Winter 2023 DLC Speculation

Goats, Pigs, Cattle, Chicken, Sheep, Goose, Duck, Bunny, Pony, Donkey and Guinea Pigs are just as much ABC animals like tigers, elephants and gorillas and are easily easily the highest profile animals not in the game yet.
But things like goats cattle and sheep aren’t zoo animals, they’re farm animals. Nobody goes to a zoo to see goats, you don’t learn about zoos when you’re growing up by seeing pictures of goats in zoos, so while it’s realistic for them to be in petting zoos, I don’t think its fair to say they’re at the same title as wild animals in zoos like lions and tigers. They both are well known, but they’re not both known for being in zoos, ones a farm ones a zoo.
 
But things like goats cattle and sheep aren’t zoo animals, they’re farm animals. Nobody goes to a zoo to see goats, you don’t learn about zoos when you’re growing up by seeing pictures of goats in zoos, so while it’s realistic for them to be in petting zoos, I don’t think its fair to say they’re at the same title as wild animals in zoos like lions and tigers. They both are well known, but they’re not both known for being in zoos, ones a farm ones a zoo.
Who decides that?
What is a zoo animal and what isnt?
I say the only objective measurement is if that animal is kept in zoos
So are these kept in zoos? YES
Yes they are, in plenty even, allmost all, among the most common ZOO animals
So pls everyone stop saying they are not
 
Who decides that?
What is a zoo animal and what isnt?
I say the only objective measurement is if that animal is kept in zoos
So are these kept in zoos? YES
Yes they are, in plenty even, allmost all, among the most common ZOO animals
So pls everyone stop saying they are not
You didn’t really get my point, I know they are in zoos, but they are not known for being in zoos. Everyone goes to the zoo for lions and tigers and elephants etc all the wild animals, the petting zoo animals are a big extension onto the zoo, because if people went to the zoo to just see farm animals they may as well just go to a farm.

In your childhood you grow up learning about the zoo having wild animals in it like monkeys and lions, petting zoo animals are there, but they are not one of the main attractions normally, just something to entertain children.
 
1. No it literally means some people want domestics and some people do not. People who dont care literally do not care

2. Yeah its an objective fact that zoos keep domestics and that they do it with pride so anybody claiming they dont belong in a zoo is flat out wrong. Its also not "lifestock" thats desired but domestic breeds with the big difference being that no one actually wants the industrial lifestock but those breeds kept and taken care of in zoos. Theres also not a devide on what breeds, if anything lots of missinformation or simply people not caring. And like with most things just sticking with whats most common in zoos is the easy solution because those make the realism builders happy and most likly have a good reason for being common in zoos. Animals arnt held in 50+ zoos just because.

3. Duh different people have different preferences, shocker i know. Ofcourse we cant have every animal in the game that exists but then even more so there can be actual arguments made for animals and the whole thing of petting zoos are the last part of any zoo that we cannot build for that works within the current limitations of the game aka no fully aquatics and no flying birds there really shouldnt even a debate about it. Goats, Pigs, Cattle, Chicken, Sheep, Goose, Duck, Bunny, Pony, Donkey and Guinea Pigs are just as much ABC animals like tigers, elephants and gorillas and are easily easily the highest profile animals not in the game yet.
This isnt made better when the people arguing against them either have no counter arguments, nonesensical arguments or my favorite, making up "facts" that in fact are just a mix of their own opinion and flat out lying.
Theres a point when people should wait a moment and think, where they realise that "but idk i kinda dont like them" is not a valid point in a discussion.
If thats your opinion fine, you can have it, but your personal opinion really isnt an argument, especally when common sense and the entirety of reddit exist to prove that there are way more people out there who would absolutly love what you dislike
Excuse me,do you mean that these "Goats, Pigs, Cattle, Chicken, Sheep, Goose, Duck" you are talking about are as attractive as tigers, elephants, and orangutans? Seriously, this is the most incomprehensible point of view I've ever heard, and frankly, it's ridiculous. Another point is that when some people don't want these things and express their opinions, you can disagree, but there is no need to associate them with any "lies". As I always say, people have the right to freely express their needs. You can certainly disagree with them, but associating these opinions with "lies" turns a simple discussion into a boring game of either/or. Finally, the opinions of any online platform are just opinions, whether it is this community, or FB, TW, Tik Tok, YTB, Reddit. They are all online platforms. If you think the views of this community are incomplete and narrow, other platforms are more convincing. Then I can also think that Reddit is not comprehensive and narrow, and other platforms are more convincing. Each platform can only represent some people, and your example is really unconvincing.
 
Excuse me,do you mean that these "Goats, Pigs, Cattle, Chicken, Sheep, Goose, Duck" you are talking about are as attractive as tigers, elephants, and orangutans?
Exactly. Maybe in general these animals are side by side in popularity but in a zoo setting the bar is not even close. Farm animals are not the stars of zoos, their soul purpose is to entertain children, and that’s really it.
 
Excuse me,do you mean that these "Goats, Pigs, Cattle, Chicken, Sheep, Goose, Duck" you are talking about are as attractive as tigers, elephants, and orangutans? Seriously, this is the most incomprehensible point of view I've ever heard, and frankly, it's ridiculous. Another point is that when some people don't want these things and express their opinions, you can disagree, but there is no need to associate them with any "lies". As I always say, people have the right to freely express their needs. You can certainly disagree with them, but associating these opinions with "lies" turns a simple discussion into a boring game of either/or. Finally, the opinions of any online platform are just opinions, whether it is this community, or FB, TW, Tik Tok, YTB, Reddit. They are all online platforms. If you think the views of this community are incomplete and narrow, other platforms are more convincing. Then I can also think that Reddit is not comprehensive and narrow, and other platforms are more convincing. Each platform can only represent some people, and your example is really unconvincing.
Nutrit flat out lied, noway around that quoting a quote that doesnt exist from a source that states the opposite.
Anyways we arnt suppoused to discuss any people here so id rather drop the topic of that but regarding the animals i say yes they are ABC animals
ABC animals are animals everyone and their mom knows and those defenetly are some and if your a kid from a city i bet a cow is just as unique and special as a tiger, maybe even more cause your actually allowed to touch the cow
 
Lots of families with kids do
But nobody goes to the zoo to just see goats, they pick out lots of animals wild or not to see, and zoos main reputations come from animals that are exotic and unique. That’s one of the reasons why people go to different zoos. For the enjoyment of course but also to see different animals than their local zoo may not have. And I would think those animals people want to see from different zoos are not farm animals.
 
But nobody goes to the zoo to just see goats, they pick out lots of animals wild or not to see, and zoos main reputations come from animals that are exotic and unique. That’s one of the reasons why people go to different zoos. For the enjoyment of course but also to see different animals than their local zoo may not have. I guarantee those animals people want to see from different zoos are not farm animals.
No one goes to the zoo to see 99% of animals in the zoo in perticular.
Most people dont even know what animals a zoo has before going
 
Older players who left the game likely is not the target for Frontier. Players who left likely did not like the core gameplay which very little will ever change about that, in comparison new players are more likely to buy more dlc packs if the game is fun initially, any sort of pack that draws from the casual audience is important to maintain a healthy player base.
I really do not see that a farm pack will bring a lot of new players to the game.
 
Regarding EAZA's position, I posted some screenshots. As for how everyone understands these contents, it is personal freedom.
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Also, I'm attaching two files.
https://www.eaza.net/assets/Uploads/Strategies/Strategic-plan-2017-2020.pdf
 
But nobody goes to the zoo to just see goats, they pick out lots of animals wild or not to see, and zoos main reputations come from animals that are exotic and unique. That’s one of the reasons why people go to different zoos. For the enjoyment of course but also to see different animals than their local zoo may not have. And I would think those animals people want to see from different zoos are not farm animals.
I remember back in the day when i was at the zoo with my family, my sister tried to hurry up and skip everything just to get to the guinea pigs in the petting zoo.
Petting zoos are not targeted at adults, they are specificly made to appeal to children
 
Cool, doesnt matter though to the discussion.
Someone allready tried that stick today and somebody else went through the EAZA doccuments they send and found multiple instances clearly stating that domestics have value as a part of EAZA zoos both in the present and future.
Also what are you trying to achieve with this?
We all know what the EAZA is and i really does not matter to the discussion, what matters is that domestics like it or not, are zoo animals and deserve to be in the game AND have gigantic market appeal, no matter what some people personally think of them.
Not everyone needs to like them, i get not liking them, but saying they dont belong is just flat out wrong
 
As I have probably said 3 times before, the forum greatly underestimates how popular cute domestic animals are. People who don't understand the appeal of a domestic pack of course won't see how new players would come to the game.
Thats not my Point. You can have 70 per Cent of Players which really hardly Wish this Pack and 30 per Cent of Players which would skip it. At the end you will lose 30 per Cent of Money and I do Not think that there is a huge amount of Players coming to the Game Just because of this Pack. Such a Pack could have worked 2 years ago but Not now anymore.
 
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