Analyzing required animals by Taxonomical group

Jeez if we can't have the red river hog without a civil war , let's wait until someone suggests another tiger
I mean I did have a hissy fit when I saw a suggestion for Eurasian wolf be suggested and gave a lengthy speech when I saw that the HBB be replaced with the European brown bear. But I didn’t expect the RRH discussion to be more controversial than those two subs. Therefore I doubt that the third sub of tiger would be as controversial as the RRH.
 
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Canines:
Nine is enough. I like the bush dog but there are so many other animals I'd want to see first.

Apes:
The lar gibbon was near the top of the pre-2023 meta-wishlist but with the siamang now in the game, a second gibbon doesn't feel like that much of a priority compared to monkeys. Don't feel like anything is needed but I wouldn't be upset about the lar gibbon.

Suids:
The red river hog is a definite must for true pigs, and while it doesn't do much for us Americans I think there's a strong case for the wild boar as well. If we get enough slots for domestics, I could also see a domestic pig fitting in well, with arguably the best candidate being the kunekune pig of New Zealand. For peccaries (which are not true pigs), I'd really like to see the Chacoan peccary--most people on this forum bring up the better-known collared peccary first, but the Chacoan is a lot more common in AZA zoos, is an endangered species with an extensive captive breeding program, and would add representation to the southern part of South America which currently has almost nothing.

Mongooses:
Nothing is necessary here, though there are a few interesting species that people have mentioned. I'd be fine with a banded mongoose as a potential alternative to meerkats if you want some variety in your African filler animals.
 
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Discussion #6: Canines, Apes, Suides, mongooses
1. Dogs:
- only Bush Dog. out of all possible canines it would have funny feature among current dog roster: water requirement and deep diving. It also barely look like dog, but rather sausage land otter so it is plus.
2. Apes:
- Lar Gibbon. at this point it just serve as a reskin, so why not?
3 Pig:
- Red River Hog seems like universally good pick. Congo Rainforest
- From peccaries i would like to see White-lipped Peccary. Great geographical distribution ranging from southern mexico up to argentina. It has also conservation value as it is listed as vulnerable, with possible change into endangered. Main funny feature about it is fact they can groups up to 300 inviduals with herds as big as 2000 being reported. Truly unique since big animals dont form such giant herds in forests.
True pig flood. Nightmare of farmers.
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4. Mongooses: nothing
 
In the talk about the red river hog, something that it'd have that the other tropical doesn't is that it will be the only animal that can live alongside gorillas. The Houston Zoo houses gorillas and red river hogs together, so that'd be a totally unique thing that the babirusa can't give, as it doesn't have an interspecies enrichment bonus
 
I personally prefer the RRH over the wild boar because I almost never use temoerste species anyway, but I'd still rank it third after the CP and WB in terms of a balanced roster.
In terms of a balanced roster. Yes I agree. In terms of essential preference by most of the people sharing their opinions here it should be rated first 🤷🏽
 
Discussion #6: Canines, Apes, Suides, mongooses
Alright I guess I'll finally join in the discussion , as usual I look at potential species on the suitability of being able to fit inside my recreations

Canines:

For one I would argue there isn't really that many canines left that are needed considered we have already the most popular canines in game already. There are only 2 that come to mind - the Bat Eared Fox and Raccoon Dog. Bush dogs and jackals will not get any love from me however any other wolves or coyote is a possibility although not needed

Apes:

Absolutely more primates whether they are apes or monkeys. Expanding the gibbons is very much welcome with both the Lar Gibbon and White Cheeked Gibbon great options to round out the apes

Suides:

All aboard the controversial train! Couldn't care less about the wild boar personally, I don't build European zoos. I always run out of options to fill suids in my large zoos so - Red River Hog , Visayan Warty Pig , Chacoan Peccary, and Kunekune pig all needed for my needs.

Mongoose:

Meerkats or mongoose? I'd rather meerkat 9 times out of 10 but there are many zoos I come across that have the Dwarf Mongoose so it would be nice to round out the collection here
 
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In the talk about the red river hog, something that it'd have that the other tropical doesn't is that it will be the only animal that can live alongside gorillas. The Houston Zoo houses gorillas and red river hogs together, so that'd be a totally unique thing that the babirusa can't give, as it doesn't have an interspecies enrichment bonus
You are aware that you can put animals that don't have interspecies bonus together right?

I made a lot of tropical africa exhibits with gorilla, bongo and okapi
 
Discussion #6: Canines, Apes, Suides, mongooses

What we have:

Canines:
  1. African wild dog
  2. Arctic fox
  3. Arctic wolf
  4. Dhole
  5. Dingo
  6. Fennec fox
  7. Maned wolf
  8. Red fox
  9. Timber wolf

Apes
  • Bornean orangutan
  • Bonobo
  • Siamang
  • Western chimpanzee
  • Western lowland gorilla

Suids
  • Common warthog
  • North sulawesi babirusa

Mongooses:
  • Meerkat

Explain what you think is still needed from the aforementioned groups, and give your reasoning as to why. Take into account that slots in the roster are not unlimited, so try to keep the discussion realistic.
Let me jump in quickly before the discussion moves to the next round...

Canines
I am personally satisfied with the canine roster we have. There are some nice-to-haves I would not complain about (Black-Backed Jackal, Bat-Eared Fox, Bush Dog), but most of the other options don't interest me that much. Also not very fond of the Raccoon Dog, but that's an opinion that might change once I learn more about the animal.

Apes
Only Gibbons are even realistically considered in this category. One more would be nice for diversity sake; most people mention the Lar Gibbon, but I also like the visual appeal of the Northern White-Cheeked Gibbon. I like the Silvery Gibbon too, but they are more of an oddball pick I guess.
Just to clarify though, there are at least three new world monkeys I'd want before another gibbon cough cough

Suids
What a heated discussion here. I guess what we can all agree on is that we need more. The one I want most is the pig-like peccary (doesn't matter much to me which one). I want the Red River Hog too for its visual appeal, the Wild Boar for its versatility and flexibility, and I'd love an oddball choice like the Visayan Warty Pig too. Ideally three more, but if we can only get two I'd pick Collared/Chacoan Peccary and Wild Boar, even though it pains me to leave the RRH out.

Mongooses
Banded Mongoose would be nice to have, but nowhere near essential. I wouldn't complain about them, but also wouldn't miss them too much if they never arrived to the game.

In short: more piggies please, the rest is nice to have more of, but not really necessary by any means.
 
You always have to had a last word. Just a couple of posts ago you asked about ending this discussion about suids. If you really think that WB and P is what’s best for the game then let it be.

Read carefully the people comments here and you’ll see that majority of them here today, before on the meta wishlist, on discord and on private YouTube channels point RRH as their primary and preferred choice for the next suid and that my friend is a fact you simply can’t deny.

The fact that you have other opinion won't change anything. If I remember correctly this thread was made to point out the most essential species of the majority of forum users and those are clearly not WB nor P.
So excuse me but in my opinion that don't make them essential if the majority doesn’t consider them essential. They may be essential for you, I also want them but definitely not before RRH so let's just not bend the reality. @yoav_r please clarify. I could really use your professional opinion as the thread owner and the decision maker.

BTW really like this thread idea and happy to read comments that arouse emotions for the very first time in a long long time here. Kudos!

Also can’t wait to discuss essential antelopes @jcp011c 😉 because my list is looooong 😉
 
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Discussion #6: Canines, Apes, Suides, mongooses

What we have:

Canines:
  1. African wild dog
  2. Arctic fox
  3. Arctic wolf
  4. Dhole
  5. Dingo
  6. Fennec fox
  7. Maned wolf
  8. Red fox
  9. Timber wolf
Apes
  • Bornean orangutan
  • Bonobo
  • Siamang
  • Western chimpanzee
  • Western lowland gorilla
Suids
  • Common warthog
  • North sulawesi babirusa
Mongooses:
  • Meerkat
Explain what you think is still needed from the aforementioned groups, and give your reasoning as to why. Take into account that slots in the roster are not unlimited, so try to keep the discussion realistic.
These are my choices, with reasoning provided:

Canids
Personally, I'm now fine with canids. A bat-eared fox would be my top choice for a new species, seeing as they are able to be kept in mixed displays with other savannah species in zoos and have even been kept in a walkthrough enclosure in a zoo in Germany, but I wouldn't want them added instead of something more unique.

Apes
The lar gibbon is probably my top choice for a new ape, but whether it is an absolute requirement is another matter. They would add a more commonly-kept species to the game and are visually very different from any other in-game primate - on consideration, I would probably err towards it being a necessary inclusion if only to add another animal that can use the brachiation equipment.

Suids and peccaries
Personally speaking, the only suid I believe is truly necessary is the red river hog. Here in the UK, they are kept in three times as many zoos as warthogs are, and are one of the most commonly-kept of the wild pigs. They are even more amenable to living in mixed enclosures than warthogs are - at least eighteen in-game species have been mixed with red river hogs. Add to their regularity in captivity the fact that they are a species of both rainforest and grassland, and you have an animal with plenty of utility in how it can be displayed.

The Eurasian wild boar, while a nice enough animal, is not necessary in my opinion. Certainly here in the UK they are more an animal of specialist farms rather than zoos, to the point where one of the few zoos that does keep them only loans them out seasonally from a wild boar farm. They do have a lot of utility with regards to habitat (although, like wolves and foxes, the standard big shaggy wild boar would look out-of-place in, say, a Southeast Asian themed area), but I do not find them important enough to warrant a guaranteed spot.
As for peccaries, I'd much rather get the Chacoan peccary to the collared - I find them much more visually interesting (with their large bodies and tiny stumpy legs), they are endangered and they represent a unique habitat in South America (that being dry forests of thorn bushes and cacti). Although again I don't think they are entirely necessary for the game to be complete.

Mongooses
I think a second mongoose would be an excellent animal - maybe not necessary, but they would allow for some flexibility when designing an African area. My top choice is the banded mongoose, essentially the savannah equivalent of the meerkat. They have a much wider range than the meerkat, are pretty widespread in zoos and have a mutualistic relationship with warthogs, where they forage in their fur and pick out ticks. Interestingly, they display the same behaviour when kept together in zoos.
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You are aware that you can put animals that don't have interspecies bonus together right?

I made a lot of tropical africa exhibits with gorilla, bongo and okapi
I know that. I do as well. But, I'm speaking from what I think a casual player will see. If they notice that an animal has an interspecies bonus, they're more likely to use those 2 together than similarly compatible species without a bonus
 
Also can’t wait to discuss essential antelopes @jcp011c 😉 because my list is looooong 😉
I'm putting on debate armor because my list is going to be very very short....as if anyone would be surprised given my comment history. :ROFLMAO:

While we're talking about the canines though, are people familiar with the Short-Eared Dog, also known as the Zorro? I think it's rather cute and would be a better pick than the Bush Dog, but it seems like it's almost too obscure. It has zero votes on the meta list which makes me feel bad for it in a way.
 
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Everybody’s entitled to have their own opinion but please Red River hog overrated and no where necessary? Give me a break. Those opinions here should also be at least a little bit realistic and red river hog is a staple zoo species that owns nr 4 most desired animals on the wishlist and we just can’t ignore this fact.

I understand that my love for African wild donkey or Chinese deer that many people find useless may seem overrated but I think that your opinion here is just unjustified and hurtful for this specific species.

I respect your opinion but don’t agree with it at the smallest point.
As you said people should have opinons. I've never seen a red river hog before and I only learnt they existed after joing the forums. Also Wild boar is cooler.
 
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