PvP Why PvP is broke and how to fix it

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No, there's no way I could hope you give a ffff.

I think we'll manage to make do without you just fine.

Zarek possesses hearts and minds and souls of his devoted henchmen. Not numbers related to grindy game mechanics that have been broken since 3.3 dropped (BGS) or broken forever (PP).

Also, at the moment he effectively controls whatever Open mode territory of DG2 he chooses. Listings in galmap are the illlusion of control. The ability to destroy your enemies, and keep them out of system or in solo/pg is actual control. As a henchman, I roam WP3 in open as I please. The same cannot be said of those who defy him.

Sorry fanatic, your idol does not control anything ingame and does not spend cc to control systems nor has factions affiliated to him. It does not exist as a power nor a faction. Rules of the game. Try again.
 
Sorry fanatic, your idol does not control anything ingame and does not spend cc to control systems nor has factions affiliated to him. It does not exist as a power nor a faction. Rules of the game. Try again.

Open your mind.

Zarek Null wields control over dozens, if not hundreds, of Pilots Federation members. Nothing happens in this game without them. Whether or not Zull's mob control something as pithy as territory is moot.
 
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Thanks, but I've got a pretty good understanding of the background simulation.

EDIT: [haha] I like how that document is dated 12/12/18. Do you know why that's hilarious, BGS wise?

What's hilarious is giving credit to someone who does not even have a faction. If you do understand the bgs, you wouldn't.

If you are referring to the changes in january, I clearly wrote "for starters". Not all the info in there is outdated.
 
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What's hilarious is giving credit to someone who does not even have a faction. If you do understand the bgs, you wouldn't.

If you are referring to the changes in january, I clearly wrote "for starters". Not all the info in there is outdated.

How about this? Let's post the name of your faction and see if Zull's mob will pay it a visit. See what your attitude then is?

As a friendly heads up I recall the Order of Mobius having a lot of trouble not too long ago and quite a few of those names are associated with Null.
 

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What's hilarious is giving credit to someone who does not even have a faction. If you do understand the bgs, you wouldn't.

If you are referring to the changes in january, I clearly wrote "for starters". Not all the info in there is outdated.

No, what's hilarious is your obvious obsession with trying to discredit Null, someone who has the respect of MANY people in Elite.
Who are you and why should we even care what you have to say?
 

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How about this? Let's post the name of your faction and see if Zull's mob will pay it a visit. See what your attitude then is?

As a friendly heads up I recall the Order of Mobius having a lot of trouble not too long ago and quite a few of those names are associated with Null.

No shortcuts - Play the game.
 
It's sad that some posters think one needs to play a specific way to really be playing. Nope, it's a game, and any activities one finds fun that are within the rules constitute a valid playstyle.

One of the nice things about elite is how many ways there are to enjoy it - I don't know why anyone would want to deny this. If someone wants to just strap on a VR headset and fly circles around cleve going "WOWEE!!", that's a completely valid playstyle too.

It's ironic that some posters think I have chosen my playstyle because I don't understand the BGS and/or powerplay. I actually chose it because I do understand them.

I understand the calculations behind command capital (which is more than most powerplayers can say).

I understand the debates between transaction vs. value contributions (and my favorite possibility - log(value)).

I understand state machines and transitions in general - and understand the ones implemented in the 3.2 BGS in particular.

All that stuff yadda yadda yadda. I spent all my noob time playing in exactly the manner suggested, gradually becoming not-noob.

It wasn't until I understood all of it that I realized how little fun I would have if I continued to play that manner. It was the process of "gettin' gud" that determined my current playstyle.

[And yes I'm aware some folks understand it all better than I do - I didn't need to become the Albert Einstein of BGS before I realized I found it boring.]
 
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It's sad that some posters think one needs to play a specific way to really be playing. Nope, it's a game, and any activities one finds fun that are within the rules constitute a valid playstyle.

One of the nice things about elite is how many ways there are to enjoy it - I don't know why anyone would want to deny this. If someone wants to just strap on a VR headset and fly circles around cleve going "WOWEE!!", that's a completely valid playstyle too.

It's ironic that some posters think I have chosen my playstyle because I don't understand the BGS and/or powerplay. I actually chose it because I do understand them.

I understand the calculations behind command capital (which is more than most powerplayers can say).

I understand the debates between transaction vs. value contributions (and my favorite possibility - log(value)).

I understand state machines and transitions in general - and understand the ones implemented in the 3.2 BGS in particular.

All that stuff yadda yadda yadda. I spent all my noob time playing in exactly the manner suggested, gradually becoming not-noob.

It wasn't until I understood all of it that I realized how little fun I would have if I continued to play that manner. It was the process of "gettin' gud" that determined my current playstyle.

[And yes I'm aware some folks understand it all better than I do - I didn't need to become the Albert Einstein of BGS before I realized I found it boring.]

:D

I do not really feel like twisting the knife further but.. You spent all that time and your idol has no territory? You really need to git gud.
 
awful lot of people get awfully defensive over the idea that given the option of playing socially without pewpew, people might actually take it. What's the matter, scared that you might have to admit that people don't actually want to willingly hang out with you? Quick, call them carebears or something, your right to impose yourself upon other people is under threat or something. Maybe trot out the whole thing about the majority of people playing in open - or are you worried that given the choice, people would take the option of having the social aspects of open without the adversarial parts?

Better throw around more terms like "carebear" or "sjw" to make it everyone else's fault that they don't want you around.
 

AP Birdman

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awful lot of people get awfully defensive over the idea that given the option of playing socially without pewpew, people might actually take it. What's the matter, scared that you might have to admit that people don't actually want to willingly hang out with you? Quick, call them carebears or something, your right to impose yourself upon other people is under threat or something. Maybe trot out the whole thing about the majority of people playing in open - or are you worried that given the choice, people would take the option of having the social aspects of open without the adversarial parts?

Better throw around more terms like "carebear" or "sjw" to make it everyone else's fault that they don't want you around.

How would you know how social gankers are? Have you been in any ganking squadrons? Because from what I've seen, the PvP community, including gankers, are the most social and organized groups of people in Elite.
We're not getting defensive because we enjoy the game as it is. You're the ones that keep making stupid posts, begging the devs to change the game into a hand holding simulator. We quite enjoy it the way it is.

Quick, you better throw around more terms like anti-social and sociopaths to get your point across that this game isn't catering to your hand holding play style and that it's the gankers fault that you're not having any fun.
 
PVP is broken because it is an unattached activity to the game. It makes no difference to the BGS, local factions, or Powerplay. It is only a drag on players, between time and money spent, whether a desired playstyle or unwanted attention.

To fix it...make it affect something...influence something...that has something tied to the game (other than costing all players involved time and credits).
 

AP Birdman

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PVP is broken because it is an unattached activity to the game. It makes no difference to the BGS, local factions, or Powerplay. It is only a drag on players, between time and money spent, whether a desired playstyle or unwanted attention.

To fix it...make it affect something...influence something...that has something tied to the game (other than costing all players involved time and credits).

I agree 100%.
 
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