The Quest To Find Raxxla

[CMDRCorrMorningstarFelian]

TDW --> TDW "dark" station --> Raxxla...?

Whilst I've always harboured thought they are the link and would be cool to find the station anyway... Have I missed something? There's no confirmation in lore they found Raxxla (ED lore not FFE, etc!).

Isn't the current lore they found Soontil but never found Raxxla?

Yes, but Soontill 1 where the "Secret Base" beacon is utterly unlandable. That planet is fatal to all forms of life. Nevermind, that Thargoids can only tolerate cold temperatures (Soontill was supposed to contain tons of Thargoid loot).

Secret Base beacon:

System:	Soontill
Distance to Sol:	280.69 ly
Distance to Arrival:	18 ls
Situated:	Orbital
Body:	Soontill 1

Group:	Beacon
Beacon Type:	Tourist Beacon
Tourist Spot:	0508

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This is rumoured to be the site of the CIEP base. Some stories claim a combined Human-Thargoid project took place here.

The planet in question:
Atmospheric pressure sufficient to crush anything and hotter than most stars. But, by all means that contains Thargoid loot. Don't even get me started on the Technetium in that system that is only naturally forged in asymptotic giant branch stars (stars liked by Guardians).

From "..And Here the Wheel":

Why Garry's Reclamations is important (as in Robert Garry):

Proof of Technetium presence:

 

[Thatchinho]

Mayflower 97 is the only ship that could have made the journey especially given the Bussard Ramjet design and acceleration of 60% of lightspeed in the necessary time frame.

The Mayflower 97 couldn't have made the journey, which in the context is the key point.

If we take 60%c as the max speed of the mayflower than for Sol -> Tau Ceti -> Achenar, with instantaneous acceleration and deceleration, and no pause at Tau Ceti, the Mayflower would have needed to set off in 2012.

 

[Thatchinho]

Though, even without the technical details, Achenar is settled before the Raxxla rumors exist

We don't know this. The date in the Codex is just the earliest known written reference to Raxxla. However, the codex also makes clear that the rumour is established by that point. We don't know how long it's been established for, and it could well predate the arrival of Duval's fleet in Achenar.

 

[CMDRCorrMorningstarFelian]

The Mayflower 97 couldn't have made the journey, which in the context is the key point.

If we take 60%c as the max speed of the mayflower than for Sol -> Tau Ceti -> Achenar, with instantaneous acceleration and deceleration, and no pause at Tau Ceti, the Mayflower would have needed to set off in 2012.

You don't understand how Bussard Ramjets would have theoretically worked - year over year acceleration of 0.6 LY/year continuously. Meaning within 2 years it is going at very close to lightspeed. Braking would be a nightmare. But, hey, it is fictional. This wasn't written by physicists.

 

[Thatchinho]

Sadly, if you go by the hard science route the Bussard Ramjet was later determined to be needing a positively monstrous magnetic field to work. Just let's run with it since those papers came out after the lore for that was written. Besides, don't know how else we explain Achenar being colonized. This is fictional after all.

What's the issue with FTL travel being used by Duval's colonisation fleet? Generations ships being used for mass transit doesn't preclude a group with sufficient resources and determination attempting to make a colonisation effort via FTL.

 

[CMDRCorrMorningstarFelian]

We don't know this. The date in the Codex is just the earliest known written reference to Raxxla. However, the codex also makes clear that the rumour is established by that point. We don't know how long it's been established for, and it could well predate the arrival of Duval's fleet in Achenar.

Do you actually want me to bury you in references citing mid-23rd century colonization of Achenar, Mudlarks, and all kinds of things like the Federal response to Mudlark extinction that could not have happened otherwise? Yes, first written account - that much we agree on. However, all cited events happen BEFORE 2296 so it still needs to be considered. If Soontill is impossible, TDW found Raxxla (or really has a problem with lying unnecessarily).

Soontill was to prevent most people from looking but was an obvious cover-up if you so much as look at the details. This is why Elvira Martuuk had you fetch Soontill Relics so it would force you to think. We know who The Dark Wheel is and we interact with them. They are us.

Who do you think invited you and gave you your ship and perpetual insurance? Who runs the Federation, Empire, and Alliance? Who issued the invitation (aka permit) to their base memorializing their leader (Peter Jameson) when you become Elite? The same leader we sent off with fanfare to Colonia ushered by The Hands of the Architects (Peter's Wreck is in Facece)? The Dark Wheel did all that. The Club and The Dark Wheel are the same damned thing.

 

[CMDRCorrMorningstarFelian]

What's the issue with FTL travel being used by Duval's colonisation fleet? Generations ships being used for mass transit doesn't preclude a group with sufficient resources and determination attempting to make a colonisation effort via FTL.

Lack of access to Witchspace for starters. As such, they are bound by normal physics which forbids exceeding lightspeed. Bussard ramjets would very much operate in real-space.

 

[Thatchinho]

You don't understand how Bussard Ramjets would have theoretically worked - year over year acceleration of 0.6 LY/year continuously. Meaning within 2 years it is going at very close to lightspeed. Braking would be a nightmare. But, hey, it is fictional. This wasn't written by physicists.

Is there a source for the 0.6c per year figure? The FFE journal gives 0.6c as the Mayflower's speed, not its acceleration.

But regardless, here's some more issues with the idea it must have been the Mayflower:

• If the logic is only the Mayflower could have made the journey, then we can discount that immediately because it was a fleet that arrived at Achenar, not just a single ship.
  
  
• If it was the Mayflower, then how come where the Mayflower went after Tau Ceti isn't known? Presumably everyone who stopped at Achenar would have known fine well that they were on the Mayflower, so why would it be concealed from history?

Also, what's the logic behind the assertion that only the Mayflower could have been capable of the speeds discussed? Is there anything to suggest that drive tech on subsequent Generation Ships regressed?

 

[Thatchinho]

Lack of access to Witchspace for starters. As such, they are bound by normal physics which forbids exceeding lightspeed. Bussard ramjets would very much operate in real-space.

Why would the Achenar colonisation fleet lack access to hyperspace?

 

[CMDRCorrMorningstarFelian]

Also, what's the logic behind the assertion that only the Mayflower could have been capable of the speeds discussed? Is there anything to suggest that drive tech on subsequent Generation Ships regressed?

Thetis and all other subsequent generation ships have had their velocity calculated by Independent Raxxla Hunters and Canonn Science (or at least folks from their discord) and all calculated speeds are between 20-23% lightspeed. All the others got about 1/3 of maximum speed capable of Mayflower 97 launched in 2097.

 

[CMDRCorrMorningstarFelian]

Why would the Achenar colonisation fleet lack access to hyperspace?

No, commercial ships had it until 2800s per the GalNet "Galactic News: Hyperspace". Military and likely very rich corporations had access to hyperspace but not laypersons.

Continuing our popular series on significant episodes from human history, noted historian Sima Kalhana discusses the development of the hyperdrive.

"Hyperspace technology originated in the early 22nd Century, but it wasn't until the 2800s that consumer ships began to take advantage of it."

 

[Thatchinho]

Do you actually want me to bury you in references citing mid-23rd century colonization of Achenar, Mudlarks, and all kinds of things like the Federal response to Mudlark extinction that could not have happened otherwise? Yes, first written account - that much we agree on. However, all cited events happen BEFORE 2296 so it still needs to be considered. If Soontill is impossible, TDW found Raxxla (or really has a problem with lying unnecessarily).

Soontill was to prevent most people from looking but was an obvious cover-up if you so much as look at the details. This is why Elvira Martuuk had you fetch Soontill Relics so it would force you to think. We know who The Dark Wheel is and we interact with them. They are us.

Who do you think invited you and gave you your ship and perpetual insurance? Who runs the Federation, Empire, and Alliance? Who issued the invitation (aka permit) to their base memorializing their leader (Peter Jameson) when you become Elite? The same leader we sent off with fanfare to Colonia ushered by The Hands of the Architects (Peter's Wreck is in Facece)? The Dark Wheel did all that. The Club and The Dark Wheel are the same damned thing.

The point I was making was simply that we don't know that the Raxxla rumour originated after the colonisation of Achenar.

 

[Thatchinho]

No, commercial ships had it until 2800s per the GalNet "Galactic News: Hyperspace". Military and likely very rich corporations had access to hyperspace but not laypersons.

Someone capable of organising and funding an interstellar colonisation fleet to go to what at the time was a hugely distant system is not a layperson.

 

[CMDRCorrMorningstarFelian]

we don't know that the Raxxla rumour originated after the colonisation of Achenar.

I mean it could be Sol, but that system has been checked pretty damn thoroughly. I mean it is possible something seemed miniscule and was dismissed but I have my doubts. The more problematic part is which parts of history in Elite Dangerous are misrepresented. We have the hyperdrive technology came from Thargoids (which I have yet to see much that actually backs that assertion), we have the origins of the Coriolis buried, we have connections to Sol buried, and even if the series was indeed a series, there is also the Soontill debacle.

 

[CMDRCorrMorningstarFelian]

My personal take on what specifically is obscured would indicate something specifically linked to Hyperspace is what is trying to be hidden. Think about it, when your Fleet Carrier jumps it uploads the navigation data for some reason. I think Faraway may have been part of Talmor Lens network and is still in use by humans. Also, something majorly miniaturized our jump technology. Sidewinders and shuttles could not originally fit jump drives. I believe you the Hauler is the modern variant of the Worm Landing Craft from from the first game. Additionally, when escorting larger ships the Sidewinder used the Hyperspace rift of the larger ship to follow it similar to how we hyperspace wake scan then follow ships. This is covered in-game on the screen you purchase ships on the Sidewinder specifically.

Frameshift Drive may be a take on the literary technique called a Frame story which had its' origins in ancient Egypt.

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

Really love the education I am getting in this thread, even without finding Raxxla! o7

A number of recent lore summaries, especially relating to the fact we now have a Codex with a wealth of information, not least the Toast, have led me to look up a few things and I want to ask about something before I end up heading down the proverbial rabbit-hole:

Has there been any attempt to perform a steganographic analysis on the Codex, either in general or relating to particular articles?

Here, I am referring to the possibility that there may be information encoded into the text, or even the audio(!) of the text, that is not obvious and requires you to be specifically searching for it or to have knowledge that allows you to notice it. e.g. if you substitute H for X, you will see I have used a very simple version in this post! Some searching I can do by eye and ear but it could be time-consuming and I do not want to start using external tools for spotting hidden information.

Large amounts of information can be encoded but the more you encode in a small amount of data, the more obvious it becomes. Even so, I would hope that there is no need for 3rd party tools, unlike the Thargoid signals where images were encoded into sound files.

An example previously used in Elite Dangerous was when Drew Wagar put in hints using Greek myths, with articles containing such references needing to be collected together to derive a system name, along with the keyword 'Rebecca'. (I think this was how it was supposed to work but I know Spock Oddsocks nearly found the Zurara a year earlier than it eventually was, as he passed through the adjacent system - it could have been found by following the Reorte-Riedquat line). It was pretty obscure, not least because Rebecca was a character from his own fan fiction, whom we now know was introduced into the canon (you can hear her logs at the Zurara).

Since late 2015, when I started playing, I am not aware of any attempt at steganographic analysis of the Codex, galnet, or anything else related to ED.
We have tried various abstruse interpretations of things we have considered to be possible clues, nothing more.

 

[Jorki Rasalas]

TDW --> TDW "dark" station --> Raxxla...?

Whilst I've always harboured thought they are the link and would be cool to find the station anyway... Have I missed something? There's no confirmation in lore they found Raxxla (ED lore not FFE, etc!).

Isn't the current lore they found Soontil but never found Raxxla?

Well, come to that there’s no confirmation that TDW actually exist! And the lore about them finding Soontil but not Raxxla comes from a book, external to the game and therefore not necessarily canon.

 

[CMDRCorrMorningstarFelian]

We have tried various abstruse interpretations of things we have considered to be possible clues, nothing more.

Independent Raxxla Hunters discord has subjected sounds captured in game to spectrograph software to look for hidden things buried in the in-game audio.

 

[CMDRCorrMorningstarFelian]

Well, come to that there’s no confirmation that TDW actually exist! And the lore about them finding Soontil but not Raxxla comes from a book, external to the game and therefore not necessarily canon.

I really wish you could believe in yourself. But this isn't aimed at you specifically. It is meant for the entire Elite Dangerous community. Take chances. It is beautiful if you only trust your gut instinct that all this would not have been written for nothing only to be discarded.

Frameshift Drive may be a take on the literary technique called a Frame story which had its' origins in ancient Egypt.

 

[CMDRCorrMorningstarFelian]

If I'm not on this thing before the New Year, may good luck follow you CMDRs into 3309.