Why is ship interiors something that is not planned to be included if at least half the player base wants it?

Wow you really seem personally attacked by the very idea that a great many people want ship interiors as a gameplay feature in their space ship game.

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Is this EVIDENCE of people wanting ship interiors a "pathetic response", or the fact that SC is more popular than Elite and it's biggest feature are ship interiors?

It seems like the manifestation of ship interiors personified has damaged you somehow with how vitriol you are.
That was such a pathetic poll that it was certain that you would bring it up. Ask people “do you want free stuff?”, and gosh, 97% say yes.
 
“The consensus is already made for a huge part of the community - they want ship interiors.” This is just your fantasy version of reality. The question that matters is - do they want them more than another feature? That‘s what matters here.
Ahahahhahahahhahaah, what the hell are you talking about, man?

Are you Professor X from X-Men or something?

Are you suggesting that so many commanders are asking for it but are secretly wanting something else!?!?!

People outright ask for it, demand for it, write it on polls, in forums, under videos, the demand is EVERYWHERE, the only ones who can deny it are FDev representatives and deliberately ignorant people like yourself.

Is that really the best argument you can come up with?

Are you actually for real?
 
Yay! More speculating!
My take:
  • Too many ships
  • Ships are big and mapping them completely would be an insane task.
  • It takes too much time for the gameplay it would bring.
  • It's plain and simply something the devs decided to not do (yet.) They create this game. It's their decision. It's on our wishlist, they know that, and done. We are not entitled to anything regarding design decisions and direction of development.


In my humble opinion, those people who cried for space legs for years now, should now just shut up and enjoy walking and stop complaining that "this isn't what we wanted", because it is.

I never even wanted space legs nor considered it until the announcement of Odyssey. Hell I am loving every minute of it and then some. Sadly, there are some people who wouldn't be happy with anything.
 
Ahahahhahahahhahaah, what the hell are you talking about, man?

Are you Professor X from X-Men or something?

Are you suggesting that so many commanders are asking for it but are secretly wanting something else!?!?!

People outright ask for it, demand for it, write it on polls, in forums, under videos, the demand is EVERYWHERE, the only ones who can deny it are FDev representatives and deliberately ignorant people like yourself.

Is that really the best argument you can come up with?

Are you actually for real?
All I can say is: not everyone even agrees what “interiors” even means, nor does everyone believe they are the higher priority. But, feel free to ignore everyone who disagrees with you.

I am sure your campaign of raging on the forums and coming up reasons to ignore anyone who disagrees with you will be a massive success.
 
All I can say is: not everyone even agrees what “interiors” even means, nor does everyone believe they are the higher priority. But, feel free to ignore everyone who disagrees with you.

I am sure your campaign of raging on the forums and coming up reasons to ignore anyone who disagrees with you will be a massive success.
Pot. Kettle.
 
Wow you really seem personally attacked by the very idea that a great many people want ship interiors as a gameplay feature in their space ship game.

u83aliacrqp61.jpg


Is this EVIDENCE of people wanting ship interiors a "pathetic response", or the fact that SC is more popular than Elite and it's biggest feature are ship interiors?

It seems like the manifestation of ship interiors personified has damaged you somehow with how vitriol you are.

That is a poll from Youtube which in no way shows the validity of anything. Youtube is an open platform open to both Elite players and non elite players. What % of active Elite players in total are subscribed to OA? How many people who responded to the poll are Elite players? Even then, the question states "In the future" yet everyone is crying and moaning that it is never coming, just like people cried and moaned about this and that after Horizons. Until someone manages to get a legitimate poll from every Elite player who is registered and has the game, there is no real telling what the percentage of people who are asking for them regularly is. Many of the casual players, or those who just try to avoid the 'content creator' drama will avoid the forums and youtube because it turns into an echo chamber of whoever can rally the most noise feel entitled.

So far as ship interiors, they were stated as not coming with Odyssey a while ago... everyone knew yet with release coming up everyone was still beating the drums of "we want X, we want Y" when the development plan was already set and they were approaching the release date. The way everyone is acting, Elite may as well be SC 2.0 because everyone wants every feature now then complain when there is a release that doesn't go smooth (which happened with Horizons to boot I might add and people complained just as they are now, yet the crowd on the forums is beating the 'Im just playing horizons as if it never had speedbumps because X, Y, Z' drums).

Give interiors time, they will come when they come and then everyone asking for them can complain to their hearts content it isnt what they wanted after they get them.
 
All I can say is: not everyone even agrees what “interiors” even means, nor does everyone believe they are the higher priority. But, feel free to ignore everyone who disagrees with you.

I am sure your campaign of raging on the forums and coming up reasons to ignore anyone who disagrees with you will be a massive success.
Hopefully, my campaign for getting players who pay for the game to get what they want will be a massive success. Hopefully, yeah.
 
That is a poll from Youtube which in no way shows the validity of anything. Youtube is an open platform open to both Elite players and non elite players. What % of active Elite players in total are subscribed to OA? How many people who responded to the poll are Elite players? Even then, the question states "In the future" yet everyone is crying and moaning that it is never coming, just like people cried and moaned about this and that after Horizons. Until someone manages to get a legitimate poll from every Elite player who is registered and has the game, there is no real telling what the percentage of people who are asking for them regularly is. Many of the casual players, or those who just try to avoid the 'content creator' drama will avoid the forums and youtube because it turns into an echo chamber of whoever can rally the most noise feel entitled.

So far as ship interiors, they were stated as not coming with Odyssey a while ago... everyone knew yet with release coming up everyone was still beating the drums of "we want X, we want Y" when the development plan was already set and they were approaching the release date. The way everyone is acting, Elite may as well be SC 2.0 because everyone wants every feature now then complain when there is a release that doesn't go smooth (which happened with Horizons to boot I might add and people complained just as they are now, yet the crowd on the forums is beating the 'Im just playing horizons as if it never had speedbumps because X, Y, Z' drums).

Give interiors time, they will come when they come and then everyone asking for them can complain to their hearts content it isnt what they wanted after they get them.
Granted, the poll is of limited validity. However, the discrepancy is large enough that there is the suggestion that there is some merit that needs to be teased out to ascertain the degree of the desire for interiors. A more controlled poll might be more illuminating, but it seems clear that there is a desire for ship interiors, whatever the actual degree might be.
 
Maybe FDEV should actually conduct some research, you know communicate, by polling a list of proposed features - Fully atmospheric worlds, ship interiors, EVA etc across the reddit, discord and forums and see what the the different areas of the community want. But they have never actually asked their own players what they would like :)
 
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Show me your poll that directly refutes this one. Obviously there are many things wrong with one poll, but it's better than your generic "My community" of forum white knights.
You know that social media sites such as YT rely on algorithms to feed you content they think you will like and as such, tend to feed you things that you will agree with. OAs videos go out to OAs fans and to people who like similar content and, as such, are very likely to have similar views. This is also compounded by fact that ask any player of any game if they want extra content and they pretty much all say yes.

If OA had published a poll before the Odyssey trailer and his poll has had the two options, "do you want space legs" or "do you want ship interiors" how do you think that poll would have gone?

You are putting to much weight to this poll and the vocal forum users who only make up a very small percentage of actual gamers, i think last time i saw any stats the average game specific forum had way under ten percent of the players using it so who knows exactly what the spread of players who want ship interiors really is, many of them probably never even thought about it or care one way of the other if they have.
 
Granted, the poll is of limited validity. However, the discrepancy is large enough that there is the suggestion that there is some merit that needs to be teased out to ascertain the degree of the desire for interiors. A more controlled poll might be more illuminating, but it seems clear that there is a desire for ship interiors, whatever the actual degree might be.

There has always been that desire, but a poll which has that many total votes is questionable at best. OA does a wide array of content from ED, MSFS, and other games that are in development and the like as with many other content creators who make polls, of those how many votes overlap each other? All in all it has been asked for, David himself mentioned it ages ago, and as I stated it will come when it comes. There is a difference between suggesting something and hounding it until those not with the 'loudest' group are sick to death of hearing about it over and over, and suggesting something and ensuring it pops up as needed to remind the developer what is asked. Either way, FDev will do as they see fit, and as I said too, they will come when they come and I am willing to bet it wont appease the crowd who have been most vocal about demanding them.
 
Maybe FDEV should actually conduct some research, you know communicate, by polling a list of proposed features - Fully atmospheric worlds, ship interiors, EVA etc across the reddit, discord and forums and see what the the different areas of the community want. But they have never actually asked their own players what they would like :)
I think they can get a good sense of it from a 5 minute glance at the forums!

Dunno, I can't think of many things I really like (films, games, books) that would have been improved by asking the internet what they wanted.
 
I think they can get a good sense of it from a 5 minute glance at the forums!

Dunno, I can't think of many things I really like (films, games, books) that would have been improved by asking the internet what they wanted.
Well, as someone who has been working in tech for about 6 years now across 2 different large companies (5 years as a BA/Product Owner, now as a software developer after a career direction change), every product that I have been a part of the build with takes into account market research and a huge part of that research is user testing and feedback, asking what they want. So yes, a lot of things can be improved by actually asking the users of these products what they actually want.
 
There are two reasons for no ship interiors:
1) Laziness/lack of creativity and effort.
2) Lack of skills

The very fact we get these threads and massive discussion shows how in demand ship interiors are. EVen though there are several forum whiteknights that will praise anything that FDEV say, I would say that large portion of the playerbase wants ship interiors. And a large portion of the space sim community would want ship interiors, SC is almost primarily popular because of interiors and they much more successful than Elite despite being barely a game. And whenever Elite and SC are in the same conversation, 99% of the time the first thing said is "But SC has ship interiors". And ship interiors would certainly have been preferred over 30 static plants that do nothing but sit there and you point a doodad at them to increase some meaningless rank that doesn't affect anything.

Therefore there is no argument that FDEV aren't making ship interiors because "The players don't want it", that is just demonstrably false by threads, polls and the wider space sim industry.

This leaves the two options above and it could honestly be either one because the only creative aspects in Odyssey are the cosmetic skins, nothing else is original or interesting, the settlements are detailed but nothing amazing and the exploration update is laughable, out of an entire galaxy we get 30 static plants that you can't interact with in any way.

After 7 years since the release the game has given us a barely functional powerplay, barely functional multiplayer, almost pointless fleet carriers, horizons which did provide a decent amount - the only decent additions outside of Horizons were thargoids and the mining update... and then Odyssey.


So FDEV are either too lazy to bother thinking up of decent gameplay features for ship interiors (of which there are many, just look at Pulsar or Star Wars Galaxies) or they don't have the capability. I think it's a mix of both.
I'd even go as far as to say, if a reputable content creator for ED held a poll asking whether cmdrs want ship interiors or not, 97% would probably say yes they would....



Oh wait
 
Well, as someone who has been working in tech for about 6 years now across 2 different large companies (5 years as a BA/Product Owner, now as a software developer after a career direction change), every product that I have been a part of the build with takes into account market research and a huge part of that research is user testing and feedback, asking what they want. So yes, a lot of things can be improved by actually asking the users of these products what they actually want.
In an ideal world I'm not sure the same thing applies to things like movies, games, books, music etc...

If you go and see a Martin Scorsese film you want to see a Martin Scorsese film not a film he was told to make by the denizens of a shopping mall in Pittsburgh. If you buy the latest album by your favourite band you want it to be their album not something assembled from answers to a questionnaire. I'd rather see Valve's HALF LIFE 3 than a game made from community requests.

BUT...

I'd agree ED is a different beast, mostly because it's a multiplayer community thing, partly because it's so huge and complicated I doubt ANYBODY understands how all of it works but also because I'm not even sure who is in creative control of ED! And it does sometimes feel like it's just a very pretty spreadsheet.
 
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