Yamiks dropped the bomb.
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No, the way he expresses himself, he ISN'T worth listening to.
That's just an opinion. On the whole, I find Odyssey another great addition of things I can do in the game. But each to their own.
I've listened, in part, to a couple of The Yamiks' youtube videos, just didn't find his 'style' to my liking which meant that whatever point he was making was wasted on me - although I am not a part of his target audience, so no great surprise there.
I'm fine with everyone having their own opinions of the Odyssey DLC - I don't think there is a poster here who has, or had, Odyssey that wouldn't agree that there are performance issues (and bugs) with it - as for good or bad, that is a matter of opinion, I'm one of the ones who have been enjoying Odyssey content since alpha, and cussing over performance issues too, but playing it exclusively nonetheless.
I'm fine with everyone having their own opinions of the Odyssey DLC - I don't think there is a poster here who has, or had, Odyssey that wouldn't agree that there are performance issues (and bugs) with it - as for good or bad, that is a matter of opinion, I'm one of the ones who have been enjoying Odyssey content since alpha, and cussing over performance issues too, but playing it exclusively nonetheless.
Damn. I cant even edit properly without quotin myself.
I don't always agree on the "reasons" behind the choice, but the rest is true.
It's fairly obvious to anybody who have played some shooters in the past (or now) that the Odyssey mechanics are all over the place.
See, we have FPS and shooters for a very long time, and they are very popular. It's traditional to keep the core of it and expand on it. Especially when you are not a company specializing in FPS shooter like Fdev.
Instead, Fdev decided to reinvent the concept of shooters. Since they are obviously master of shooter games, thanks to their experience in tycoons, I guess. Meanwhile, they could have used games like Planetside 2, which is very close to what EDO wished to be for the shooter aspect. You have shields, triangle of combat, consumables and a variety of guns. And it's sci fi.
But instead they said "nah" and reinvented the wheels.
We have headshot in games (or weak point) to reward good aiming and skills. We don't in ED for half the opponent HP. It's incredibly bad. No shooter, not even RPG with shooter element like Fallout 3-NV-4 will do without headshots. It's a core part of any shooter.
We have a variety of weapons type in shooters so you always have a tool for the proper engagement, and according to the player "feel". I like SMG for close combat, and LMG for mid range combat. Bob's like shotgun and sniper rifle. Steve is more AR all around. Pro Tom is a 360 no scope sniper guy with a pistol sidearm. Weapons have roles and feel. The whole "switch" thing negate that. Forget using a SMG at close range, that guy have a shield. Forget using a sniper rifle at long range, the projectile takes up to 2 SECONDS travel time. Forget to use an AR at mid range, the guy have either a shield or not (whether you are using a laser or kin AR).
In planetside and games like battlefield, you have combined arms. Air, vehicles and infantry. And they all have ways to deal with each others. Grab C4, nuke a tank. grab a gun kill a dude, grab a locked on rocket launcher destroy a fighter, and so on. Got ganked by a plane and all you have is a gun ? Well, better gotta hide and run.
In EDO, who cares ? Combat triangle is only there because YOU do it, and it's "ship nuke people lol". Rocket launcher that say it's for vehicle is actually more for infantry.
Oh, and the inability to swap modules, and even have them "craft once use forever" is completely wrong in every single aspect. It's so wrong it's like the equivalent of cancer for shooter. Technically it's part of the shooter, but it's mutated cells that are harmful to the organism in general, and the best way to handle it is to destroy it before it spreads.
And finally you have the balance. The moment they announced plasma, I knew they'd rule the game. Switch guns or one gun do it all ? Guess which one is best.
I bought all the plasma guns day one. The AR is trash, the rest is best in slot. Good job Frontier ! Anybody else who played videogames that were not Elite 1984 saw that coming a mile away.
TL,DR : instead of using decades of collective experience from an incredible amount of shooters and RPG with shooter element, ED tried to "reinvent" the concept. There is no shame in copying another game for mechanics and expand upon it.
It's fairly obvious to anybody who have played some shooters in the past (or now) that the Odyssey mechanics are all over the place.
See, we have FPS and shooters for a very long time, and they are very popular. It's traditional to keep the core of it and expand on it. Especially when you are not a company specializing in FPS shooter like Fdev.
Instead, Fdev decided to reinvent the concept of shooters. Since they are obviously master of shooter games, thanks to their experience in tycoons, I guess. Meanwhile, they could have used games like Planetside 2, which is very close to what EDO wished to be for the shooter aspect. You have shields, triangle of combat, consumables and a variety of guns. And it's sci fi.
But instead they said "nah" and reinvented the wheels.
We have headshot in games (or weak point) to reward good aiming and skills. We don't in ED for half the opponent HP. It's incredibly bad. No shooter, not even RPG with shooter element like Fallout 3-NV-4 will do without headshots. It's a core part of any shooter.
We have a variety of weapons type in shooters so you always have a tool for the proper engagement, and according to the player "feel". I like SMG for close combat, and LMG for mid range combat. Bob's like shotgun and sniper rifle. Steve is more AR all around. Pro Tom is a 360 no scope sniper guy with a pistol sidearm. Weapons have roles and feel. The whole "switch" thing negate that. Forget using a SMG at close range, that guy have a shield. Forget using a sniper rifle at long range, the projectile takes up to 2 SECONDS travel time. Forget to use an AR at mid range, the guy have either a shield or not (whether you are using a laser or kin AR).
In planetside and games like battlefield, you have combined arms. Air, vehicles and infantry. And they all have ways to deal with each others. Grab C4, nuke a tank. grab a gun kill a dude, grab a locked on rocket launcher destroy a fighter, and so on. Got ganked by a plane and all you have is a gun ? Well, better gotta hide and run.
In EDO, who cares ? Combat triangle is only there because YOU do it, and it's "ship nuke people lol". Rocket launcher that say it's for vehicle is actually more for infantry.
Oh, and the inability to swap modules, and even have them "craft once use forever" is completely wrong in every single aspect. It's so wrong it's like the equivalent of cancer for shooter. Technically it's part of the shooter, but it's mutated cells that are harmful to the organism in general, and the best way to handle it is to destroy it before it spreads.
And finally you have the balance. The moment they announced plasma, I knew they'd rule the game. Switch guns or one gun do it all ? Guess which one is best.
I bought all the plasma guns day one. The AR is trash, the rest is best in slot. Good job Frontier ! Anybody else who played videogames that were not Elite 1984 saw that coming a mile away.
TL,DR : instead of using decades of collective experience from an incredible amount of shooters and RPG with shooter element, ED tried to "reinvent" the concept. There is no shame in copying another game for mechanics and expand upon it.
I'm so glad you love it! Let me know what else you love so I can be sure and do that to!
Even the video is gone now, so this thread is as useful as nipples on a guy.
I mean "Yamiks dropped the bomb"...
Now what?
Great. Another Yamiks video.
I’m sure he makes some valid points, but there’s not much to discuss other than “I like/dislike Yamiks”
The major problem of this DLC is that they sold you Toyota Prius for a price of Ferrari. What's even worse is that people realize that but some of them just don't want to recognize the fraud. When I witnessed the launch of EDO and how they scammed the players I realized that that could be me aswell so I just uninstalled the product. I don't support any company acting like they did so even if I had fun playing the game I just can't get over the false advertising and selling alpha product as a brand new polished DLC. And what they do .. they promise you better communication between them and consumers, their timeline etc ... but at the end you get crappy paintjobs and further silence from dev team. For me ... the game is over. And I was here from D1.
But you said he probably makes some valid points ? Does the presentation invalidate the arguments if they are sound ? Would Einstein not have been recognized if he was a swearing all the way to the end of his relativity theory ? Not saying Yamicks is Einstein, but as the old adage goes "don't judge a book by its cover".
I think his points are very valid, even if the way it's presented is not my personal choice.
My first, instinctive reaction to the title was:
"I hope he flushed and ventilated the area"
The pearl-clutching here made me watch it. If people get offended by a Yamiks video, it usually means he's spot on, and this one is no exception. Frankly, if FDev paid the guy for his insights instead of getting upset about his eloquent use of a language that isn't his first, ED would likely be a better game.
I am not an FPS player. But switching weapons to kill 1 target i found to be a horrible horrible mechanic.
In Conflic Zones i kill around 90 NPC's. For each NPC i have to switch weapons twice. Once to Kinetic, and back to Laser. That's 180 Switches in 15 minutes - i didn't find it fun at all. So it forced me to switch to Plasma Sniper Rifle - And that's it, for me there is only 1 Weapon in this whole DLC. ( well 2, i find Rocket Launcher to be fun some times too)
From one side it's great, i skip weeks of grind. On the other side it's sad, there is zero weapon diversity for me.
It is true what Yamiks said, and i came to the same conclusion early in the Odyssey game play: They Copied Space Combat with out doing much research on how it will effects players. It shows lack of interest in Elite from the Fontrier.
But the OP doesn't proffer any opinions, any analysis of the video. Just puts it up. Now if you like Yamiks - I don't mind him, but not sure I can watch 40 mins of it - you'll watch it on YouTube, those who don't will just winge about how much they don't like him.
If you're going to start a talking point you kinda have to direct the audience where you want it to go, otherwise it becomes a discussion on the lines of “I like/dislike Yamiks”.
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