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Thargoid invasion - Next target systems?
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After having collected some more than 3000 pods on M.Taranis I thought about how to get a little more efficiency. The Titan holds about 500 pods, so why not collecting them in one run? Here's my modified Imp. Cutter with 512 tons of cargo and 16 collector limpets. A more risky build, but has proven to be suitable.
https://edsy.org/s/vk0YkHT
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I had a feeling you would proceed to try something like that! If I make a tutorial, that will be worth mentioning in its afterword.
In the meantime, I just recorded video of the 320 cargo Cutter doing one full run:
- Generally more smoothly!
- Only 34 minutes this time, almost an entire ten minutes shorter than with the 192 cargo.
- Less use of the Beam Laser, although the Sub-surface drills annoy the Titan eventually, and laser to the Titan amuses me as a means to cool the Shield recharge.
On the Periphery front it now reports 66%; obviously more is fine for carrying into next week, but equally it ought to be fine to pace things a bit if some rest is desired. I have an uneasy feeling that it is going to end up very close and having to make a very late delivery choice! I suppose delivery is correct if it comes down to the final hour, for it would be more of a disaster if those Matrix systems disappear without clearing the Control systems than only the former remaining and placing Swahku slightly out of reach for a week.
I too run a very similar cutter.. I have also tried a 25 limpet cutter with 256 and just drill like a mad man. Can usually beat the scythes. Kind of like this version better as I dont have to deal to much with the titan threat levels. Gather rate is fast.
Completing all Alerts, victories in HIPs 20890, 116360 and 19157, and in Vistnero!
A bit of care may be needed at M. Taranis with the Peripheral progress, which is on-course reliably for continuing next week, because HIP 23816 has attracted a bit of attention. The plan is still to complete one attacking system, the obvious choice being Hyades Sector GB-N b7-0, but where the former would also be fine. It will depend a bit on how the progress is looking later this evening; we would not want both completed if the Matrix systems survive, because it would make the final Matrix vulnerable prematurely!
Mostly for GXI, it would be as well to complete those M. Indra systems below, with which we can help if the target choice above leaves a bit of time.
Peripheries at 06:40 8th November 3309:
Seven systems with 70% — Taranis 11–13 Ly, 2 matrix + 1 inhabited, 1783–9437 strength
Seven systems with 58% — Indra 22–23 Ly, 1 matrix, 277–336 strength
Evictions:
HIP 23816 Control 76% — Taranis 12 Ly, 9437 strength, Peripheral system
Clean-up:
Trianguli Sector BA-A d85 Matrix 70% *71.4% — Taranis 11 Ly
Hyades Sector DQ-O b6-0 Matrix 70% *70.9% — Taranis 12 Ly
HR 1358 Matrix 58% *59.5% — Indra 22 Ly
Col 285 Sector KM-V d2-109 Control 58% — Cocijo 22 Ly, 352 strength, Peripheral system
Arietis Sector FL-X b1-0 Control 58% — Indra 23 Ly, 277 strength, Peripheral system
Arietis Sector HG-X b1-3 Control 58% — Indra 22 Ly, 327 strength, Peripheral system
Hyades Sector PI-S b4-1 Control 58% — Indra 23 Ly, 312 strength, Peripheral system
Hyades Sector NN-S b4-0 Control 58% — Indra 23 Ly, 325 strength, Peripheral system
Hyades Sector PI-S b4-2 Control 58% — Indra 22 Ly, 329 strength, Peripheral system
Ross 378 Control 58% — Indra 22 Ly, 336 strength, Peripheral system
A bit of care may be needed at M. Taranis with the Peripheral progress, which is on-course reliably for continuing next week, because HIP 23816 has attracted a bit of attention. The plan is still to complete one attacking system, the obvious choice being Hyades Sector GB-N b7-0, but where the former would also be fine. It will depend a bit on how the progress is looking later this evening; we would not want both completed if the Matrix systems survive, because it would make the final Matrix vulnerable prematurely!
Mostly for GXI, it would be as well to complete those M. Indra systems below, with which we can help if the target choice above leaves a bit of time.
Peripheries at 06:40 8th November 3309:
Seven systems with 70% — Taranis 11–13 Ly, 2 matrix + 1 inhabited, 1783–9437 strength
Seven systems with 58% — Indra 22–23 Ly, 1 matrix, 277–336 strength
Evictions:
HIP 23816 Control 76% — Taranis 12 Ly, 9437 strength, Peripheral system
Clean-up:
Trianguli Sector BA-A d85 Matrix 70% *71.4% — Taranis 11 Ly
Hyades Sector DQ-O b6-0 Matrix 70% *70.9% — Taranis 12 Ly
HR 1358 Matrix 58% *59.5% — Indra 22 Ly
Col 285 Sector KM-V d2-109 Control 58% — Cocijo 22 Ly, 352 strength, Peripheral system
Arietis Sector FL-X b1-0 Control 58% — Indra 23 Ly, 277 strength, Peripheral system
Arietis Sector HG-X b1-3 Control 58% — Indra 22 Ly, 327 strength, Peripheral system
Hyades Sector PI-S b4-1 Control 58% — Indra 23 Ly, 312 strength, Peripheral system
Hyades Sector NN-S b4-0 Control 58% — Indra 23 Ly, 325 strength, Peripheral system
Hyades Sector PI-S b4-2 Control 58% — Indra 22 Ly, 329 strength, Peripheral system
Ross 378 Control 58% — Indra 22 Ly, 336 strength, Peripheral system
Did FDEV change something around the Titans since yesterday? I have the feeling that there are much more Scythes stealing the pods...
Since 85% are reachable, do we know how much progress we get from delivering pods to the rescue ships?
Since 85% are reachable, do we know how much progress we get from delivering pods to the rescue ships?
Dark Session's tests at the start of the week suggested ~1000 pods for 1% progress
(or ~500 Orthrus kills or ~1500 spire loot)
(or ~500 Orthrus kills or ~1500 spire loot)
So the 85% cap for the periphery could theoretically be reached today/tonight, but then the spire sites will likely remain in place for the next week.
Unless a lot more progress happens in the last few hours of the cycle. I spotted IXD’s message of supporting the initiative on DCoH, but even with that, it seems a little unlikely the spires themselves will be cleared in time.
Unless a lot more progress happens in the last few hours of the cycle. I spotted IXD’s message of supporting the initiative on DCoH, but even with that, it seems a little unlikely the spires themselves will be cleared in time.
That reminded me—I have updated the the top of the thread with the higher measurements listed earlier!
If there are, one option could be to use what little power remains to bring a couple of Multi-cannons. The last time I fired upon a Scythe from the Titan surface, said Scythe actually decided to flee!
Reachable, yes—but do we actually want to deliver the cargo with the Matrix systems not completed? This is more so a question for @Ian Doncaster, and I am quite happy with whichever action seems to be best. Notably:
If there are, one option could be to use what little power remains to bring a couple of Multi-cannons. The last time I fired upon a Scythe from the Titan surface, said Scythe actually decided to flee!
Reachable, yes—but do we actually want to deliver the cargo with the Matrix systems not completed? This is more so a question for @Ian Doncaster, and I am quite happy with whichever action seems to be best. Notably:
- I thought the continuation plan was to complete only Hyades Sector GB-N b7-0, which will be done this evening if so.
- Matrix progress beyond 85% is not really needed unless to reach 100%; the Control systems will remain behind and need more progress next week. The purpose of that would be if it is via Orthrus kills or if the Pods cannot be stored, in effect allowing a bit of future harvesting to take its place.
I think @PapaDragon_I and I can deliver about 3.000 to 3.500 pods. We can do this today or - to avoid a last-hour decision - deliver them tomorrow (next cycle).
Hmm. Without delivery except GB-N b7-0:
- next week same systems are peripheral again, and doing the same again finishes them all off
- week after there's seven Controls, possibly Njorog as an invasion, and whatever Alerts it can place without its current periphery systems... can't read out in my head if that's 2 or 3.
- if it's 2 that's easy, you can push to 85%ish to clean up the Controls, then finish off the spire the next week
- if it's 3 then you end up potentially having to finish Swahku alone next time if you can't stop Njorog being invaded as well ... but that does give more time for sample collection
Delivering everything to the original plan to recapture all peripheral controls but with the spire sites unfinished (which might need some last minute work to get them over the line):
- only 2 alerts placed next week, so the periphery is "everything but Swahku"
- then you clean up this week's spires and start on the final one
- you end up in a similar position to the "3 Alert" situation above, but with more risk of losing the final spire early.
I think there's probably a way to make it work, but sorting out just GB-N b7-0 and then hitting everything else next week (which should also leave more time for other activities, given that things should end up well over 67% today) looks like the safer (and easier) plan, with no particular benefit to pushing the spires to/past 85% this week.
I'll see if it's looking like 2 or 3 Alerts next week tomorrow once there's full data available, as that will determine how much Njorog's Invasion would be a problem.
- next week same systems are peripheral again, and doing the same again finishes them all off
- week after there's seven Controls, possibly Njorog as an invasion, and whatever Alerts it can place without its current periphery systems... can't read out in my head if that's 2 or 3.
- if it's 2 that's easy, you can push to 85%ish to clean up the Controls, then finish off the spire the next week
- if it's 3 then you end up potentially having to finish Swahku alone next time if you can't stop Njorog being invaded as well ... but that does give more time for sample collection
Delivering everything to the original plan to recapture all peripheral controls but with the spire sites unfinished (which might need some last minute work to get them over the line):
- only 2 alerts placed next week, so the periphery is "everything but Swahku"
- then you clean up this week's spires and start on the final one
- you end up in a similar position to the "3 Alert" situation above, but with more risk of losing the final spire early.
I think there's probably a way to make it work, but sorting out just GB-N b7-0 and then hitting everything else next week (which should also leave more time for other activities, given that things should end up well over 67% today) looks like the safer (and easier) plan, with no particular benefit to pushing the spires to/past 85% this week.
I'll see if it's looking like 2 or 3 Alerts next week tomorrow once there's full data available, as that will determine how much Njorog's Invasion would be a problem.
Hopefully the partial Peripheral progress helps to see that Alert away, but ultimately if we need one more place in the final ten then I imagine we could descend upon Hyades Sector FB-N b7-4 and finish it normally.
Thank you! I suspected that was the case, and it had occurred to me that we could make a good start with sizeable portions of M. Leigong disappearing. To commit to a continuation rather than inviting a stressful close call, and with exceptional thanks to SNPX—
Hold them in your Carriers for now and deliver them tomorrow, if you would! I am unsure when will be the time for M. Oya, and I know you are doing a lot for M. Taranis, so please know that I am quite sure we can harvest your 18000 for Eoto when that time arrives.
As a final result, @Shayan al Nasarwa and I together have collected 3.864 Thargoid Bio-storage Capsule. We will sell them at the rescue ship as you said tomorrow after the tick.
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As a new tactic we went in there together. So two cutters in one instance. The advantages are, that the sythes can´t collect that many pods as all around 32 limpets work faster then just 16 collector limpets. What we also notice is that it seams the thargoids are focusing their efforts to collect the pods instead of shooting us.
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As a new tactic we went in there together. So two cutters in one instance. The advantages are, that the sythes can´t collect that many pods as all around 32 limpets work faster then just 16 collector limpets. What we also notice is that it seams the thargoids are focusing their efforts to collect the pods instead of shooting us.
Thank you, SNPX!
Hyades Sector GB-N b7-0 is delivered to maintain the M. Taranis periphery, and the Carrier is awaiting a jump towards those M. Indra systems. I am unsure whether GXI were going to take them and I will send out a message, but otherwise assume not and see what we can do as a bit of thanks for helping this week!
Hyades Sector GB-N b7-0 is delivered to maintain the M. Taranis periphery, and the Carrier is awaiting a jump towards those M. Indra systems. I am unsure whether GXI were going to take them and I will send out a message, but otherwise assume not and see what we can do as a bit of thanks for helping this week!
Victories in Hyades Sectors GB-N b7-0, PI-S b4-1, NN-S b4-0 and PI-S b4-2, and Ross 378! That was forty-three systems, keeping everything just ahead of the Thargoids while Commanders adjust to and act against the new Periphery strength.
M. Taranis needs two more Periphery completions, the first of which continues next week from around 50%, and for which the Periphery needs are now far greater than the individual completion needs. Due to the unpredictable nature of things Frontier decides to change, I will refer to the present state of M. Taranis as the "final twenty" to separate that from the specific week in which a completion occurs. The immediate number is closer to fifteen of course; imagine twenty as including new Alerts!
Longer-term I intend making a simple tutorial for building and using a Titan rescue vessel; I posted a video earlier, and I am making a Titan progress chart at the moment. In the meantime, spreading the word a bit could help—for Commanders who are Orthrus-slaying casually at another Maelstrom, the polite suggestion to consider M. Taranis instead! Hyades Sector DQ-O b6-0 is fine for observing when it is complete for the week, or HIP 25654 if it is preferable not to move around until everything is complete.
M. Taranis needs two more Periphery completions, the first of which continues next week from around 50%, and for which the Periphery needs are now far greater than the individual completion needs. Due to the unpredictable nature of things Frontier decides to change, I will refer to the present state of M. Taranis as the "final twenty" to separate that from the specific week in which a completion occurs. The immediate number is closer to fifteen of course; imagine twenty as including new Alerts!
Longer-term I intend making a simple tutorial for building and using a Titan rescue vessel; I posted a video earlier, and I am making a Titan progress chart at the moment. In the meantime, spreading the word a bit could help—for Commanders who are Orthrus-slaying casually at another Maelstrom, the polite suggestion to consider M. Taranis instead! Hyades Sector DQ-O b6-0 is fine for observing when it is complete for the week, or HIP 25654 if it is preferable not to move around until everything is complete.
Week 50, 9th November 3309
ReportThirty-seven Alerts repelled at Hyades Sector HW-M b7-5, HIPs 4041, 23716, 21475, 20712, 19600, 20397, 22265 and 25679, Col 285 Sectors VN-H b11-0, XT-Q c5-1, XT-Q c5-2, KW-M c7-16, WY-F b12-5, RM-B b14-0, OR-B b14-4, KW-M c7-29, JW-M c7-10, MG-E b12-0, JG-O c6-5, OB-E b12-4 and KM-V d2-69, Pegasi Sectors JH-U b3-9, RE-N a8-0, IH-U b3-8 and LC-U b3-2, Cephei Sectors WO-A b4, AV-Y b2 and BV-Y b2, Arietis Sectors KM-W c1-15, WJ-R b4-3, FG-Y d66, NX-U c2-19 and MM-V b2-1, Njorog, Nibelaako and Gliese 9035.
Ten Control evictions at Hyades Sectors KN-K b8-1, BV-O b6-4, GB-N b7-1, FB-N b7-0, KN-K b8-2 and FX-H a11-0, HIPs 23816 and 22496, and Arietis Sectors FL-X b1-0 and HG-X b1-3.
Six Matrix systems cleared at Hyades Sectors DQ-O b6-0 and ST-Q b5-5, Trianguli Sector BA-A d85, HR 1358, HIP 22350 and Arietis Sector HG-X b1-0.
Two recaptured systems starting Recovery are HIPs 23816 and 22496.
Maelstrom Leigong loses three attacks, and Taranis loses four attacks.
Targets updated at 06:30 16th November 3309
97 i Tauri Control 88% — Indra 21 Ly, 470 strength
Lei Hsini Control 84% *85.2% — Indra 21 Ly, 582 strength
Col 285 Sector KM-V d2-109 Control 36% *36.1% — Cocijo 22 Ly, empty, 534 strength, Peripheral system
Dhang Tzela Control 24% *24.1% — Thor 19 Ly, 5333 strength, Peripheral system
Pegasi Sector GW-W d1-115 Control 20% *20.5% — Raijin 23 Ly, 2346 strength
HIP 19046 Control 18% *19.3% — Thor 18 Ly, empty, 1452 strength, Peripheral system
Akbakara Control 18% — Oya 18 Ly, 7060 strength, Peripheral system
Col 285 Sector RW-D b12-3 Control 18% — Thor 18 Ly, empty, 1524 strength, Peripheral system
Col 285 Sector JA-G b11-1 Control 18% — Thor 19 Ly, empty, 1226 strength, Peripheral system
Col 285 Sector OC-V d2-58 Control 18% — Thor 18 Ly, empty, 1553 strength, Peripheral system
Col 285 Sector QB-E b12-2 Control 18% — Thor 19 Ly, empty, 1224 strength, Peripheral system
Pegasi Sector NN-S b4-3 Matrix 14% — Raijin 24 Ly, empty
HIP 13179 Control 14% — Oya 15 Ly, 12.9k strength, Peripheral system
Iceniguari Control 14% — Raijin 23 Ly, 2319 strength, Peripheral system
Pegasi Sector BQ-Y d71 Control 14% — Raijin 26 Ly, 1321 strength, Peripheral system
Pegasi Sector BQ-Y d93 Control 14% — Raijin 24 Ly, empty, 506 strength, Peripheral system
Pegasi Sector KC-U b3-0 Control 14% — Raijin 27 Ly, empty, 344 strength, Peripheral system
Pegasi Sector KC-U b3-2 Control 14% — Raijin 24 Ly, empty, 518 strength, Peripheral system
Pegasi Sector KC-U b3-3 Control 14% — Raijin 27 Ly, empty, 356 strength, Peripheral system
Pegasi Sector PE-N a8-2 Control 14% — Raijin 23 Ly, empty, 566 strength, Peripheral system
Pegasi Sector TK-L a9-5 Control 14% — Raijin 25 Ly, empty, 439 strength, Peripheral system
Sugalis Control 14% — Raijin 23 Ly, 2127 strength, Peripheral system
HIP 8525 Control 12% *13.6% — Oya 18 Ly, 7901 strength, Peripheral system
Col 285 Sector WY-F b12-1 Control 12% — Cocijo 21 Ly, 3612 strength, Peripheral system
Daruwach Control 12% — Oya 16 Ly, 12.3k strength, Peripheral system
Cephei Sector AF-A c9 Control 12% — Oya 16 Ly, empty, 2488 strength, Peripheral system
Col 285 Sector PM-B b14-1 Control 8% — Hadad 19 Ly, empty, 1266 strength, Peripheral system
Col 285 Sector TS-H b11-4 Control 8% — Cocijo 21 Ly, empty, 850 strength, Peripheral system
Col 285 Sector US-H b11-3 Control 8% — Cocijo 21 Ly, empty, 832 strength, Peripheral system
Col 285 Sector XT-Q c5-5 Control 8% — Cocijo 21 Ly, empty, 859 strength, Peripheral system
Col 285 Sector XY-F b12-5 Control 8% — Cocijo 21 Ly, empty, 895 strength, Peripheral system
Col 285 Sector VS-Z b14-3 Matrix 6% *6.6% — Hadad 24 Ly, empty
Col 285 Sector SX-Z b14-0 Matrix 6% — Hadad 19 Ly, empty
Col 285 Sector SH-B b14-6 Control 6% — Hadad 20 Ly, empty, 1175 strength, Peripheral system
Col 285 Sector WN-Z b14-1 Control 6% — Hadad 19 Ly, empty, 1448 strength, Peripheral system
HIP 32764 Control 6% — Hadad 20 Ly, empty, 998 strength, Peripheral system
Hupang Control 2% *2.4% — Taranis 9 Ly, 67.4k strength
HR 1737 Control 2% *2.2% — Taranis 9 Ly, 74k strength
Chanyaya Control 2% *2.1% — Thor 16 Ly, 12.8k strength
HIP 22524 Control 2% *2.1% — Indra 20 Ly, 4478 strength
HIP 19894 Control 2% — Thor 16 Ly, 12.6k strength
HIP 113535 Control 2% — Raijin 20 Ly, 4278 strength
Notes
Operation Deleted is ongoing; one more Periphery completion is needed next week at M. Taranis, and ~92.5% progress is stored.
The Alert report lists predicted attackers, and the Maelstrom maps show Control system connectivity.
Week 49, 2nd November 3309
ReportThirty-six Alerts repelled at Arietis Sectors LM-V b2-3, JR-V b2-1, XJ-R b4-2 and XJ-R b4-1, 58 Tauri, Col 285 Sectors OS-T d3-105, YT-F b12-6, ZT-F b12-8, SW-D b12-2, UH-C b13-2, NG-E b12-3, KA-G b11-0, KW-M c7-31, SH-B b14-5, RM-B b14-8, PM-B b14-3 and SH-B b14-2, Hyades Sectors FB-N b7-3, LX-U d2-95, MY-I b9-0 and JN-K b8-3, Pegasi Sectors DG-X c1-6 and NN-S b4-4, HIPs 2422, 11111, 20890, 19157 and 116360, Cephei Sectors AF-A c22, AF-A c21 and FB-X b1-1, Ebisu, Trianguli Sector CA-A c15, Mahlina, Nu Guang and Vistnero.
Seven Control evictions at Col 285 Sector SH-B b14-4, HIP 21918, Hyades Sectors GB-N b7-0, PI-S b4-1, NN-S b4-0 and PI-S b4-2, and Ross 378.
One recaptured system starting Recovery is HIP 21918.
Maelstrom Taranis loses one attack.
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So, it's looking pretty good for the attack so far, if this week continues well and there hasn't been a further difficulty increase
Here's the current situation
If all periphery targets are successfully recaptured, that leaves Taranis with only one Alert - HR 1737 cannot efficiently be prevented from striking Trianguli CA-A c22. This means that it's not critical to stop the Alert at Njorog moving to Invasion - but it is necessary to stop at least two of the current four, which probably isn't the difficult bit.
This is also positive for the following weeks: if it is not possible to clear Taranis entirely next week, it will only be able to place two more Alerts - at BV-O b6-3 and FB-N b7-3 - which will not be sufficient to move Swahku out of the periphery (unless only two Alerts are prevented this week and the Thargoids manage to retain both of their successes at Invasion/Control for all the next week too; even then, contingency plans are available)
Here's the current situation
If all periphery targets are successfully recaptured, that leaves Taranis with only one Alert - HR 1737 cannot efficiently be prevented from striking Trianguli CA-A c22. This means that it's not critical to stop the Alert at Njorog moving to Invasion - but it is necessary to stop at least two of the current four, which probably isn't the difficult bit.
This is also positive for the following weeks: if it is not possible to clear Taranis entirely next week, it will only be able to place two more Alerts - at BV-O b6-3 and FB-N b7-3 - which will not be sufficient to move Swahku out of the periphery (unless only two Alerts are prevented this week and the Thargoids manage to retain both of their successes at Invasion/Control for all the next week too; even then, contingency plans are available)
Shouldn't be a problem. Hyades Sector HW-M b7-5 is already done (cleared with 385 samples by CMDR Romarz). HIP 23716 is proceeding nicely with evacs and sampling and HIP 25679 (rough guess around 3000-3500 samples) is doable as well. If we get to clear Njorog (was 6800 samples before the increase, call it 7000 now, maybe a little over) that's great, if not Operation Kleenex will clear all the other Alerts and Njorog won't last more than a week in Invasion anyway.
We'll carry on clearing as many Alerts as possible so those working in Controls don't have to worry about the Thargoids getting any new Controls that way.