. Which doesn't make any sense, but neither does anything else in this thread.

Ok so i think you should read and understand what you are read.



To put it straight an exploit is a known unintentional mechanic in the game that is used to ones advantage. The skimmer boom run has been in they game since skimmer missions where introduced. Fdev have done nothing nor stated "known" issue do not do this.

So usually if it isn't implied it isn't and percieved as normal gameplay. Fdev just recently noticed because of the uproar from the community on both sides and decided to investigate it.

If it was truely an exploit all those players that racked in credits with the same technique since the mission type release, would have a lot less cred in their wallets and maybe missing a ship or too. Fdev just recently stated it was unintentional and as of now if the missions were still available and players now still using it, would be considered and exploit. Does that make more sense?
 
To put it straight an exploit is a known unintentional mechanic in the game that is used to ones advantage. The skimmer boom run has been in they game since skimmer missions where introduced. Fdev have done nothing nor stated "known" issue do not do this.

So usually if it isn't implied it isn't and percieved as normal gameplay. Fdev just recently noticed because of the uproar from the community on both sides and decided to investigate it.

If it was truely an exploit all those players that racked in credits with the same technique since the mission type release, would have a lot less cred in their wallets and maybe missing a ship or too. Fdev just recently stated it was unintentional and as of now if the missions were still available and players now still using it, would be considered and exploit. Does that make more sense?

It doesn't matter if you know if the behaviour is unintended or not. All that matters is if the behaviour is intended by the devs. It's not. Using a system to get an advantage that wasn't intended by the developers is the very definition of an exploit. It is possible that you are using the exploit 'accidentally', but it doesn't stop being an exploit just because you don't know it. It's that simple. Note that I don't blame anyone or ask that they get their credits removed.

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Ok so i think you should read and understand what you are read.
This sentence doesn't make any sense.
 
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It doesn't matter if you know if the behaviour is unintended or not. All that matters is if the behaviour is intended by the devs. It's not. Using a system to get an advantage that wasn't intended by the developers is the very definition of an exploit. It is possible that you are using the exploit 'accidentally', but it doesn't stop being an exploit just because you don't know it. It's that simple. Note that I don't blame anyone or ask that they get their credits removed.

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This sentence doesn't make any sense.

Oh I absolutely 10000000000000000000000000% intentionally went to that systems, and intentionally took the missions offered then intentionally took me oxely's keep. Then absolutely intentionally killed all the skimmers it told me to, intentionally sitting int the same spot, waiting for the game to intentionally respawn the skimmers. And then when the game intentionally completed my missions, after I intentionally killed the skimmers it intended me to kill, I intentionally flew back to station the game intended me to return to. Then I intentionally turned in all the completed missions, which intentionally increased the faction reps. I then intentionally took the new better paying missions the game intended to spawn on the missions board. And I just intentionally did this over and over again.
 
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You misunderstand. It is unintended behavouir. Therefor an exploit and possibly a bug. Hence the reason why the missions are pulled. If they were working as intended, they would have kept them there.

Exactly. But be prepared, he'll tell you that it's the developers responsibility to make sure everything is working as intended and therefore it can't be an exploit. Which doesn't make any sense, but neither does anything else in this thread.

It doesn't matter if you know if the behaviour is unintended or not. All that matters is if the behaviour is intended by the devs. It's not. Using a system to get an advantage that wasn't intended by the developers is the very definition of an exploit. It is possible that you are using the exploit 'accidentally', but it doesn't stop being an exploit just because you don't know it. It's that simple. Note that I don't blame anyone or ask that they get their credits removed.

On technical terms it was intended gamepley if it was around for so long i dont know almost 2 years maybe give or take. And just something is happening with the missions being taken out while fdev rebalance the mission and reward system. It was an unkown issue that really wasnt an issue until now. It's now knowledge it was unintentional and a bug that qa testers failed to see. Not an exploit. In fact for example what was said about the respawning of the skimmers by leaving the area and coming back, thats making use of the games respawn mechanic, a mechanic intentionally placed in the game to help complete missions, however, i would point out fdev should prob make it so you dont get credit for skimmer kills in a ship, which would fix the whole issue of making 2bilcr in a couple of hours which i didn't know you could do till volly boom by stacking skimmer missions and shooting them in your ship and working the respawn mechanic that way i usually went to poi killed all the skimmers in all the trespass zones got my ship flew away and came back and started again.

Instead of titeling it an exploit which it really wasnt. Just look at it as it is, a bug or mechanic that was overlooked. No one was cheating or exploiting to get ahead just playing the game with the tools and mechanics that were given.
 
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While I think wing missions are a great idea, I think they have gone the wrong way with them. All missions should be shareable and have the rewards shared, not duplicated. It doesn't make sense for an employer to double or triple rewards like that.

Then it should be much easier to balance out the rewards.



Then don't grind, but enjoy the journey instead. Talk about trying to ruin your own game.

You missed the point, you maybe one of these sandal wearing "life is a journey" types but other people aren't. You can;t assign your own values to an argument about how other people should percieve something
 
It doesn't matter if you know if the behaviour is unintended or not. All that matters is if the behaviour is intended by the devs. It's not. Using a system to get an advantage that wasn't intended by the developers is the very definition of an exploit. It is possible that you are using the exploit 'accidentally', but it doesn't stop being an exploit just because you don't know it. It's that simple. Note that I don't blame anyone or ask that they get their credits removed.
Still feeling your pain. :)
 
This could all go away if the game adapted to the players systems and thus proved more difficult to beat over time.

One simple way of doing this is to let the faction giving the missions run out of reward money to give. Accumulation progresses slowly, but could be injected by more if the player does some power injection work for them.
 
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You missed the point, you maybe one of these sandal wearing "life is a journey" types but other people aren't. You can;t assign your own values to an argument about how other people should percieve something

I think you are misunderstanding. People can play however they like. It doesn't bother me in the slightest. My issues are that they choose to make the journey an awful experience and then complain about it. If you don't like it, change it. But at the end of the day it is entirely up to them.

All I am doing is giving another option that some people may not have thought of. Is that so wrong?

Also what is a sandal wearing life is a journey type? I suggest you stop stereotyping.
 
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On technical terms it was intended gamepley if it was around for so long i dont know almost 2 years maybe give or take. And just something is happening with the missions being taken out while fdev rebalance the mission and reward system. It was an unkown issue that really wasnt an issue until now. It's now knowledge it was unintentional and a bug that qa testers failed to see. Not an exploit. In fact for example what was said about the respawning of the skimmers by leaving the area and coming back, thats making use of the games respawn mechanic, a mechanic intentionally placed in the game to help complete missions, however, i would point out fdev should prob make it so you dont get credit for skimmer kills in a ship, which would fix the whole issue of making 2bilcr in a couple of hours which i didn't know you could do till volly boom by stacking skimmer missions and shooting them in your ship and working the respawn mechanic that way i usually went to poi killed all the skimmers in all the trespass zones got my ship flew away and came back and started again.

Instead of titeling it an exploit which it really wasnt. Just look at it as it is, a bug or mechanic that was overlooked. No one was cheating or exploiting to get ahead just playing the game with the tools and mechanics that were given.

How can it be intended gameplay when you say that it's a bug and unintentional one sentence later?
 
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Also what is a sandal wearing life is a journey type? I suggest you stop stereotyping.

That might be me, I wear sandals in the summer (not the JC sort,if your Britsh think of that teacher who would come in wearing them in the middle of winter with his socks and bike clips still on. ) and I do think life is a journey.

We are after all born, we live, we die thus the journey is from birth to death. Never saw myself as a type tho, but then I do see what he/she was trying to say with his post, and hey nothing wrong with a bit of peace and love. :p

But this has nothing to do with the OP.
 
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