Winter 2023 DLC Speculation

I had an early morning training session today for my new job, and thanks to staying up waiting for an announcement I got 4 hours sleep. I’m in that perfect sleep deprivation zone where I feel very ✨personable and productive✨.

If I do it again tonight I will be a useless cranky lump tomorrow, so please let today be announcement day! 🤣
 
Guys OMG i just discovered that the blackbuck is becoming an invasive species in some parts of My country. I didn't even know there were feral populations here. Now i NEED to see one in the wild.

I'm torn though. Is one of my favorite antelopes but I usually don't want invasive species in the game. I guess it is still important for India, just as much as wild boar and red deer are to Europe (those are also invasive here) so maybe is still fine wanting it for my zoos..
 
Golden monkeys are back at the center of the conversation! Well, since this is an English forum and not Chinese, I think some of the reasons are obvious. With regard to the golden monkey, which is the representative of China, I can take responsibility for this statement. In fact, I think that what animals each person wants, to a large extent, can only represent him. As to what a region wants, that can only be done by bringing together a large number of people from that region to vote.
 
a few have decided to play my game, thank you
Where are blackbucks becoming invasive?
I was taking about reptiles the other day, I’ve seen talks about highland ungulates, now let’s talk about felines.
The sand cat was one of the only animals I wanted in the arid dlc, I don’t believe a lot of you were excited for. I have had an interest in adding more small cats considering our roster of big cats. Il always welcome big cats but I personally want some smaller cats to join the prowl.
Last night on some Netflix series, I watched a fishing cat fishing, had me thinking: maybe there can be an enrichment for shallow water fishing?
 
Well yeah I'm greedy like that 😅

I remember watching an Attenborough documentary when I was a kid. It was about SA and this one episode focused on the monkeys. All these different species of monkey that lived together at different levels of the canopy. And it blew my wee little mind to learn that not only do the moneys have languages, different squeaks and chirrups that were vocabulary for different foods, predator threats and social interactions, but also the different species of monkey could understand each other! So a tamarin would say "eagle!" And they'd all dash down to the floor, and a marmoset would say "jaguar!" And they'd all run up to the tree tops. They even found instances of monkeys lying! One would find some good fruit, dash somewhere else, yell "yum tasty fruit!" Then sneak back to their bounty while the others went to look for the invisible fruit!

That's why we need multiple species of SA monkey, stat
That's awesome.
I heard that each orca pod has its own language/dialect. I think it's amazing
 
Guys OMG i just discovered that the blackbuck is becoming an invasive species in some parts of My country. I didn't even know there were feral populations here. Now i NEED to see one in the wild.

I'm torn though. Is one of my favorite antelopes but I usually don't want invasive species in the game. I guess it is still important for India, just as much as wild boar and red deer are to Europe (those are also invasive here) so maybe is still fine wanting it for my zoos..
Well, red fox is invasive, dromedaries are invasive, there are feral emus and ostriches in Texas, apparently. Just saying the game has tons of invasive species, so not wanting the wild boar or blackbuck is silly, even though I understand the sentiment
 
Yeah they aren't so bad in the wild when I think about it. I think it was my first trip to florida years ago (to Disney world of course) and saw this pretty big fuzzy spider, a tarantula I assume. Didn't even flinch at the idea of it at the time. But all those spiders or roaches inside houses, big NOPE from me.
Im fine with bugs when they are in the wild im even fine holding them but the second they are in my personal space without permission they become a living nightmare.
Last year's winter cycle wasn't fully updated until late January with the December patch being rather small. I can't see why that eliminates the idea of a later December release.
What if on the pack release there is a game breaking bug that lock players out of their zoos or games if they leave the pack till right before everyone leaves the office and this happens people wont be able to play the game till january which would be a pr nightmare for frontier.
There was a whole battle with it. It’s only found in captivity in China and nowhere else. It would be virtually useless to anyone that wants to be realistic, but for some reason, some people still want it.
What about the people building zoos in china. You cant just claim an animal is unrealistic when it is a staple in zoos of a particular region fine if its not in zoos at all or only in a few zoos in a narrow region but if its common in china it is an important part of building a chinese zoo an is not an unrealistic choice.
When realistic means simply Europe then you know how crappy argument is.
This is a perfect summary of half the arguments about animal choices
That's why I gave up my stance on the whole realism argument, it's incredibly biased to europe and north america and at times, oceania. South America, Asia and Africa are completely forgotten, as if there are zero zoos in these continents. Sure certain animals would be preferable for certain zoos being built in europe, but claiming the likes of the brown throated sloth is unrealistic is ridiculous.
Yeah the majority of the english speaking world and the majority of zoos are in europe and north america so this forum has a very big bias towards them. oceania tends to be able to defend its additions hence not that much outrage against the quokka but the rest of the world has zoos, and alot of them yet people always claim animals from these regions are not realistic because they have such a western centric mindset which annoys me to no end.
I don't think its wrong to not want an animal because you wouldn't use it. I really don't want another Asian monkey with a minimal and concentrated presence because it breaks the immersion for me when I'm building realistic parks. That's not to say I don't want these animals for others, I just don't want them personally.
What I dont understand is how an animal being in the game breaks immersion if you dont like it dont use it no one is forcing it into your parks.
The realism centric people being hypocrites ? No that can't be...
Then they always try to back track and defend their hypocrisy
No, seriously as a realism centric person, I'd rather get no monkey than the GSNM. It would be another another I scroll past quickly in the zoopedia (ex: Himalayan brown bear) 😂

My logic is it takes an asian monkey spot. I personally would like a langur. Francois's or gray, just give me a langur plz And the likely of getting both is low soooo.

But if you want that GSNM, I don't care. Just don't give Frontier ideas
by "realism you mean europe and north american focused" dont confuse realistic western zoo animals with what is realistic globally and dont you dare bring up the EAZA a heavily biased dataset to defend you.
But it hasn't been brought up for a spot as an icon for China, its main purpose that people on here have wanted it is just to cause a riot between it and the baboon. Not once have I seen anyone say on here that they want it because its an icon to China, I've heard them say its in Asia zoos, but I've never heard someone want it because its an icon to china.
I have seen is at least one chinese person campaigning for it and saying its iconic but shockers its an english forum not many chinese people to debate with also it wont replace the baboon that idea is ridiculous another asian monkey like a macaque maybe but if they are planning a baboon it will be a baboon.
 
Well, red fox is invasive, dromedaries are invasive, there are feral emus and ostriches in Texas, apparently. Just saying the game has tons of invasive species, so not wanting the wild boar or blackbuck is silly, even though I understand the sentiment
yeah for me the red fox, fallow deer and dromedary camel will always be tainted but they are still useful animals to others. My real problem with invasive animals is the inconsistent continent labels the monarch butterfly is not native to oceania yet it is labelled as such if that includes the invasive range why dont other animals
 
I think the muricans want to complete their backyard roster. That's why the white tailed deer gets mentioned so often as well.
Oh no, no, no, no, no. As an American, Twilight is my least favorite pack. No white-tailed deer, please! I'm basic, give me mostly animals between the tropics of Cancer and Capricorn and I'm happy.
 
Oh no, no, no, no, no. As an American, Twilight is my least favorite pack. No white-tailed deer, please! I'm basic, give me mostly animals between the tropics of Cancer and Capricorn and I'm happy.
so the white tailed deer its found in both tropics

In all seriousness I loved twilight as someone who has no exposure to most of those animals I love the raccoon and skunk. I do also hate the tropical biome so I dont want anymore animals from there even though it is needed.
 
yeah for me the red fox, fallow deer and dromedary camel will always be tainted but they are still useful animals to others. My real problem with invasive animals is the inconsistent continent labels the monarch butterfly is not native to oceania yet it is labelled as such if that includes the invasive range why dont other animals
That's what I find odd. Just because an animal is invasive in one place doesn't make it bad elsewhere. I mean, animals that we consider amazing are invasive elsewhere while animals that others consider amazing we consider invasive. It just seems kinda pointless the whole idea in general
 
That's awesome.
I heard that each orca pod has its own language/dialect. I think it's amazing
Having worked with orca researchers and hearing their vocalization via hydrophones here’s what I can tell you
Think of it like this: your family may have some sayings that may be well known to your family that another family wouldn’t get. Each pod has a different dialect, orcas live in matriarchal society’s, when a “super pod” comprised of 2 pods is formed the orcas all make their vocalizations, if the orcas sense any similarities with another orca it could mean that that orca was sired by a member of this other pod, therefore those 2 will not breed. Once this super pods business is complete the pods go their seperate ways and the males who went to perform breeding go right back to take their place by their leaders side.
My familiarity is only of the orcas of Pacific NorthWest and Alaska as opposed to the Atlantic and antartica orcas ftr. The different echo types not only have different diets but also are genetically different like a chimp is to an orangutan. The echo types have a language examples: the fish only eaters known as the Resident pods who have many memebers:
like a family cook out or fisherman playing music having a good time. Marine mammals know this and i have seen porpoises fearlessly swimming around the pod. The meat eaters aka the Transient orcas who travel in small pods: are quite, split up unless hunting larger prey, act like hunters at all times
The echo types keep to themselves and don’t interbreed.
The shark eaters are still being studied and other types I don’t have any resource to contribute. Scientists are learning more about these creatures albeit long and difficultly.
I think we humans know more about the surface of the moon then the ocean
 
What I dont understand is how an animal being in the game breaks immersion if you dont like it dont use it no one is forcing it into your parks.
I know that. That's why I don't use those species! I was making a joke about them having to see them in the Zoopedia, I honestly don't care. The last thing I want to do is invalidate others' wishes and it's never my intention.
by "realism you mean europe and north american focused" dont confuse realistic western zoo animals with what is realistic globally and dont you dare bring up the EAZA a heavily biased dataset to defend you.
Well, yes. I didn't confuse anything. I know the world doesn't revolve around Western society. It's not like I have anything against non-Western zoos, I thoroughly enjoyed the ones I've been to. I just didn't add a couple extra words.

But I live in the U.S., so I get my inspiration from the zoos I have first experience seeing. But just like everyone else I have the most first-hand experience with the species kept in zoos in my country. Gathering real-life information from these parks and the way they are set up and then building parks inspired by them is the most fun to me, and the way I enjoy playing the game. I'm not going to advocate for animals that don't interest me; I don't think that's wrong.

I'm not saying my way of wanting animals is the correct way because there obviously is not a correct way. Again, the last thing I want to do is invalidate others' wishes. If it ever comes off that way, I can assure you I'm not being serious.
 
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