Worrying trend...
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^ This is my hope.
If tomorrow DB made an announcement that the game was feature complete and he was off to spend his days on his newly purchased island in the Bahamas with his mistresses then I would be disgruntled... for multiples reasons. However, I'm expecting Frontier to continue to develop the core game over the coming months and even years (DLCs are a different ball game, I think, because if they mess the core game up everything fails). I've not seen anything from frontier to suggest that they are thinking otherwise. If all goes well I think the game will get there and become a really rich experience. The real question is whether existing and potential customers are along for the ride.
Genuine question as I only found out about ED when beta3 was available, bought it straight away and as far as I can see this IS modern Elite game.
Was there anything else specifically promised and not yet delivered (let's not talk about offline mode)?
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it is BETA and I for one am in it for the long haul as it is about the journey not the destination but there will be a vertical slice on release that we can role play around.
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So nothing to worry about except the corporate sock puppets on this forum.
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So nothing to worry about except the corporate sock puppets on this forum.
I disagree many games have fail overall this season, look at Assassin's Creed Unity, it was bad across every platform, FC4 and DA Inquisition needed some patching too, watch dogs was a bit of bait and switch with the graphics, is now a big trend on releasing unfinished games on the base "we'll patch it later" and ED is one these games.
I believe the only way this will be done is to implement refunds on games like it was any other product, that will get rid of the "we'll patch it latter" deal that has become almost the norm on games nowdays, yes a product might have defects, but when is just plain broken you should have the right to return it and not have to wait for a patch.
I think all devs in the world would love if everyone thought this way about software
I would love to be able to think this way, but thats not how the market works nowadays most of the time. And its not beta, we are in gamma, this is in normal development terms a feature complete RC. That means no more stuff added for release. Ofcourse there will be content patches later on though.
Not just new backers (well depending on how those are defined). I got in after KS but before alpha started. And while I knew this game wouldn't be complete at that time. I did expect more of what was initially promised for what they are calling release.
In two weeks this game is no longer pre-release anything. And asking people to accept the real game won't arrive for a while, requires a lot more information about what their plans actually are, than what we are currently getting.
So yeah. It seems a bit strange that there are people on the forum that can't understand why people are getting worried.
There is a Design Discussion Archive which goes in to considerable detail about all aspects of the game, excluding things that we knew were expansions. This was built up by interaction between the dev and very early backers. There have also been efforts by posters to maintain lists of possible features, marking off those that have been "confirmed" by a dev and those that are actually finished.
While it was never promised that these things would all make release or even be done at all, it did become the norm to refer people there to see what Elite was all about - and the dev never dissuaded this or suggested that those did not actually represent the product we should expect. Neither did they make an effort of their own to detail exactly what we should expect at launch other than in very vague terms. So many people built hopes for the game based on the best information they could find or be pointed to. Knowing that the devs could see them being directed there and were apparently comfortable with that.
So no that's not a promise, but's also not unreasonable behaviour on behalf of the players.
There's also a couple of fundamental expectations from the outside. One is that we weren't buying a modern remake of Elite, but a modern sequel to Elite - something with much more extensive features befitting a 2014 product which runs on vastly superior hardware, has an enormously higher budget, bigger team, etc.
Secondly, at heart, part of being a modern Elite game is being a modern game. When you release a full price game that does come with the expectation that it will be in a release worthy state and basically a good game.
Perspective. We live in an affluent free market society with CHOICES. It's a game, and some people need to develop a sense of perspective on life. If you don't like where the game has gone then don't treat it as some kind of religion that you've become disillusioned with. Just move on and cease with the trolling and the negativity.
A whole group of very talented people have worked their arses off for ages to produce something with a clear concept that's based on a long pedigree. I decided to take a punt on the Beta and certainly haven't been disappointed. Had I become 'anxious' and 'worried' I would have probably thought that it was time to give up gaming for a bit and work on my real life.
It's not that I don't understand why some people would be worried, but maybe they don't have children and responsibilities to get truely worried about.
Peace and Love out to all.
Or you could just read what the Kickstarter said and look at the marketing.
The DDF stuff may not have been "promises" as such. But you had to give an extra 100£ in the KS from just participating in the alpha. So one would think it was worth something. And the fact that the devs haven't really discussed this makes it very hard to know what to actually think.
I don't really see your issue Jeff.
If I go into any number of "Positive" threads I mainly see positive posts.
If I go into any number of "Negative" threads irregardless of if the OP is constructive or not get's dog piled to oblivion by what you can only term as fanboys, posters who will not take any criticism of FD or the game and are zealots in the main, you cannot have reasonable debate with them, it's like arguing if God exists or not with the clergy.
I could tell you the reason why you think there is this issue when there isn't but you won't like the reason ;P
If I go into any number of "Positive" threads I mainly see positive posts.
If I go into any number of "Negative" threads irregardless of if the OP is constructive or not get's dog piled to oblivion by what you can only term as fanboys, posters who will not take any criticism of FD or the game and are zealots in the main, you cannot have reasonable debate with them, it's like arguing if God exists or not with the clergy.
I could tell you the reason why you think there is this issue when there isn't but you won't like the reason ;P
Thank you for taking your time to answer my question.
So it boils down to missed expectations more than to broken promises, it seems, not that it makes those expectations not important mind you.
When buying beta without any research I was expecting more of a remake then a sequel so I was quite happy with what I got.
I did some research today on KS page and was under impression that most was indeed delivered.
Having said that I do understand people that backed 'sequel' expecting more than 30 years old Elite with better graphics, especially given crowd funded nature of project, where community is supposed to have input on what the final product will look like.
What I don't understand is how some people envision some kind of WoW clone in space - story/quest driven MMO that gives you starting newbie area, raids, BOSS battles, 'grinding' and so on - but I suppose people got those expectations from the interaction between the devs and backers that you mentioned.
In that case I think the devs should have been much more clear on what game IS ED going to be and what game IT IS NOT going to be...
Since we are not speaking about "the event". I think what is the main missing part is the "play with your friends" part.
Over 20 years, yes that's OVER TWENTY YEARS me an a lot of other people have been waiting for this game, and now its here and its amazing , the best part? its only going to get better.
For all those whining about this and that think about those of us that have waited decades for this game ,be patient and be thankful you can play it now.
"Genius is eternal patience." Michelangelo
For all those whining about this and that think about those of us that have waited decades for this game ,be patient and be thankful you can play it now.
"Genius is eternal patience." Michelangelo
There is a very simple and obvious example of PR miscommunication and Marketing misunderstanding from FD: If you look at all the trailers and promo videos they are mostly shown in 3rd person view. So as a prospect I am thinking oh great ED is having also 3rd person view. So FD is suggesting that there is a 3rd person view available. Such kind a simple issue can lead to some mislead expectations. There is a simple rule in communication: 'Its not important what person A is saying, its important what person B is understanding'
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Well, sad to admit, but that is something I did not check yet, as I couldn't persuade any of my friends to shell 60 euro on a clone of a 30 years old space sim...
I just saw 'Private group' (or similar) in main menu and assumed that it is developed already and that you can play with friends. If it is not yet implemented than it IS a HUGE letdown for all the players, especially in the light of recent ditching of the offline mode.
Comments like this are not helping. I don't mean to offend you but the way you write this comes of as blatant fanboyism and elitist to top it of. Just because some people have never played the old elite dosn't mean they have to be thankfull to get this game.
Its not just about playing with friends but playing with others in general. The game lacks the tools to properly group up and make social connections but is still marketed as multiplayer, mmo even.
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I can see the Ops point of view, and also like your point Kilvenny. I am new to ED but have been watching it's development and SC closely since release, didn't support the Kickstarter simple due to funds as studying at my girlfriends expense, so keeping costs down. I have brought ED a month ago (Mercenary edition) and had my first play last week, thought it was great and looking forward to the full release.
I think a lot of people who have been playing Alpha and Beta who now have negative feelings, need to realise their roll. They are basically testing and tuning game mechanics not new content, it will get boring, repetitive and frustrating! I guess crowd funding and thousands of beta testers is a relatively new concept, but I am quite sure it should produce superior games, once the concept is more mature. Saying that I/you cannot be sure what will come at full release only the Devs can, and I don't want to know...like seeing a preview for a film and seeing all the best bits.
You cannot please everyone!
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