Elite Dangerous Exobiology Rank Threshold Rebalance Information

[spw]

"You have not, at this moment in time, lost progression."

Seems we not only lost progression within a Rank, we also lost Ranks (and that is hidden from us) due to the new $$ scale. And from what I see in some of these post, if you continue grinding and you hit one of the new Ranks levels ($$ amount), your 'official' rank will change to a older Rank you already attained previous to U14.

 

[spw]

Not sure how you lost any rank at all. I didn't. Nobody I know did. We lost the progress we had at a given rank, but not entire ranks.

seems you will lose rank once you gain enough $$ to hit the next level in the new Rank scale. It will show you your true rank based on $$. Marvin, you seem to missed the point that the $$/Rank scale changed a lot. So pre-U14 $$ you earned drops you greatly in the new Rank scale but you won't see a change in rank until you hit the next level.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

you seem to missed the point that

Then why didn't I drop at all?

 

[Brian of Earth]

Then why didn't I drop at all?

Maybe it will drop down after you hit the next NEW progression level.

 

[spw]

Maybe it will drop down after you hit the next NEW progression level.

yes, that is the way I see it. That is what it looks like from other Commanders experience. That would be disheartening to go from Elite II to Taxonomist, eh?

 

[Marvin the Martian]

Maybe it will drop down after you hit the next NEW progression level.

sigh

I went through three in two days. The only thing I lost was the XP I had on Elite I headed to Elite II. I had about 34% and that is reset to 0. But I went through 3 levels of advancement during the period of ridiculous levels.

 

[Brian of Earth]

sigh

I went through three in two days. The only thing I lost was the XP I had on Elite I headed to Elite II. I had about 34% and that is reset to 0. But I went through 3 levels of advancement during the period of ridiculous levels.

Hmm, I dunno then. Seems like different commanders are having different experiences..

 

[vanFace]

sigh

I went through three in two days. The only thing I lost was the XP I had on Elite I headed to Elite II. I had about 34% and that is reset to 0. But I went through 3 levels of advancement during the period of ridiculous levels.

You are wrong, and you will realize that if you hand in more data. The progress will stick at zero for a long time, because you lost more than just the XP since Elite rank, you just don't see it yet.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

You are wrong, and you will realize that if you hand in more data. The progress will stick at zero for a long time, because you lost more than just the XP since Elite rank, you just don't see it yet.

Well, I already did and you're wrong. So...

Whatever.

I'm of the opinion that a lot of people saved up tons of data knowing the rewards were going up after the patch and never turned it in. So after the patch dropped they had TONS of samples they turned in and went up a lot of levels.

They are the ones that got hammered, lost levels, and are complaining.

I never did that. I turned in my data at the end of every gaming session to my carrier. I never had any "big turn ins" after the patch. So the only data I turned in was just enough to make elite because I knew ( because of common sense, of course ) that it was only a matter of time before they hit it with the nerf hammer.

So since I didn't grotesquely try to abuse the system, I was barely effected. The people crying rivers over it were the people that already had millions worth of samples before the patch ever dropped under the old values and then turned it all in at once for hundreds upon hundreds of millions of credits after the patch to game the system.

They're paying for it now and they don't like it. That's all there is to it.

All you have to do is actually read this thread. You have a guy that was a level above me that says he turned in "a couple" samples and got to Elite II and got hammered all the way back to where he came from while I was at the same level he was, turned in about 22 samples AFTER the patch that I collected AFTER the patch, got to Elite plus 34% and all I lost was the 34%.

 

[spw]

At this point it gets clear that you are lying and just white-knighting along. Have fun with that.

I seems Marvin is saying that he got his ranking during the week when using original scale with the bigger payout. So he is up to Elite I (due to the high payout with original scale). That means he has over $660,000,000 (original scale). With new scale, to get to Elite I you probably need > $4billion. So if he continues gathering... and get to, lets say $1b (which might be the next level at the new scale), he will likely drop back down to Taxonomist or lower ranking. So, if Marvin works for Rank (which I do), then I recommend he stop doing Exo so he will maintain the Elite I rank (although not real) he has, otherwise it will drop down ranks if he continues.

I can't understand how FDev is silent on this. Their post from this morning was pretty much : "it is what it is" I don't think they understand their screw up and how it impact players that drive for Rank

 

[Marvin the Martian]

he will likely drop back down to Taxonomist or lower ranking.

How is that even possible when I was at Geneticist before the patch ever dropped?

Nobody is reading anything. I was at around 30% of Geneticist (Just 70% away from Elite) when the patch dropped. I only did enough XO after the patch dropped to get to Elite. So I didn't ever do that much at all.

That's why I wasn't and never will be hammered like other people were. They were jumping up many levels. I was not. It's not rocket science to understand.

 

[spw]

How is that even possible when I was at Geneticist before the patch ever dropped?

Nobody is reading anything. I was at around 30% of Geneticist (Just 70% away from Elite) when the patch dropped. I only did enough XO after the patch dropped to get to Elite. So I didn't ever do that much at all.

That's why I wasn't and never will be hammered like other people were. They were jumping up many levels. I was not. It's not rocket science to understand.

it is all about the new scale. How many Exo $$ do you have? go look in CODEX. I have $360m.. I was 65% to Elite in the Geneticist rank. $360m in the new scale will be lucky to be a Cataloguer. Do you understand this? This has nothing to do with how many levels you jumped.. It is all about how many $$ you have earn in Exo and what the new scale it. But you are right, this is not rocket science. What is missing is FDev to tell us either you are I am wrong. Based on other commanders in these thread what I listed out fits. What you are saying does not make any sense.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

it is all about the new scale. How many Exo $$ do you have? go look in CODEX. I have $360m.. I was 65% to Elite in the Geneticist rank. $360m in the new scale will be lucky to be a Cataloguer. Do you understand this?

It doesn't work that way.

The nerf update is only retroactive to what happened AFTER the original 14 update. They're not going back and redoing everybody's rank from the very moment that Odyssey was released.

 

[Marvin the Martian]

How many Exo $$ do you have? go look in CODEX. I have $360m.. I was 65% to Elite

I don't know how you did that other than gaming the system after the patch like I said before.

Here's mine:

As I said: I have worked my way up all along. I never horded data and turned it in after the patch. That is why I was not hammered as much as others were. If all you had was 300 million, I don't even understand (other than a post patch exploit of course) how you are even remotely close to me, let alone ahead of me.

 

[Ast]

I like what ED did to exobiology rewards - increasing it in line with other in-game activities. At the current level they are not ridiculously low for the cr per hour. You still can gain much more by doing other activities. They changed the rank thresholds accordingly (I hope as I did not see the actual numbers but I would assume it will be proportional to the monetary gain). The main problem is that some (many?) people do not like this activity and consider it as a grind just to get to Elite. I did exobiology when it came out and just did one triple sample, did not like it and decided not to grind for this rank. When the numbers got multiplied, I decided to go for it, do Elite and then forget about this activity. I am not too much into Thargoid things anyway (I did one rescue and one fight missions). I got close to Elite and planned to complete it by Thursday but this change came on Wednesday and reset the rank system. I knew it would not be left like that and I find it not only fair but generous by FDev to let players keep ranks (and suit part color) they got by this situation (I would not say it is fault or glitch but rather consider it as CG - it let some players go to exobiology who would not go otherwise).
I guess all this exobio need some rework. I really like to see plants on the planets (and animals in future) but I did not like to search for these three sample thing. I would see it as following: you can collect ANY number of samples from ANY plants (to make it clear one sample considered to be a complete sample rather than must-be-three) but then the real mini-game begins at Vista Genom lab. You can then analyze the samples. Considering that exobiology is slow and patient type of activity, the mini-game should also adapt this. You can choose how many samples for each plant you want to put in the analyzer (the more samples, the less time required to complete or have higher chance to get better analysis). Then you play the mini-game - DNA matching? I think it as a logical game in Cyberpunk 2077 hacking or Fallout 4 computer terminal hacking.

 

[Griffith Fontenot]

Was wondering why my progress was zero'd out! When people were suggesting bigger payouts, I think they were hoping for less grind. Big sigh. I was thinking something about a 2x increase in payouts would be just fine by me when I heard about it. Never even considered that the ranks would be revalued as well to go with it. I got to collector for the blue suit and almost made it to Taxonomist. Was gonna try for the red suit next which is Ecologist. Perhaps go out to those far away places in the Codex while I was at it. Challenging but possible keeps people interested. Please think of this with the rebalance pass.

 

[aRJay]

I spent 4 months going from Directionless to Ecologist. It took me about 2 hours to go from Ecologist to Elite. It was flat out ridiculous how much gain you got for absolutely nothing. In fact, just 4 samples took me from Ecologist to Geneticist.

And now people are mad because it's now right back to the way it was only with higher payouts.

I am in fact correct: the only reason people are mad is because they didn't get to take advantage of a really bad mistake by FDev as much as they wanted to. You in fact just spelled that out in your post. That you didn't turn in all that data doesn't mean anything. You're still going to progress the same way. It cost you nothing. But you're mad because you think it did.

You keep misspelling some people.

While not mad I am somewhat annoyed that all the progression I had made past the Taxonomist rank that I achieved before U14 has been wiped out what is more annoying is that while I still have my rank I have to redo all the work before I get to where I was.

Now if I had actually collected and handed in more than two samples since U14 I would be less annoyed because the new prices felt like an exploit to me which is why I only did the two samples to confirm what the markup was.

 

[Hellrider]

Please think of this with the rebalance pass.

Frontier don't think about this things. They can only boost everything to absurdly high level, to be fair, at this state of game they could just remove credits and make everything for free xd

 

[Marvin the Martian]

While not mad I am somewhat annoyed that all the progression I had made past the Taxonomist rank that I achieved before U14 has been wiped out what is more annoying is that while I still have my rank I have to redo all the work before I get to where I was.

If that's the only way to fix the system then that's the only way to fix the system.

Of note is that I lost 34% of the journey to Elite II, which is roughly 5 times more than you have in your entire ranks combined.

 

[aRJay]

If that's the only way to fix the system then that's the only way to fix the system.

Of note is that I lost 34% of the journey to Elite II, which is roughly 5 times more than you have in your entire ranks combined.

True.

What would be worse is if when they setup the new rank triggers they didn’t include a flag so that we don’t get issued a new lower rank on our way back to where we were.