I respect that. Personally speaking I don't tend to use the desert biome all that much - as a low-budget builder most of my desert animals wind up in scrub-like habitats instead of sandy ones anyway (and the bigger animals just wind up in the same habitats as other herbivores/carnivores, with grass and trees and such).
Winter DLC Speculation
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I don't think it warrants its own thread, but thoughts on manatees? I've heard that Frontier said early in the game's lifespan that cetaceans with not be added to the game. Are there any manatees in European zoos? I haven't heard of any that have them. I think Frontier would be able to implement the mechanics, it's more of the ethical side behind it.
But manatees aren't cetaceans. According to many here they are common in zoos and aquatic parks, although I haven't seen them myself.
I'm not against the manatee, but in my opinion it'd feel very out of place in the game unless we have a sea life DLC, with sea otters, rays, sharks, etc
I'm not against the manatee, but in my opinion it'd feel very out of place in the game unless we have a sea life DLC, with sea otters, rays, sharks, etc
I don't think Frontier has ever said it, it's just been the general assumption because of the controversey around keeping cetaceans in captivity. The controversey itself would hurt their brand, as times have changed since Zoo Tycoon had us filling zoos with baleen whales and giant squids.
Manatees should be okay though. They seem to do okay in captivity compared to dolphins and killer whales. Based on my reading the only cetacean that seems to function without major issue in zoos is the beluga whale, so that one might get a pass as well.
Can't remember Frontier saying anything about Cetaceans. There are Manatees in european Zoos and I'd love to see them in the Game
See, I'm all for the manatee and sea otter, but I really don't see the appeal of sharks and rays in this game.
I only want fish as exhibit animals, and even then only if they figure out a way to put multiple species in one exhibit (it would be cool to have a big coral reef tank in an Australia House; IIRC Fort Worth Zoo did something like that in Texas, right?)
But wouldn't it be cool to have something like a Arapaima in a Rainforest House? Or Cichlids sharing a Tank with Hippos (this one's probably less likely but it would be cool)
I already have Seen manatees in Nuremberg, Germany
I dunno how it is in New Zealand, but many aquatic areas I've been to in Texas have sharks and rays. Houston Zoo had them until they closed the aquarium; but we're getting more when they open the Galapagos next year.
Downtown Houston Aquarium has sharks and rays.
Moody Gardens, in Galveston, TX, has sharks and rays as well. I may be a bit biased I'm a sense, but to me an aquatic section would be incomplete without sharks and rays.
(I'm not talking about huge oceanic sharks and manta rays. I'm talking about smaller species, like nurse sharks and small stingrays/skates)
Never been to Fort Worth. I went to Dallas 1 time to catch a flight to Chile, but I never wanna go back to that city
Now that i think, something like a Aquatic life would be the best thing to see in the game. Now considering the possible species and oportunities with a pack like this would be so big. I always thinked that aviaries should come first, because they are too iconical to not include them, but i have been today in Oceanográfic Valencia, and i can say that marine and river animals are very awesome, specially the belugas, possibly the only cetacean that can come in the game. If one day a pack like this is announced everyone would be very surprised... "Aquatic Life Expansion Pack"... that sounds very incredible. For my case i would select a variety of fishes and various animals from freshwater, cold and warm waters, always counting with their possibilities, but maybye this is the less possible pack because of it complex animals. But here my personal selection:
Beluga: Maybye the only cetacean that can really be coming to the game. Too iconical to leave it from the game
Walrus: The last Pinniped representation, and a very requested one
West Indian Manatee: Very beautiful species and very unique for every aquariums
Green Sea Turtle: A classic one, the first marine reptile of the game
Sea Otter: Zoo tycoon 2 nostalgia, and a must for the otters family
SALTWATER FISHES
Here is impossible to guess which fishes can come, but some Sharks like hammerheads and bulls, rays like the cownose and a variety of coral fishes
FRESHWATER FISHES
Here happens the same with saltwater, but a must for me would be the arapaima. Some african cichlids and various freshwater and swamp fishes would do a very excellent selection
Beluga: Maybye the only cetacean that can really be coming to the game. Too iconical to leave it from the game
Walrus: The last Pinniped representation, and a very requested one
West Indian Manatee: Very beautiful species and very unique for every aquariums
Green Sea Turtle: A classic one, the first marine reptile of the game
Sea Otter: Zoo tycoon 2 nostalgia, and a must for the otters family
SALTWATER FISHES
Here is impossible to guess which fishes can come, but some Sharks like hammerheads and bulls, rays like the cownose and a variety of coral fishes
FRESHWATER FISHES
Here happens the same with saltwater, but a must for me would be the arapaima. Some african cichlids and various freshwater and swamp fishes would do a very excellent selection
There are not many but some zoos across Europe keeping manatees: https://zootierliste.de/en/?klasse=1&ordnung=118&familie=11801&art=1140401
Piranhas and Electric Eels would be also really nice.
In my Opinion we also need the Pacific Giant Octopus and some Crustaceans would be also nice. Obviously not enough Space in one Pack for all of those but it would be really nice
Do they even breed in Captivity? I thought all of them are probably rescued Animals
Edit: turns out it is possible to breed them in Captivity
Off topic but I'd be interested in how or where you get this from.
I think the bottlenose dolphin is the one cetacean doing the best in captivity. It has the best breeding results of all the species and the lifespans are also higher than those of beluga whales or orcas, plus keeping is easier than e.g. beluga whales. Maybe it's my European point of view though.There's only one holder of beluga whales in Europe outside of Russia (which mostly are dubious facilities which catch their whales in the wild) and that's Valencia and they do have quite a bit of trouble with belugas like breeding only happened once and they do have to keep them indoors because they are too sensitive in terms of temperatures AFAIK. The bottlenose dolphins are much more robust and in the meantime are doing well in terms of lifespan and breeding. In addition, look at how many zoos in the EAZA keep bottlenose dolphins - 27, which is way more than belugas, orcas and even manatees.
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Also thought that Bottlenose Dolphins are probably equally easy to keep if not easier than Belugas
Wikipedia, mostly.
Mostly small fishes and aquatic amphibia in zoos, big fish in aquaria. The biggest fish in a zoo-zoo here is the giant kokopu, a native species, which Auckland Zoo keeps (or kept, it's been a while since I was there) in their night house. Oh, and the long-finned eel, but that doesn't require a huge aquarium.
Even with bigger fish though I'd rather they were exhibit animals. The arapaima being a good example. Give me a 12Lx4Hx4W exhibit box. I think the devs can probably do a tank background more justice than I can.
For certain fish, yeah, an aquarium similar to the current vivarium system would be ideal. Also for smaller sharks and skates and stingrays.
Ideally, eels, as you stated, would be fantastic. I also think jellyfish would be quite nice, too
The variant system they use in JWE2, where the same species can have various models could have been useful for this, as well as for the species with various subspecies. This way they could have saved some time on Zoopedia pages and easier implement more subspecies/domestics, without it feeling like they take spots from more unique animals.
Jellyfish would be neat, but they require a special tank that keeps the water moving at a constant cycle.
I'd love eels. For about eight months I was making plans to set up a tank for and import a pet blue-ribbon eel, but then the baby came and I downsized my animal collection rather than growing it (probably just as well - a ribbon eel is an ambitious step into the world of marine tanks). I remember the zebra moray at St Andrew's Aquarium though and it was in a pretty small tank quite comfortably.
Yeah, I heard about that. But that shouldn't be difficult to implement in the current exhibit setup. Just don't let the educators handle them
. I'd go with moon jellies: extremely common in zoos and the pet tradeWow, that sounds like it would've been really fun to have, but yes, family first, animals second. How does a mimic octopus sound? I'd love one but I have no experience with saltwater tanks, only tropical freshwater