Winter DLC Speculation

isn't the most likely DLC just a bird pack?
No. The only birds in super high demand are flying birds, which are probably all going to end up as exhibit animals, which is not the preferred method of implementation in the larger community. Although a few of us here are undoubtedly clamouring for more habitat birds, you'd be surprised by how little it comes up in other parts of the community.

Besides all that, there's no guarantee the walkthrough exhibit will see immediate use again in the next DLC.

All bets are off.
 
Again--isn't the most likely DLC just a bird pack? It's the obvious next step--a flying walkthrough-friendly bird like the lorikeet could put the walkthrough exhibit mechanic to better use, and it's pretty easy to come up with habitat birds from around the world reflecting community desires (secretary bird, emu, some kind of pelican, some kind of stork, etc.) Birds are also still the most glaring absence from the game as a whole--all of Aves currently has fewer representatives in Planet Zoo than Canidae alone. Seems more pressing than a second hyena.
The consensus seems to be that the pack will include birds but not be only birds. Of course we could all be wrong, Frontier is known to surprise.
 
Such a thing doesn't exist. In this case, it's not objective because:

By definition, whether a game is good or not can't be objective. Opinion is subjective, and is also the only criterion to determine whether a pack is "good" or not.

Not really. Every pack gets a "huge amount of love" when it's announced and after release, because it's new and flashy and moves stagnant water. All it tells us is that people wanted something new regardless of what it is.

Of course there are objective measurements if games are good or bad, for example the malayan tapir is pbjectivly a cheap reskin.
Every animal in the game can be rated on an objective scale mostly based on distinctness, how common they are in zoos and what roles they can fill in what places.
Ofcourse its subjective how much anyone actually likes it, but for example the eurasian lynx was objectivly a better inclusion over the iberian, as its much more wide spread in both range and how common they are in zoos, making them much more generally usefull then the very specific iberian lynx, which whould have been more usefull to have for a few people, but a clear minority of the player base.
On the same basis a bird would objectivly be better then a bear for example, as we have 5/8 bears + an extra brown bear, but just one more bird in general, making the need for birds much higher for a complete and round game experience.
Sure people can still like the missing bears better, but statistics and the goal of this game to offer a rather complete zoo building experience makes more birds nessecary, same for south american and oceanian animals.
In the same vein the twillight pack offerd 5 iconic animals that brought something new and unique to their ranges and biomes, while being unique from other animals in the game.
Where 3/5 animals being carnivorans a bit much? Yes, but in isolation all of them are a great addition and now that they are in the game it doesnt matter that they came in a bundle. All 5 animals enhance the game immensly and finally after 3 years small temperate low budget zoos have enough animals to choose from to have an 8 animal zoo that looks different from other 8 animal zoos of the same theme.
And thats a great thing imo, cause remember, NA and europe were just as neglected as australia and south america where and especally european areas are finally more then literally just 5 animals + make believe brownbears and beavers or arctic animals.
 
Upon reading all this discussion about NA and Europe getting supposedly too much attention when compared to South America and Oceania, I want to add my opinion:
It is very inspiring to see where Frontier got those two continents to over the last years.
That's why I firmly believe they can achieve the same for South America and Oceania. Therefore, I'd much ruther read and discuss about constructive and innovative ideas how we could help these two regions get to the same level as NA and Europe, who started in a similar state at the game's launch.
 
Do you want a cetacean dlc? me too!!
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In the same vein the twillight pack offerd 5 iconic animals that brought something new and unique to their ranges and biomes, while being unique from other animals in the game.
Where 3/5 animals being carnivorans a bit much? Yes, but in isolation all of them are a great addition and now that they are in the game it doesnt matter that they came in a bundle. All 5 animals enhance the game immensly and finally after 3 years small temperate low budget zoos have enough animals to choose from to have an 8 animal zoo that looks different from other 8 animal zoos of the same theme.
And thats a great thing imo, cause remember, NA and europe were just as neglected as australia and south america where and especally european areas are finally more then literally just 5 animals + make believe brownbears and beavers or arctic animals.
Again, the problem is not that they didn't bring anything to the game. The problem is that they were chosen over many many much more unique choices that could've been added in their place.


To take your bear vs. bird example, let's apply it to carnivoran vs. primate. There is a severe lack of primates in the game, and many families of nocturnal specialist primates, among them are the Aye-aye, Lorises, Galagos, Night Monkeys, and several non primate nocturnal spealists like the kiwi or kinkajou.

Do you really tell me that it was not a waste to include 3 temoerate carnivores who are not even fully nocturnal, and not a single species that covers some other ground? And as for your "objective" declaration that these animals bring a lot to the game, remember that european and north american animals tend to be contained to their respective regions when it comes to zoos, and are uncommon outside of it.

There's a reason a lot of the casual audience deemed europe as "boring" and "useless", statements I do not agree with, but are based on a realistic notion. To me, the only useful animal among the 3 carnivorans is the raccoon, as they are found in some places in my country.

So no, these are not "objective additions", as to sone people these are wasted and unuseable slots. Had Frontier chose just one more varied and unique pick over the skunk or fox, I'm sure a lot of people would be a lot happier with the pack.
 
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