Winter 2023 DLC Speculation

I'd love yaks, would be another domestic and one step closer to making a Children's zoo lol.

Since ungulates are the discussion, what is your most wanted ungulate species per continent?

Europe: Wild Boar
North America: Musk Ox
Asia: Reeves's Muntjac or Blackbuck
Africa: Aoudad, Dik-Dik, Impala, or Grevy's Zebra
South America: Guanaco or Vicuna

Both Americas would have been different last week, thanks again for the peccary lol.
For Europe I agree the wild boar is good but honestly I don't care about it all that much, the peccary is the only suid left that I really needed.
North America: Musk ox indeed
Asia: Reeve's muntjac definitely but also Markhor, Blackbuck and Takin. Even the yak...
Africa: Kirk's dikdik and giant eland
South America: there are no south american ungulates left that I care about, non-extinct ones that is! :p
Oceania: Oceania literally has no native ungulates why would people ask for any from here .-.
 
I can totally understand your point and you of course have the right to express it. This being said, I think most of the players here just want a fair representation of each continent/ragion based on their size and their biodiversity. And of course one day the game will come to an end so it's fair to root for regions which have been neglected recently.

At this point, I agree with a lot of people here. The 3 regions I'm expecting to have more animals for are South America, Asia (India/Western China) and Arctic. I know biodiversity in arctic is very low but we do need more than 5-6 animals and some of the most requested animals correspond to this region.
Yes, I understand that people from different places want to get animals that are common in their area or that they think they should get. But like you said, there will come a time when updates to the game will end. Until then, if there is a way to measure whether the species in each area is "complete", there is no doubt that using the real world as a reference is the best way. I support Oceania getting tree kangaroos and echidnas, I support Europe getting European bison and wild boars, I also support the Arctic getting musk oxen, walruses and sea otters, and I even support Africa getting eland and secretary birds. Of course, I also support South America getting spectacled bears, some monkeys, and other iconic animals. But as I have always said, Africa has the most abundant antelopes in the real world. It is reasonable to have so many African antelopes in the game, but the lack of Asian ungulates, especially deer and some ungulates that live in the mountains, It's really a problem that needs to be solved urgently.
 
So yesterday everyone was in agreement that Asian ungulates were in dire need of attention but today we are back to arguing about south america and oceania.

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I saw the question of what our minimum array of asian ungulates looks like and i wanted to give my piece but extending this to everywhere else cause hot take, besides asia we need maybe 5 new ungulates tops.

So starting outside of asia we got the barbary sheep for africa, the southern pudu for south america and the white tailed deer for all of the americas.
We allways talk about how africa is only lacking in primates and birds but thats not entirly true. Another thing that africa is lacking are dedicated mountain and cliff dwellers, some rock climbers. The easiest to add and most common representative of those would be the barbary sheep and id even go so far that the trinity of barbary sheep, gelada and rock hyrax completly fill out this rather empty niche to a satisfying amount.
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The southern pudu on the other hand represent he very unique temperate rainforest west of the andes in the southern tip of south america. Besides the cougar its the only animal that makes for a good habitat animal from there and isnt absent from zoos, while also being an endemic and together with the andean cat the arguably most charismatic species from there. They would also fill the small ungulate niche for both south america and the game, following in the peccarys foodsteps and likly being one of the by far most usefull ungulates left to add.
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The white tailed deer might look puzzling but while na players allways preach the black bear, i gotta say north america really does not have a generic ungulate does it?
The white tailed is perhaps north americas most iconic deer with a large range across many different biomes from mountains and temperate forests in the north through deserts, tropical rainforest and savannahs in the south, it truly is the most versatile of all deer species.
Its also the only NA deer thats slowly growing a foodhold in the EAZA with 5 zoos keeping them and 2 of them aquiering theres in the last 5 years.
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Now for asia, there are 3 big holes:
  • Indian grassland
  • himalayan slopes
  • east asian anything

Granting each of them 2 new ungulates not just seems fair but also seems nessecarry to also round out the 3 missing groups, antelopes, caprines and cervids
Starting with the grassland, here we have our two ungulates, the black buck and the nilgai.
The blackbuck fills in our generic antelope role while looking very distinct with its funky horns and black colorration.
Not the most exciting animals but thats kind of the point as what asia really is missing are simple filler ungulates so something basic like the black buck fits perfectly.
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The nilgai is not just the largest antelope in asia but also would be in the game, while also looking like nothing else and being significant to indian culture, making it the more interesting standalone animal while also being very usefull for asian mixed enclosures to fill the larger size group.
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For the himalaya we got the two obvious ones, a takin and a goat.
There are many reasons to like the takin, but mine is more structural. We are currently missing substance for himalayan areas with pretty much just the snow leopard as highlight animal and the red panda as small buddy, aswell as theoretically 2 bears and the wolf, making for lots of large carnivores but literally not a single ungulate/prey item.
The takin will fill the ungulate main attraction slot, giving a second strong headliner besides the snow leopard for himalayan areas while looking like a fairytail creature.
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I mentioned prey item above and it only feels right to include one of the snowleopards main prey, the himalayan thar. Its the visually by far most interesting goat from asia with its large golden mane on the males while also being basic enough for simple filler habitats.
The main reason i picked it over the markhor besides personally finding it much more visually appealing is that i 1. havent played zoo tycoon 2 and therefor am not heavily biased and 2. it doesnt look like just a cooler ibex. With only so little goats in the game the least we can do is introduce a bit of color variation to them and the markhor mostly just looks like a paler, larger ibex with longer horns and a longer beard. Not a bad animal but imo among the by far most overhyped.
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Tackling east asia, we got the weird and the small deer.
The reevees muntjac is the third smalles deer, only beaten by the two pudus, and is the muntjac by far most common in zoos, as it is the only muntjac held in significant numbers while also being held in 186 EAZA zoos. Its small, common and looks very distinct, making it a great candidate to flesh out not just asia but ungulates overall.
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Lastly we got the peres david deer, which just looks a bit goofy, which is in its favor as it makes it look rather distinct. They are classified as extinct in the wild and have one of the oldest and most significant conservation storys and also are a semi aquatic, making them also in gameplay very unique from other deer.
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And those are my takes, 6 more ungulates for asia might sound greedy, but really wishing for 9 more non domestic ungulates in general seems reasonable if we assume that the game will go on for another year with us getting roughly 5-9 ungulates per year.
 
I saw the question of what our minimum array of asian ungulates looks like and i wanted to give my piece but extending this to everywhere else cause hot take, besides asia we need maybe 5 new ungulates tops.

So starting outside of asia we got the barbary sheep for africa, the southern pudu for south america and the white tailed deer for all of the americas.
We allways talk about how africa is only lacking in primates and birds but thats not entirly true. Another thing that africa is lacking are dedicated mountain and cliff dwellers, some rock climbers. The easiest to add and most common representative of those would be the barbary sheep and id even go so far that the trinity of barbary sheep, gelada and rock hyrax completly fill out this rather empty niche to a satisfying amount.
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The southern pudu on the other hand represent he very unique temperate rainforest west of the andes in the southern tip of south america. Besides the cougar its the only animal that makes for a good habitat animal from there and isnt absent from zoos, while also being an endemic and together with the andean cat the arguably most charismatic species from there. They would also fill the small ungulate niche for both south america and the game, following in the peccarys foodsteps and likly being one of the by far most usefull ungulates left to add.
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The white tailed deer might look puzzling but while na players allways preach the black bear, i gotta say north america really does not have a generic ungulate does it?
The white tailed is perhaps north americas most iconic deer with a large range across many different biomes from mountains and temperate forests in the north through deserts, tropical rainforest and savannahs in the south, it truly is the most versatile of all deer species.
Its also the only NA deer thats slowly growing a foodhold in the EAZA with 5 zoos keeping them and 2 of them aquiering theres in the last 5 years.
View attachment 373457

Now for asia, there are 3 big holes:
  • Indian grassland
  • himalayan slopes
  • east asian anything

Granting each of them 2 new ungulates not just seems fair but also seems nessecarry to also round out the 3 missing groups, antelopes, caprines and cervids
Starting with the grassland, here we have our two ungulates, the black buck and the nilgai.
The blackbuck fills in our generic antelope role while looking very distinct with its funky horns and black colorration.
Not the most exciting animals but thats kind of the point as what asia really is missing are simple filler ungulates so something basic like the black buck fits perfectly.
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The nilgai is not just the largest antelope in asia but also would be in the game, while also looking like nothing else and being significant to indian culture, making it the more interesting standalone animal while also being very usefull for asian mixed enclosures to fill the larger size group.
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For the himalaya we got the two obvious ones, a takin and a goat.
There are many reasons to like the takin, but mine is more structural. We are currently missing substance for himalayan areas with pretty much just the snow leopard as highlight animal and the red panda as small buddy, aswell as theoretically 2 bears and the wolf, making for lots of large carnivores but literally not a single ungulate/prey item.
The takin will fill the ungulate main attraction slot, giving a second strong headliner besides the snow leopard for himalayan areas while looking like a fairytail creature.
View attachment 373462

I mentioned prey item above and it only feels right to include one of the snowleopards main prey, the himalayan thar. Its the visually by far most interesting goat from asia with its large golden mane on the males while also being basic enough for simple filler habitats.
The main reason i picked it over the markhor besides personally finding it much more visually appealing is that i 1. havent played zoo tycoon 2 and therefor am not heavily biased and 2. it doesnt look like just a cooler ibex. With only so little goats in the game the least we can do is introduce a bit of color variation to them and the markhor mostly just looks like a paler, larger ibex with longer horns and a longer beard. Not a bad animal but imo among the by far most overhyped.
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Tackling east asia, we got the weird and the small deer.
The reevees muntjac is the third smalles deer, only beaten by the two pudus, and is the muntjac by far most common in zoos, as it is the only muntjac held in significant numbers while also being held in 186 EAZA zoos. Its small, common and looks very distinct, making it a great candidate to flesh out not just asia but ungulates overall.
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Lastly we got the peres david deer, which just looks a bit goofy, which is in its favor as it makes it look rather distinct. They are classified as extinct in the wild and have one of the oldest and most significant conservation storys and also are a semi aquatic, making them also in gameplay very unique from other deer.
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And those are my takes, 6 more ungulates for asia might sound greedy, but really wishing for 9 more non domestic ungulates in general seems reasonable if we assume that the game will go on for another year with us getting roughly 5-9 ungulates per year.
I agree with you, the only difference is that if the muntjak represents tropical Asia and the PD deer represent temperate zones, then we are missing a cold climate Asian deer, which could be a roe deer, a white-lipped deer or a Siberian musk deer.Of course, we don’t have to get it all in one package.
 
I agree with you, the only difference is that if the muntjak represents tropical Asia and the PD deer represent temperate zones, then we are missing a cold climate Asian deer, which could be a roe deer, a white-lipped deer or a Siberian musk deer.Of course, we don’t have to get it all in one package.
ever heard of the moose, reindeer and red deer before?
Northern eurasia is more then fine in its representation and while i personally wouldnt mind the roe or the musk deer saying that they are needed really is overblowing it.
The only one actually needed for that area which i also forgor cause im stupid is the wild boar
 
Canines, felines, and African antelopes...



Ok, seriously, I'd say:

  • Habitat reptiles that AREN'T crocs - tegus, monitors, and tortoises. Basically, 1 tortoise (African spurred), 1 tegu (Argentine black-and-white), and 1 monitor (perentie)
  • Cattle - gaur, yak, wisent, banteng, ankole-watusi
  • Caprids - mountain goat, auodad, bighorn sheep, musk ox
You can never have too much Felines or African antelopes. Personal opinion 😃
 
ever heard of the moose, reindeer and red deer before?
Northern eurasia is more then fine in its representation and while i personally wouldnt mind the roe or the musk deer saying that they are needed really is overblowing it.
The only one actually needed for that area which i also forgor cause im stupid is the wild boar
Dude, if the condition is limited to Asia, it is obviously not enough, the moose and reindeer in the game are found elsewhere, and red deer... MMHHHMMM... European red deer and elk are not the same thing.
 
As for my opinion on the Asia needs more animals (and I’m not writing a bunch cause tbh I'm kinda over this debate)

Oceania isn’t a continent that you can compare Asia to, we have all the keystone species of Australia so Oceania is good, South America yeah that one’s pretty bad for the lack of roster.

Does SA need more of an upgrade over Asia? Sure. Can we cover two continents in the same pack? Yeah, that’s kinda the whole point of animal packs lol.

I’m really not sure what the whole point of this debate was, animal packs can cover several biomes, we can get a European animal, a couple Asian caprines, and a SA animal in the same pack and all the continents benefit.

Every continent except for NA and Oceania (black bear lovers can fight me on this) have gaps, but it’s not wrong to want those gaps filled at certain times because of the DLC we expect. In the spring we’re probably gonna be expecting SA stuff so that’ll be everyone’s main focus, but now everyone’s mostly talking about colder animals, and Asia can benefit from it.

Huh, I guess I did write a lot 😅
 
I don’t have anything against more deer but there are definitely animals I’d rather have. I definitely wouldn’t say there essential. Here in the States deer are not particularly common in zoos. I would think most deer species atp are the odd man out. We may get one or two more but in terms of Asia and being a game with limited slots let’s be honest the markhor, black buck, and takin are much more likely to get a roster spot.
 
I don’t have anything against more deer but there are definitely animals I’d rather have. I definitely wouldn’t say there essential. Here in the States deer are not particularly common in zoos. I would think most deer species atp are the odd man out. We may get one or two more but in terms of Asia and being a game with limited slots let’s be honest the markhor, black buck, and takin are much more likely to get a roster spot.
Anyway, I think this reinforces my point that the popularity of an animal is related to whether people can see the animal, and that everyone is influenced by the zoo where they live. Unlike in the United States, deer are very common in zoos in China, Japan, India, and many other Asian countries, especially in China, India, and Southeast Asia, where it is common for a zoo to have at least three species of deer. The zoo in my city had seven species of deer, and at one point it had nine. I also believe that in other Asian countries, such as India, Malaysia, Thailand and other countries,Sambar , chital,Barasinga,hog deer, Eld's deer are very common in zoos.
It's okay because we can't choose where we're born, as long as we try to understand each other, just like I understand the love some players have for ABB to a certain extent.
 
I don’t have anything against more deer but there are definitely animals I’d rather have. I definitely wouldn’t say there essential. Here in the States deer are not particularly common in zoos. I would think most deer species atp are the odd man out. We may get one or two more but in terms of Asia and being a game with limited slots let’s be honest the markhor, black buck, and takin are much more likely to get a roster spot.
True, but it's not Planet United States Zoo, it's Planet Zoo, and should be more representative of zoos as a whole. That will lead to a mixed situation with partial realism with zoos around the world - which is a good thing IMO. FWIW I'm also in the US and haven't seen many deer in zoos at all. It doesn't negate the fact that they're in zoos across the world.
 
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