PvP Why PvP is not popular in Elite Dangerous?

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Im saying that because you hurt yourself by using open and outfitting for defenses and PVP. You lose jump range, Cargo/passenger space in doing so. Which mean less missions, the chance of death against your opponents and so on.

Thats why Solo and Private is being used and PVP is a side show.

And yet they continue to balance and make changes based around PVP.

Like I said before, all Modules, Missions+++ and ships are based off PVP activities.

But the " PVP " we see is small because you have that mode option. And they are making changes to make changes. Its so easy to see.



Its still going to be Elite Dangerous. With a meaning for PVP.

You saying it, doesn't make it so. They certainly take PvP into account, the Heat Meta and the Combat Beta are testaments to that. But, you aren't taking into account the things they don't do. FD doesn't restrict what and where people can do stuff. They know people have many motivations, and they hope to cater to them all. The design decision about the Modes allows for people to choose their play style.

That isn't going to change. You have no evidence to support this claim. None. Just a distorted view, bent to fit your desires. Balance takes PvE in to account as much as PvP. That is obvious. Look at all of the decisions FD have made, preserving PvE-centric aspects of the game. It's obvious that PvP is a concern, but not the guiding principle.

Let's see, what function does a Mining laser/Lance have in PvP? What function does a ADS or surface scanner have in PvP? What function does a Passenger mission have in PvP? Adding difficulty to a PvE mission doesn't sound all of that PvP-ish to me. What possible use to PvP is the Dolphin, or the Orca? You may point out that peeps do PvP in them, but we all know that's for a laugh, not for success. What does the Thargoid story line have to do with PvP?

I'll reiterate: "When all you have is a hammer, all you see are nails." Giving PvP a meaning would be a good thing, but don;t expect them to bring this PvE temple down, just for the sake of PvP. Nothing in this game's history points in that direction.
 
Sorry, but that is the game...that is all there is. Your desire for PVP to matter is never going to happen...it can't. How will you stop the Xbone or PS4 players from undermining you? You will never be able to shoot them in the face. Why does this matter keep escaping you? Your fight is tilting at windmills...because of this huge problem, right here...

Laying groundwork? I thought that 3 years ago...and came to the Hotel California to discuss the problem of CG's. It isn't coming. All that is coming is better ways to multi-play the game...not shoot each other in the face.

The griefing and ganking it is. Ill be farming salt until its fixed. And posting nasty videos of people insulting me for basic gameplay mechanics.

Remember we're not the ones being toxic here. They are.

Go watch the DJ truthsayer gank on my youtube channel and watch him call me every name in the book. Seems fair huh.
 
Thats easy, almost all player groups have Xbox and ps4 divisions. Limit the modes to Open only and ALL CONSOLES have Meaningful PVP for player factions and powerplay.

See how easy that was?


Except that would be forcing all the players in Xbone and PS4 to pay extra for the experience! And ypu cannot personally be sure your group is going to participate on that platform...just cannot happen! Keep tilting Don...you will see the truth and enjoy your time in the game so much more.
 

Robert Maynard

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Players without premium platform access on the consoles can only play in Solo.

.... yet they paid in full for the complete game....
 
Like im insulted almost every time I come to these forums, reported for nothing and so on. Yeah I know its okay.

I actually seen a screenshot I cant post here of things people said to Harry potter during the Salome Event. They called him racist names, and all sorts of things.

Ive only come across like 2 pvpers that have ever done that to me. But the rest of the community is very toxic when it comes to PVP. And thats what I am trying to change. Because its very much part of this game. It has no definition because objectives can be taken in the modes. So all we have is "griefing and ganking". And if you all want to continue to fight against this. Then thats all you guys will have in this game.

And if you guys are happy with the salt and griefing and ganking. Then continue to fight against it.

The Martyr Syndrome. I'm not buying it. I've been insulted brutally for sticking up for the Mobius Groups, and PvE along the way. PvPers aren't free from sinning. That argument holds absolutely no merit.
 
You saying it, doesn't make it so. They certainly take PvP into account, the Heat Meta and the Combat Beta are testaments to that. But, you aren't taking into account the things they don't do. FD doesn't restrict what and where people can do stuff. They know people have many motivations, and they hope to cater to them all. The design decision about the Modes allows for people to choose their play style.

That isn't going to change. You have no evidence to support this claim. None. Just a distorted view, bent to fit your desires. Balance takes PvE in to account as much as PvP. That is obvious. Look at all of the decisions FD have made, preserving PvE-centric aspects of the game. It's obvious that PvP is a concern, but not the guiding principle.

Let's see, what function does a Mining laser/Lance have in PvP? What function does a ADS or surface scanner have in PvP? What function does a Passenger mission have in PvP? Adding difficulty to a PvE mission doesn't sound all of that PvP-ish to me. What possible use to PvP is the Dolphin, or the Orca? You may point out that peeps do PvP in them, but we all know that's for a laugh, not for success. What does the Thargoid story line have to do with PvP?

I'll reiterate: "When all you have is a hammer, all you see are nails." Giving PvP a meaning would be a good thing, but don;t expect them to bring this PvE temple down, just for the sake of PvP. Nothing in this game's history points in that direction.

Guess we will see what these beyond changes bring us. Tell you what if they dont fix it. Ill delete my account and uninstall Elite if they dont fix it. Ill do it live on stream and you'll never have to worry about me again.

Because to be honest there would be no other reason for me to stay in this game. If they ruin Fleets. Im out.

Im better off spending my time else where.
 
Players without premium platform access on the consoles can only play in Solo.

.... yet they paid in full for the complete game....

Thats like saying someone is complaining they cant play online for Call of Duty because they didnt pay for premium. Thats their problem. They knew that buying the console. Elite is not special.

They get to play single player like everyone else that dont have premium.

Give me some more excuses.
 
My experience says otherwise. Sorry!

Your 'experience' equates to the square root of frak all to be honest, the modes are here to stay, Frontier isn't going to nerf the game for the majority of players to suit the minority, simple as that. All those guys and gals that have been told to get to PG and solo by some PVP advocates because their internet sucks, because they are carebears, because they didn't 'git gud' aren't now going to settle for you and others now telling them they must accept 50%, 75%, 90% of the game they paid as much as you for. Frontier isn't going to refund thousands of people because you have some insane idea in your head that you are going to be able to solve this game with guns alone.

No, It doesn't matter if you were bloody lead developer on WoW, EvE or Pokemon Go, you can't take any percentage of peoples game from them, neither will Frontier, you can't instance cross platform, you can't instance 24/7, you can't win PVE wars with pew pew and you can't ask the very same people who were told to 'get out of open' to drop a percentage of Elite D because you wanna shoot stuff.
 
Guess we will see what these beyond changes bring us. Tell you what if they dont fix it. Ill delete my account and uninstall Elite if they dont fix it. Ill do it live on stream and you'll never have to worry about me again.

Because to be honest there would be no other reason for me to stay in this game. If they ruin Fleets. Im out.

Whatever. 5 minutes later you’ll be forgotten.

Word of advice: you may not be as important as you appear to think you are.
 

Robert Maynard

Volunteer Moderator
you know, so does anyone who gets COD or GTA or anything like that, but I doubt players playing the single player game without xbox life or PSN+ can influence multiplayer matches or rankings.

Yet, unlike those games, this game is advertised as offering *every* player the opportunity to both experience and affect the economic and political aspects of the game - regardless of game mode.
 
Thats like saying someone is complaining they cant play online for Call of Duty because they didnt pay for premium. Thats their problem. They knew that buying the console. Elite is not special.

They get to play single player like everyone else that dont have premium.

Give me some more excuses.

It’s not an excuse, it’s reality. Non-premium Xbox/PS4 players can only play in Solo, but they still get access to the full content, ie BGS influence.

You don’t like that, but that’s your problem.
 
Guess we will see what these beyond changes bring us. Tell you what if they dont fix it. Ill delete my account and uninstall Elite if they dont fix it. Ill do it live on stream and you'll never have to worry about me again.

Because to be honest there would be no other reason for me to stay in this game. If they ruin Fleets. Im out.

Im better off spending my time else where.

With all of the bloviating you spout, I don;t care if you play or not. I'm betting on FD seeing the issues clearly, and acting accourdingly. And, if you think they will be doing a 180 deg turn, just to maintain a few extremist's accounts, you aren't learning from history.
 
That simply is not true.

It’s quite the oposite. The modules killed PvP in ED.
In the beginning, you could smack on a A shield, some mil armor and a full set of MC and be ready for PvP.
You could bounty hunt, trade or run missions and be ready.
Then FD introduced the SCB. Some players filled the ship with them and the old builds were no longer ready for PvP.
The meta was born. Those that had other things to do were exculuded.

PvP became a side show.

It’s a shame really. It didn’t have to be this way.
 

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Players without premium platform access on the consoles can only play in Solo.

.... yet they paid in full for the complete game....

Basically this. People accuse consoles of a lot.

But the only irrefutable thing we can say is, due to how the game was marketed on release...

Basically, it's too late for FD to slap an "Xbox Live Gold membership required" sticker on the game.

The ship has sailed.

Or would you like to see that precious development money coffer emptied by refunds?
 
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