Worst. Thing. Ever! (2.2 beta 7 system map

[Allitnil]

I simply fail to see what was wrong with 2.1 behavior for the sysmap overview. We fire an ADS, we get a basic thumbnail of each world, as if seen through a telescope - as you'd expect both given game lore AND reality.

I'll offer the counter argument even though I'm not in favour of this particular change.

We can tell a bit too much from just the ADS honk. The best example is that the current visual & audio clues allow us to know without scanning it whether a planet is a WW or ELW. And we know that, even if the planet might be directly on the opposite side of a neutron star and some 2,500 Ls distant. Or just on the opposite side of a standard star where the telescope explanation couldn't work. Or orbiting a secondary star over 300,000 Ls away. The ADS gives everything away.

If there is going to be a change then it needs to be something a lot more subtle. Something that gives some sort of clue as to what it might be and for additional clues to be available as we get closer. The surface scan is then just the final confirmation. We shouldn't necessarily know that it definitely is an ELW from the honk, but we should have some idea that it might be.

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While this was the original design for the scanners (fixing a separate issue has had a knock-on effect) the behaviour for the this view will return to its previous state. However you will need to have completed a surface scan to see the surface in the surface map, with no surface scan it will default to the sphere grid.

Michael

Thanks for quickly putting our fears to rest!

 

[Kenneth McGrew]

While this was the original design for the scanners (fixing a separate issue has had a knock-on effect) the behaviour for the this view will return to its previous state. However you will need to have completed a surface scan to see the surface in the surface map, with no surface scan it will default to the sphere grid.

Michael

[wink]

 

[Mysturji]

While this was the original design for the scanners (fixing a separate issue has had a knock-on effect) the behaviour for the this view will return to its previous state. However you will need to have completed a surface scan to see the surface in the surface map, with no surface scan it will default to the sphere grid.

Michael

Thank you Michael. That's how I (and probably nearly everyone) interpreted the original request.

 

[Genar-Hofoen]

While this was the original design for the scanners (fixing a separate issue has had a knock-on effect) the behaviour for the this view will return to its previous state. However you will need to have completed a surface scan to see the surface in the surface map, with no surface scan it will default to the sphere grid.

Michael

Thanks Michael.

I will add I don't see the point in hiding the surface map behind a DSS scan - maybe you can explain the mechanism behind how the detailed surface scanner can ascertain the surface map of the complete planet, just by scanning from one side of it

Regards o7

 

[CMDR Ahab]

Excellent, thanks for the clarification Michael

Hopefully this behaviour will also apply to planets with atmosphere once this starts to be implemented somewhere in season 3? Rhetorical question, don't worry.

 

[Sapporo]

This is the most feature ever.

 

[Muetdhiver]

This is the most feature ever.

Fully agree. Gating interesting gameplay (SRV racing/canyon racing and photo OP) behind timewall+simplitic (point&wait) != good game design

the narrow minded elitism shown by some is mind boggling.

 

[bitstorm]

I think there are arguments both ways here.

But for me I think I prefer that the planets are not revealed until the planet is scanned. (or you buy recon data etc....)

It's a toss up either way but I kinda feel having them all viewable takes something away from the exploration/discovery roles, and on balance I think this is a strong enough reason to go for hide until revealed.

Cheers Frontier.

 

[Zieman]

This is the most feature ever.

Fully agree. Gating interesting gameplay (SRV racing/canyon racing and photo OP) behind timewall+simplitic (point&wait) != good game design

the narrow minded elitism shown by some is mind boggling.

You should bother to read at least M. Brookes' clarification about the subject before posting your drivel.

 

[Kyokushin]

Its cool for me. More unknown to discover.

 

[moonsword]

I like the idea that you cannot see the planets if you have not scanned them.

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Its cool for me. More unknown to discover.

Exactly..

 

[Hagledesperado]

i can see the moon and other planets via a £20 telescope from argos, can i fit this into my cockpit please

The moon is the only body you can see any detail on, and that is only about 1.3 ls away. The basic ship scanner is better than this already.

 

[Muetdhiver]

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/175/315/PicardDoubleFacepalm-1.jpg
You should bother to read at least M. Brookes' clarification about the subject before posting your drivel.

I read it. Here is what I do : canyon racing and SRV racing. On moons.

There can be 40-50 moons in a given system. Being able to see the surface (i.e spot good craters / canyons) with the ADS was a great QoL change,
compared to having to fly over (2.1) / scan 40-50 of them (1h+) to find a prime spot (change we'll get).

And btw, many moons have to be scanned at less than 5ls, i.e. ~within view range, making the "feature" rather pointless.

The fact that you cannot understand this makes me facepalm.

 

[Sapporo]

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/175/315/PicardDoubleFacepalm-1.jpg
You should bother to read at least M. Brookes' clarification about the subject before posting your drivel.

Oh I saw. Absolutely don't care. You wanna kill exploration? Done. There we go.

 

[Genar-Hofoen]

I read it. Here is what I do : canyon racing and SRV racing. On moons.

There can be 40-50 moons in a given system. Being able to see the surface (i.e spot good craters / canyons) with the ADS was a great QoL change,
compared to having to fly over (2.1) / scan 40-50 of them (1h+) to find a prime spot (change we'll get).

And btw, many moons have to be scanned at less than 5ls, i.e. ~within view range, making the "feature" rather pointless.

The fact that you cannot understand this makes me facepalm.

It's not that they don't understand - they just don't care.

 

[Kerrash]

Clarification from Mike B: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...2-2-Update-7?p=4633071&viewfull=1#post4633071

 

[Genar-Hofoen]

Clarification from Mike B: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...2-2-Update-7?p=4633071&viewfull=1#post4633071

Already read it - it's still removing an originally-touted general QoL feature and bunging it behind a time-wall, rendering the feature pointless.

What's the point in having the 3D surface map at all if you need to get close enough for a DSS scan such that you only need to venture in a couple of seconds more to see the planet surface anyway?

 

[[VR] optimal_909]

This is essentially a game breaker for me. And I never thought FD could ever come close making me saying it.

Again the destructive force of a vocal minority here...

 

[Muetdhiver]

...Again the destructive force of a vocal minority here...

Indeed,

The making of Elite : Screensaver one brick at a time. So sad.

 

[roryclague]

Are these guys angry about the blacked out planetary icons in the system map? Because that is a bug and won't be in the release version. As has been pointed out numerous times in this thread. Some are angry that the detailed planetary map will only appear as a scan, but I'd hardly call that game breaking, after all, until 2.2 we didn't even have a detailed surface map.