Fall DLC 2023 Speculation

nutrit

nutrit
Markiz said:
Ok so here's the shallowest amount of work.

I collected "data" from these two speculation threads:

forums.frontier.co.uk

December Dlc Discussion! New PZ in the following two weeks days?

So I wanted to summarize all the common options for a december dlc, which is expected to be announced in the next 21 days (estimated). DLC options: Supported by leak: Tropical dlc - Supported by Capybara leak South America animal dlc - Supported by Capybara leak Second aquatic dlc - Supported...
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A new update/DLC coming soon?

Is it just me or the other thread has completely disappeared and all messages removed? I'm very disappointed because many of us posted there things and we have not been involved in the "fight". Only those messages should have been removed or, maybe just close the thread, but don't delete all...
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Base for this is still DLC continuation theory, I believe authored by @missconception, may I be corrected. It's the idea that DLCs from this year fully or partially continue on the DLCs from 2021 (SEA/Tropical, Africa/Arid)

So IF this theory stands, IF, we could expect a scenery pack (or animal you never know with their schedules) that would align itself with either or both North America Animal Pack and Europe Pack. Furthermore, 2023 packs saw a couple of inclusions that were more popular in 2021 than in 2023.

That somewhat makes sense if we assume that one DLC is being worked on long before famous "three months" period. SEA, Africa, Europe and Capybara leaks somewhat confirm that. That then means that if our wishes have chance of making it into the next pack, it would be way more likely that it's the wishes from last year or year before


Before America

A bit of a longer intro I'll get straight to the point, most mentioned NA animals before NA pack that we still haven't gotten:

-Wolverine VII
-Musk Ox V
-Collared Peccary IV
-Walrus II
-Snapping Turtle II
-NA Porcupine
-Coyote (both once)

Roman numerals on side count how many times each animal was mentioned as wish or a prediction on threads, note that the precision is far from perfect

Notes about the thread:
-Noticeable presence of doom and gloom about the late support, accompanied with late announcement
-A lot of Raccoon mentioning that we didn't get in NA pack, but we got in Twillight, a year later, maybe again indicative of time between popularity of wish and it's inclusion
-A lot of NA animals correctly guessed and lot of wishes included in pack

Before Europe:

European animals we haven't got yet

-Wolverine VII
-Musk Ox V

-Wild Boar V
-Pelican II
-Marmot II
-Mouflon (from Mouflon onwards every animal mentioned once)
-Pine Marten
-Eurasian Otter
-Wisent

Bonus asian animals wished and predicted:
-Musk Deer II
-Raccoon Dog II
-Saiga II

One note from European thread:

I took liberties and copied several wishlists from @nutrit and @jcp011c that were located in first few pages of the thread. I just wanted to show you how much we got since in then, not at once, but spread out several incoming packs. That there were whole wishlists back then that we as of today have almost completed

nutrit:

Capybara - aquatic rodent, most wanted and SA
Lar gibbon - brachiation and primate
Maned wolf - unique canine high on the list and SA
Fossa - cat-like very unique mammal from Madagascar also high on the list
Red River hog - very interesting and brightly colored ungulate from the forests of Africa
*Tree kangaroo - amazing large arboreal marsupial
*Caribbean Manatee - first fully aquatic mammal and SA

Another example from jcp011c

forest pack:
Capybara
Amur Leopard
Lar Gibbon
Fossa
Three Toed Sloth
Red River Hog
Asian Small Clawed Otter

desert pack:
Prezwalski's Horse
Maned Wolf
African Crested Porcupine
*Hamadryas Baboon
Dromedary

I don't know, it's nothing special, just wanted to show in a practical example that we are being listened to, and that in time we got a lot of what we asked

So that's it, there's probably not a lot of use this post can bring, but I think it can be a nice mirror to show what can we expect in coming packs whether it be Mountains, Woodlands or something else
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I would be really happy with both NA DLC and Eurasia animal pack winter.

NA or Tundra fall DLC with:
Wolverine
Musk ox
Walrus
NA porcupine
Ex: Alligator snapping turtle
With Native and current NA architecture

Anniversary animal: NA Black bear

Eurasia or Woodlands animal pack:
Wild boar
Lion tailed macaque
Sloth bear
Golden Takin
Lowland Anoa
Pere David’s deer
Racoon dog or Pallas cat
Ex: Indian cobra

Still really hope for Oceania and SA or Amazon animal pack:

1.
Tasmanian devil
Kiwi
Tree kangaroo
Echidna
WE: Common spotted cuscus
Polinesian and New Guinea native architecture

2.
Peccary
Ocelot
Howler monkey
Mara
Rhea
Spectacled bear
Coati
WE: Golden lion tamarin

It’s really funny how my most wanted species completly changed over the time.

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Markiz

Markiz
Sequel to the schizophrenic calculations

After taking a look at the previous speculations I turned to META wishlist and to Nexus

Like speculations, not too great of a indicator, but maybe can tie break some of the picks

Another thing, I gave up on Europe, I don't see a pack where Europe gets majority of picks, especially in this stage of development. Marmot and oddball Chamois, let's say, pick for some Mountain pack is most I can give it

Here's sample from top 25 from Meta Wishlist in descending order, first from NA animals and then for general Mountain fauna:

NA in 25:
-Wolverine
-Walrus
-Musk Ox

Out of 25 NA:
-Sea Otter, Roosevelt Elk, Snapping Turtle, Black Bear, Collared Peccary all appear at around 30-40 place range, (Addax-Rhino range)

Mountains in 25:
-Wolverine
-Takin
-Markhor
-Spectacled Bear
-Gelada

It's rare for us to get pack full of top META picks, (not that it didn't happen, just that it's rare) while 2-3 is somewhat of a average

So I guess first thing to be mindful of: We can count on 2 (worst case scenario) picks out of those 5, which would go against many wishlists

Next is Nexus, nothing too reliable, but I think we should take a look anyway at what people are downloading, as in what people are missing in their games.

I went for Most popular of all time, and 20 downloads per page, because I guess that's the default. With that said I took "sample" out of first 5 pages:

General North America:

1st page:
-North American River Otter
-Rocky Mountain Elk

2nd page:
-Coyote
-American Black Bear

3rd page:
-Bighorn Sheep
-Black Footed Ferret

4th page:
-White Tailed Deer
-Musk Ox

5th page:
-Opossum
-North American Porcupine
-Roosevelt Elk

Non-NA Mountain animals in first 5 pages:
-Spectacled Bear 3rd
-Pallas Cat 3rd
-Markhor 4th

I guess second thing to keep in mind is that subspecies of Elk appear around 40 place on Meta Wishlist and twice in first 5 nexus pages, so you know keep the future "Lecwe, Wildebeest, Dama" ungulate pick in the back of your mind.

Another Note is that one animal, aside from Wolverine, that constantly appears both in 2021 speculations, META and Nexus is Musk Ox (Even more so than Wolverine, because Wolverine doesn't appear in Nexus first 5).

But as of now Musk Ox doesn't allign well with neither Mountains nor Woodlands packs.

Notes regarding Nexus picks:

Here are animals that appear in Arid animal pack on first 5 pages on Nexus. Just to put everything in perspective:

-Wild Ass first page
-Dromedary 2nd
-Addax 5th

Also African Pack is on 1st page containing three ungulates from above, Black Rhino and Dama Gazelle, but I don't think that's as fair comparison to make
 
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jcp011c

jcp011c
One thing stands out, it's a fairly likely chance that the Fall pack may be something cooler-temperature related, and if not fall, definitely Winter. The can span from Temperate-Taiga-Tundra and incorporate highlands and woodlands as well. Definitely think one of the two remaining packs will feature this theme.

Likely candidates for inclusion are probably the Tasmanian Devil and Wolverine. Though I have my own personal wants, I should only be so lucky if we got them lol. But I think if we start with those two animals are probable inclusions and go from there with the remaining 2-5 habitat animals we can make some reasonable guesses.
 

Old Country

Old Country
yoav_r said:
I don't understand people wanting the coyote. It'a a canine barely distinguishable from the wolf with no conservation value that is rarely kept in zoos, and even then usually bad roadside zoos
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Zoos with Coyotes
  • Akron Zoo
  • The Living Desert Zoo
  • Sonora Desert Museum and Zoo
  • Phoenix Zoo
  • Fort Worth Zoo
  • Oakland Zoo
  • Minnesota Zoo
  • Queens Zoo
  • Cameron Park Zoo
  • Chattanooga Zoo
  • Orange County Zoo
  • Sequoia Park Zoo
  • Dakota Zoo
  • Buttonwood Park Zoo
  • Cosley Zoo
  • Alaska Zoo
  • Oklahoma City Zoo
  • erson Park Zoo
  • Naples Florida Zoo
  • Buttonwood Park Zoo

Just to name a few here that aren't roadside
 

Khaidu

Khaidu
yoav_r said:
I don't understand people wanting the coyote. It'a a canine barely distinguishable from the wolf with no conservation value that is rarely kept in zoos, and even then usually bad roadside zoos
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Same argument can be used for people wanting more bears.

Tbh there is nothing wrong with having more varieties of species, and we should not discredit uncommon or rare species in zoos just because they are not in every zoo. For example some animals will only exist in their respective country zoo because of conservation and exportation restrictions. (the platypus - successful breeding started in 1998 and therefore opened the possibility for exportation, however only to zoos that could meet a very strict criteria, which is why they are so rare in zoos outside of Australia) Another reason they may only exist in certain regions is because the animal cannot survive outside of a specific environment (Moose cannot exist in australian zoos because they suffer from the heat and we cannot meet their dietary requirements)

I like seeing the rare and uncommon animals coming in the game, it gives variety. I want to see more of these animals as I may never see them in my lifetime but can experience in a game. In addition it brings awareness to those rare species that don't normally get any media attention which is great.
 
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Old Country

Old Country
Khaidu said:
Same argument can be used for people wanting more bears.

Tbh there is nothing wrong with having more varieties of species, and we should not discredit uncommon or rare species in zoos just because they are not in every zoo. For example some animals will only exist in their respective country zoo because of conservation and exportation restrictions. (the platypus - successful breeding started in 1998 and therefore opened the possibility for exportation, however only to zoos that could meet a very strict criteria, which is why they are so rare in zoos outside of Australia) Another reason they may only exist in certain regions is because the animal cannot survive outside of a specific environment (Moose cannot exist in australian zoos because they suffer from the heat and we cannot meet their dietary requirements)

I like seeing the rare and uncommon animals coming in the game, it gives variety. I want to see more of these animals as I may never see them in my lifetime but can experience in a game. In addition it brings awareness to those rare species that don't normally get any media attention which is great.
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Exactly this. If you look through the AZA facilities, you'll notice American Black Bears, Bobcats and North American River Otters are found in like 80-90% of the zoos here in the States. But you'd be hard pressed to find them outside the states. Animals shouldn't be dismissed because they aren't found all over the world. Sometimes what's extremely common in one country or continent isn't common in another. Like just because here in the states we don't have many wombats doesn't mean they weren't essential for Australian players. Also Goodfellows Tree Kangaroos. I'm not sure we have any here in the states. I believe we only have Matschie's, but that doesn't make the Goodfellow's any less essential for everyone else around the world, so I understand why people want it. Same goes for animals here like the Black Bear and Coyote and many others. I'm not saying we need all of the essential NA animals found in zoos here but just a few more would do wonders for us here in the states. I think the way frontier is constructing dlcs since wetlands is actually perfect. They give a few highly requested animals, some middle of the road and some oddballs. It provides a little bit of everything.
 

Villanelle

Villanelle
Markiz said:
Ok so here's the shallowest amount of work.

I collected "data" from these two speculation threads:

forums.frontier.co.uk

December Dlc Discussion! New PZ in the following two weeks days?

So I wanted to summarize all the common options for a december dlc, which is expected to be announced in the next 21 days (estimated). DLC options: Supported by leak: Tropical dlc - Supported by Capybara leak South America animal dlc - Supported by Capybara leak Second aquatic dlc - Supported...
forums.frontier.co.uk forums.frontier.co.uk

forums.frontier.co.uk

A new update/DLC coming soon?

Is it just me or the other thread has completely disappeared and all messages removed? I'm very disappointed because many of us posted there things and we have not been involved in the "fight". Only those messages should have been removed or, maybe just close the thread, but don't delete all...
forums.frontier.co.uk forums.frontier.co.uk

Base for this is still DLC continuation theory, I believe authored by @missconception, may I be corrected. It's the idea that DLCs from this year fully or partially continue on the DLCs from 2021 (SEA/Tropical, Africa/Arid)

So IF this theory stands, IF, we could expect a scenery pack (or animal you never know with their schedules) that would align itself with either or both North America Animal Pack and Europe Pack. Furthermore, 2023 packs saw a couple of inclusions that were more popular in 2021 than in 2023.

That somewhat makes sense if we assume that one DLC is being worked on long before famous "three months" period. SEA, Africa, Europe and Capybara leaks somewhat confirm that. That then means that if our wishes have chance of making it into the next pack, it would be way more likely that it's the wishes from last year or year before


Before America

A bit of a longer intro I'll get straight to the point, most mentioned NA animals before NA pack that we still haven't gotten:

-Wolverine VII
-Musk Ox V
-Collared Peccary IV
-Walrus II
-Snapping Turtle II
-NA Porcupine
-Coyote (both once)

Roman numerals on side count how many times each animal was mentioned as wish or a prediction on threads, note that the precision is far from perfect

Notes about the thread:
-Noticeable presence of doom and gloom about the late support, accompanied with late announcement
-A lot of Raccoon mentioning that we didn't get in NA pack, but we got in Twillight, a year later, maybe again indicative of time between popularity of wish and it's inclusion
-A lot of NA animals correctly guessed and lot of wishes included in pack

Before Europe:

European animals we haven't got yet

-Wolverine VII
-Musk Ox V

-Wild Boar V
-Pelican II
-Marmot II
-Mouflon (from Mouflon onwards every animal mentioned once)
-Pine Marten
-Eurasian Otter
-Wisent

Bonus asian animals wished and predicted:
-Musk Deer II
-Raccoon Dog II
-Saiga II

One note from European thread:

I took liberties and copied several wishlists from @nutrit and @jcp011c that were located in first few pages of the thread. I just wanted to show you how much we got since in then, not at once, but spread out several incoming packs. That there were whole wishlists back then that we as of today have almost completed

nutrit:

Capybara - aquatic rodent, most wanted and SA
Lar gibbon - brachiation and primate
Maned wolf - unique canine high on the list and SA
Fossa - cat-like very unique mammal from Madagascar also high on the list
Red River hog - very interesting and brightly colored ungulate from the forests of Africa
*Tree kangaroo - amazing large arboreal marsupial
*Caribbean Manatee - first fully aquatic mammal and SA

Another example from jcp011c

forest pack:
Capybara
Amur Leopard
Lar Gibbon
Fossa
Three Toed Sloth
Red River Hog
Asian Small Clawed Otter

desert pack:
Prezwalski's Horse
Maned Wolf
African Crested Porcupine
*Hamadryas Baboon
Dromedary

I don't know, it's nothing special, just wanted to show in a practical example that we are being listened to, and that in time we got a lot of what we asked

So that's it, there's probably not a lot of use this post can bring, but I think it can be a nice mirror to show what can we expect in coming packs whether it be Mountains, Woodlands or something else
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This is such great research! Props Markiz.

It makes soooo much sense that it takes about a year for them to build the animals, especially the ones that require new rigs. The first year of packs were all scenery packs, no doubt already mostly finished before the base game launched. So they'd have been starting on the 2021 packs in 2020, and it would have given them a bit of time to read the reception from the community and discover that we had a LOT of opinions 😂 and passion, mostly just beautiful passion. And a big appetite for more. But figuring out that time frame, almost 1 year to respond to community wishlists and obsessions...that is pretty significant. I feel like everyone needs to know that and appreciate that it takes that amount of time.

When you think about it, the CGI animals that you see in TV and films are some of the most expensive parts of production nowadays, think how little we got to see of Ghost (Jon Snow's wolf in GoT for those who didn't watch)? So its pretty phenomenal what they're achieving on PZ in both quality and quantity. I would love to see behind the scenes and see how much goes into each one. Maybe when they're finished with the game they could do a video about the design process....wait a minute....oh, I just checked and of course they already have :) I'll go watch that rn!
 

biggest_dreamer

biggest_dreamer
Markiz said:
When I catch some free time tonight I'll try to scrape DLC discussions, predictions and wishes that were circulating before North America and Europe DLC.

I feel like that, given recent animal inclusions in packs, could give us s o m e insight in possible future additions.

Until then here's highly unlikely Mediterranean pack

1. Dalmatian Pelican (Flagship)
2. Barbary Ape
3. Common Gennet
4. Rock Hyrax
5. Common Chameleon (E)
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Immediately upon reading “Mediterranean Pack” I expected something too niche to appeal to me but this lineup is actually incredible. Common genet is my #3 most wanted, chameleons are the only traditional exhibit I have strong feelings about, rock hyrax have been slowly creeping up the ranks and are probably top 15 if not top 10 for me now, and a unique and useful bird to top it off. The barbary macaque would be the only weak link in my eyes, but I’d let it slide since it’s a monkey, even if it’s one of the least appealing monkey options to me overall (almost nonexistent in American zoos, very visually similar to our existing macaque).
 

biggest_dreamer

biggest_dreamer
SuzieSky said:
Would people be unhappy if we got two bears in a row?

Fall: Deciduous Forest Pack: Tasmanian Devil, Wild Boar, American Black Bear, Pudu or Reeve's Muntjac or some other deer, Asian Pheasants in a WE with cabin/hunting lodge scenery, some autumn themed trees, and maybe a bit of campsite stuff?

Winter: Alpine Animal Pack: Spectacled Bear, Markhor, Takin, Hamadryas Baboon, Wolverine, Pallas's Cat, (Guanaco, marmot, chamois, or bighorn sheep) Eagle(s) in a WE

Spring (if not sooner): Amazon animal pack? Hopefully with plenty of monkeys and macaws?
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I would be absolutely ecstatic to get two bears in a row. The only downside would be if the sloth bear didn’t also make the cut.
 

jcp011c

jcp011c
Markiz said:
Ok so here's the shallowest amount of work.

I collected "data" from these two speculation threads:

forums.frontier.co.uk

December Dlc Discussion! New PZ in the following two weeks days?

So I wanted to summarize all the common options for a december dlc, which is expected to be announced in the next 21 days (estimated). DLC options: Supported by leak: Tropical dlc - Supported by Capybara leak South America animal dlc - Supported by Capybara leak Second aquatic dlc - Supported...
forums.frontier.co.uk forums.frontier.co.uk

forums.frontier.co.uk

A new update/DLC coming soon?

Is it just me or the other thread has completely disappeared and all messages removed? I'm very disappointed because many of us posted there things and we have not been involved in the "fight". Only those messages should have been removed or, maybe just close the thread, but don't delete all...
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Looking back at that pack suggestions of mine, it really is quite thrilling how far we've come, at least mammal wise. While I really do truly still have three specific mammals I want, back two years or even one year ago I never would have really thought we'd advance so far in mammal selection that I'm literally just really hoping/waiting for those three and if we got no other mammals but new world monkeys I'd be okay with it. So I'm thrilled that over all, for me anyways, so much has been covered.

My temperate/taiga focused zoos are mostly the only zoos that I feel like I'm missing key mammals for, as all three of those mammals could fit that theme. Yes, of course, if we get the Wolverine/Tasmanian Devil/Spectacled Bear I'll still have a most wanted, but getting a Tree Kangaroo and Bat Eared Fox on top of my mammals list and never actually getting them? I'd be okay with that. I have enough animals to build a decent North American, European and South American zoo (even lack of monkeys aside, we do have quite a few species). My Oceanian focused zoo really does feel incompletely without both a Tasmanian Devil and a Kiwi, but it's so much better than what we had at launch.

I'm really trying hard to remember to say "mammals" instead of "animals" because I'm like...90% there with what I'd really really like to see, mammal wise. I can make a list and would love to get everything on the list, but would I have ever thought I'd be putting some of those animals so high up in that list, i.e., that they would be the priority mammals for me? No, not at all and so I'm fine if we do never get most of them.

But just because I feel like the mammal representation is fantastic, I can't say the same about animals in general, since we're so lacking on birds. My dream? Ideally I'd love for the two DLC we get this year be a Temperate/Woodlands type Scenery pack and the first ever Expansion pack, featuring 20-25 birds. Mostly exhibit but a handful of habitat birds.

I made a thread about creating the rest of this year's packs as if they were the last packs. In the second pack, instead of an expansion I put in a finale round up back that was heavy on New World Monkeys and a couple of Asian Antelopes, since we're severely/completely lacking in those. And I wouldn't want to give up that pack idea completely, but I'd gladly trade it out for an Avian pack. Heck, I think I'd trade out the Temperate pack too probably...though I'm not sure. To be clear I'd really hope those monkeys and Asian Antelopes could show up in a pack for next year so I wouldn't want them not to make it in completely, but if it came down to it....I think I'd still have to choose birds. Sorry, it's the one area Frontier's not getting major kudos from me on, even if over all they've done a fantastic job.
 

biggest_dreamer

biggest_dreamer
yoav_r said:
I don't understand people wanting the coyote. It'a a canine barely distinguishable from the wolf with no conservation value that is rarely kept in zoos, and even then usually bad roadside zoos
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It’s my local canine, and it’s at least regionally fairly common in zoos, particularly those that do rescues. Wolves aren’t found in the majority of the US and Mexico while coyotes are - it’s natural that the two species would take on a different presence in zoos here. It’s not a perfect comparison, but I don’t think it’s entirely dissimilar from people wanting the Eurasian brown bear. No argument against the similarity to the wolf or lack of conservation value, those are fair points. I just appreciate getting truly local fauna, a category that as of right now encompasses just the raccoon, beaver, skunk, red fox, armadillo, and I guess I’ll give the alligator a pass too. It’s certainly not the worst-represented area or anything, and I don’t consider the coyote a huge priority, but I’d still be stoked if we got it.
 
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SuzieSky

SuzieSky
biggest_dreamer said:
I would be absolutely ecstatic to get two bears in a row. The only downside would be if the sloth bear didn’t also make the cut.
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In, my head, I imagine it would be saved for an India Animal pack with a monkey, antelope, cobra, hopefully fishing cat, and some other cool stuff. I want all the species and would accept the Eurasian Brown Bear. For me however, the Spectacled and ABB definitely have priority.
 
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